have we still not got a reply about bob?
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What about bob? (movie).... oh & no.FatherTed wrote:
have we still not got a reply about bob?
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A good portion of Florida's budget problem comes from declining home sale prices (or lack of sales all together). You see that in every state that had significant growth during the boom (Like CA). With home sales the state only takes money in whenever there is a sale, one time. No sales, no revenue. Unlike the county property taxes which are paid annually. Florida had a hefty surplus during the housing boom.DBBrinson1 wrote:
I got ya, and I've read some of the post where you do take a jab or two and this was no were near that caliber. I'm with K'man to a point. We don't have a state tax in Florida, we offset it with a sales tax. Down side to that is when state sales are down let's say due to no tourists (hurricanes, economy) less taxes are pumped into the state. Hence FL has a nice budget shortfall (It's in the Billions).Braddock wrote:
Unfortunately a system of specifically selecting what you want to pay tax for would be totally unworkable. But even beyond the actual concept of tax itself, many Americans feel they should be allowed to amass vast, vast amounts of wealth without limit and that any infringement on this right would be an outrage...this is often brought up by certain posters in USA vs. EU debates (as though the EU has some sort of cap on wealth!?). It just seems like pure greed to me and ironically a lot of the people who show some of the signs of this greed are the same people who support wars of 'liberation' where Iraqis who don't particularly want US help get tax payers money over fellow American citizens who could really do with the help.
I'm not directing this at you by the way DB and I don't mean to sound insulting, it's just an observation - it's also not a judgment of all Americans.
No, it wouldn't work for people picking and choosing which taxes they want to pay. I just don't think that the Government spends my money very wisely. The less I have to give them, the less they can piss away.
I'm not really for taxing the wealthy more. I don't think that because one has money (whether they worked their ass off, for it or merely inherited it), he/she should be penalized more. Obama's proposed increase on capital gain taxes would make my small portfolio fucking pointless. Sad too for I am kinda making progress to retirement. Hell, maybe I'll end up relying on the state now.....
I dunno about the claims made by others and the parallelism you seemed to notice, but remember -Several years ago it was both the D's & R's who voted to go into Iraq. Even before 9-11 (seems to be the magic date & yes I know Saddam had nothing to do with it) predominate D's were calling for the forcible removal of Saddam.
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Oh I'm good...maybe a little too good. For those that didn't catch it, this was a direct parody of Poseidon earlier in the thread. I agree with lowing almost completely here.
Oh I'm good...maybe a little too good. For those that didn't catch it, this was a direct parody of Poseidon earlier in the thread. I agree with lowing almost completely here.
How so very mature of you.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pid=2256717#p2256717
Oh I'm good...maybe a little too good. For those that didn't catch it, this was a direct parody of Poseidon earlier in the thread. I agree with lowing almost completely here.
What else could I expect.
You think I just pay for computer parts? How about COLLEGE?
Are you really that thick? I'm gonna go with yes on this one, Bob.
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So, now that we've proven this post is 100% faux and just you trying to act like a smartass, let me go into just how very wrong you are.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
How dare you lowing, being so ignorant of the ideal goals liberals hold? You only define the success of their plans by how they fiscally effect you and your family, and selfishly abuse your right to the vote by giving it to the party that has only your best interest in mind. Have you thought about the thousands of people that don't make ends meet for themselves? Who can vote for them?
No, you think that just because you have a paying job and support your family that you can only think of yourself. Well I'll have you know that I have quite the decent job for my age, and I pay for most everything in my life. My parents feed, clothe, and provide shelter for me, but I pay for all my fast food and my (hefty) computer related expenses. So think twice before you start calling me a kid, because some others of us also have a pay check and we don't mind sending maybe half the percentage you do off to the government, that's just a part of life. Hell, I wouldn't mind paying the same percentage as you, how much difference does it really make to put off building my new computer for a generation or so?
There is nothing to your American Dream crap. America needs change in any direction, it doesn't particularly matter which one, and Obama is courageous enough to provide us with hope to carry us in that other direction.
I was talking about how he, in almost all threads, whether they involve them are not, brings up liberals. Which he does. I don't care if someone votes conservative, you act like I blow up on the inside if someone votes conservatives. It's the constant HATE for liberals that I don't understand.
That's failure #1 for Flaming_Maniac.
Let's go onto paragraph number 2, shall we? I pay for my own clothes. The only thing my mother does is provide food once in a while and provide shelter because I can't do so myself. I'm paying for COLLEGE myself. Are you doing that? No, I didn't think so. So shut the fuck up. Sorry Flaming_Maniac, but it's simple that some of us do NOT mind supporting their country. I know you're too young and too naive to understand that and probably don't even have a job so it's quite easy for you to say that, but some of us don't. Neither do my friends. Some of them got 400 dollars for 4 weeks of working and they didn't mind either.
That's failure #2 for Flaming_Maniac.
I'd prefer the candidate who yes, is providing change. I'm sorry if you want 4 (perhaps 8) years of the same old republican bullshit that we've all gone through that has led this country to the state that it's currently in.
That would be failure #3 for our good ol' objective moderator, Flaming_Maniac.
Maybe once you stop mooching off mommy and daddy, you can see things objectively. Until then, I don't see it happening.
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Well, to be fair, there's an awful lot of hate for conservatives on this forum too, Poseidon.
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No, no...I realize that 100%. That's why I (atleast try to be) an independent.FEOS wrote:
Well, to be fair, there's an awful lot of hate for conservatives on this forum too, Poseidon.
It's just that in nearly every thread I've seen from him (that isn't about the whole racism-spree he was accused of a month or so back) is hating on liberals.
I know damn well that there's plenty of hate for conservatives, trust me. I see it all the time. I was just referring specifically to lowing because he's the one, of both the liberal and conservative haters, that stands out the most - and by a longshot.
I would rather give my money as a middle class citizen to the rich, who in turn will invest it into growth of a company that will provide jobs for the rest of us. Or can you tell me how many poor people you have asked for a job in your lifetime.Kmarion wrote:
I can. That is something you did not say. I was supposed to assume that you did not mean those people.lowing wrote:
Can you not see a difference between circumstances beyond your control ( being a child, being handicapped) and taking responsibility for your own shitty descisions that aided you into your shitty life. A life that, if you were so inclined you have FREEDOM and CHOICE to do change?Kmarion wrote:
Can the handicap vote? My point is both parties are guilty of this. Both in charity and pandering. As a conservative I just felt the need to point out that the neo's currently in office have done the same, if not worse.
How long are you going to ignore the FACT that this administration has given more money away in entitlements than all others? Airline bailouts, Mortgage bailouts, "stimulus checks", Bush TRIPLED aid to Africa. Your attention is very selective. That is if you truly hate paying taxes.
Why? So we can have that many more schools for kids to drop out of? Are you saying that kids are not in school because we do not have enough of them?ATG wrote:
We should invest in more schools and roads here and less guns and bombs for there.lowing wrote:
I pay my taxes as well, I also feel I pay quite enough. The argument is that I do not make sense because my money is spent overseas in other countries. This might be true, but I view it as money spent for our national security. This gives all of us the FREEDOM to succeed or FAIL as will. This more of an investment into our country than giving it away to someone who sees no need to earn it.Poseidon wrote:
...well thank you, but I already work pretty hard and have to give some of it away, and honestly I really just don't mind that much. Because I realize it's simply part of our society.
Ok, question, do you think the democrats who obviously are sooooooo concerned about peoples right to vote, would be doing this if they were not sure it was THEM that the worthless would be voting for?PureFodder wrote:
So groups are trying to get people that are allowed to vote, to vote?
DAMN THESE TRAITORS TRYING TO DESTROY DEMOCRACY WITH THEIR EVIL LIBERAL WAYS!
Allowing all the PEOPLE to VOTE should pay no part in democracy! It should be one man one vote, unless I personally don't like you for some reason in which case 'no soup vote for you!'
I dunno about where you live, but schools here are overcrowded as fuck. My school alone has close to 2000 people in it, and it's not exactly a small school.lowing wrote:
Why? So we can have that many more schools for kids to drop out of? Are you saying that kids are not in school because we do not have enough of them?ATG wrote:
We should invest in more schools and roads here and less guns and bombs for there.lowing wrote:
I pay my taxes as well, I also feel I pay quite enough. The argument is that I do not make sense because my money is spent overseas in other countries. This might be true, but I view it as money spent for our national security. This gives all of us the FREEDOM to succeed or FAIL as will. This more of an investment into our country than giving it away to someone who sees no need to earn it.
Then again long island itself has like 7 million people.
I think the rich all too often invest money for their own good, not necessarily in a trickle down manner we would wish them to. I believe the money would be better served going to the middle class, where more jobs can be created in small business than in large, more wasteful corporations.lowing wrote:
I would rather give my money as a middle class citizen to the rich, who in turn will invest it into growth of a company that will provide jobs for the rest of us. Or can you tell me how many poor people you have asked for a job in your lifetime.Kmarion wrote:
I can. That is something you did not say. I was supposed to assume that you did not mean those people.lowing wrote:
Can you not see a difference between circumstances beyond your control ( being a child, being handicapped) and taking responsibility for your own shitty descisions that aided you into your shitty life. A life that, if you were so inclined you have FREEDOM and CHOICE to do change?
How long are you going to ignore the FACT that this administration has given more money away in entitlements than all others? Airline bailouts, Mortgage bailouts, "stimulus checks", Bush TRIPLED aid to Africa. Your attention is very selective. That is if you truly hate paying taxes.
People are more likely to use money wisely when their personal paycheck depends on it.
No i was not raised in a perfect sanitized environment, irrelevent, whgat does the fact that someone grew up in a shitty home have to do with bettering yourself or your situation by doing something different or better than your parents did. I do not but these bullshit excuses that I NEED welfare for life, and the govt. to take care of me because my mommy was mean.JahManRed wrote:
Not everyone gets a good start in life Lowing.
Did you come from a family were your parents were alcoholics or drug addicts?
Maybe you didn't work for the stable government wage and lost your job when the small company your worked for went under due to the credit crunch and the bank forecloses on your house.
Maybe there is a history of mental illness in your family and you had a mental break down due to money and work pressure and ended up on the street.
No you didn't. Hence why you are going OK for yourself. Tell me, if those things above happened to you, would it be your fault? Should you not be allowed to vote for someone who promises to get you out of the gutter?
Absolutely shocking stance lowing...............even by your standards. Your credit crunch proof guaranteed (by the rest of your country paying their taxes) wage and security seams to have blinded you to the problems of the average worker who's at the whim of shifting financial trends. I thought that in these tough times you might have a bit of empathy for your fellow citizens.
I have had my share of problems in life, so yeah, I know what I am talking about.
Do some research, the ones that started all of this bullshit are the liberal democrats who bitched up a storm because losers could not get loans for homes, so they invented a way that losers could get finances and hence losers win while the rest of us LOSE.
My fellow citiens have the freedom to succeed or fail as they decide. Just like me. I reserve my sympathy for those that really and truely are in need of it, and the fucked up lazy and stupid are not on the list.
Ya know why they don't have a phone, because they were too lazy to get a fuckin' job to earn money to afford a fuckin phone. Funny how, I wasn't born with a phone either, or you I bet, and somehow we seem to have one now.ReTox wrote:
I know some homeless PEOPLE from dealings in the community. Everyone I met tries to get work but there is one thing that makes it near impossible.... and that's not having a phone.
It angers me to no end when people bash on the homeless "get a job you fucking slob!"... yeah if only they had a way to hear that an employer wants to see them. How the hell do you get a job when you have no place, no phone, no money to have washed clothing, no money to pay for the transportation to and from work, no food? You need that for any chance of getting of a stable income and getting back on your feet. Someone who wants to give people a break who truly need it would earn my vote every time.
It's not like most homeless are there by choice. Most are in circumstances that people here might be able to relate to slightly but in reality would have no fucking clue how to deal with. Go spend a week on the street and them come back in here and call the homeless "worthless" and "dead".
Astonishing ignorance.
Liberalism is kin to Communism funny you should admit that.Braddock wrote:
Sounds like you got a Communist on your hands lowing...I think you need to step up and become another one of the great American heroes like Lee Harvey Oswald, Sirhan Sirhan, James Earl Ray or John Wilkes Booth.lowing wrote:
Any wonder why the homeless would be excited to vote for a liberal? Could it have anything to do with taking more money from the EARNERS and dispersing to the Non-earners? To steal from the achievers and disperse it amongst the NON-achievers. After all, the achievers worked for their money, why should the be entitled to it? Vote for Obama and he will bring the needed "change" that will pander to the non-educated, non-ambitious and reward them for their lack of effort. Hell the liberals will even come and get you registered. Yeah I want a president popular with "African Americans" because he is "African American" ( which he isn't) regardless of the issues and popular with the worthless because he will steal more of my money for "fair" disbursement among the masses. All the right reasons to vote for a candidate.
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I don't decide, but if you are not responsibile enough to take care of yourself, why d oyou think you should have a say in who takes care of the country?Mek-Stizzle wrote:
Lowing, who are you to decide who has the right to vote and who doesn't?
Sorry, if someone is mentally handicapped they have a medical condition and are being treated for it. Lazy is not a medical condition. Actually I am pretty busy out here now but thanks for your concern.Burwhale the Avenger wrote:
I dont get it, apart from the first line in the article about the homeless man wanting to vote for Obama, there was absolutely no reference to liberal/Democrats bussing homeless people to the polling booth to vote for them. All this article referred to was a group of people encouraging the homeless to exercise thir democratic right to vote. It didnt say that they were representatives for either party, that was all lowing.
Why would anyone have a problem with allowing a group of people to exercise their right to vote. Would lowing prefer if they removed that particular freedom from the homeless. Hang on , removing peoples freedoms, isnt that what liberals do ( according to lowing). Congratulations lowing you are officially a liberal!This is where your argument falls down. You state that you support helping the handicapped, the majority of homeless are mentally handicapped, thats why they live without adequate food/shelter/health standards etc. Not something a sane person would do right!lowing wrote:
Kmarion, you know I have stated many times in many thread my agreement for helping those that help themselves or CAN NOT do so, like the handicapped or children
Personally I dont think you actually believe much of what you post. I think you are getting bored out in the desert and need some attention, even if its negative. Good luck with that. If you are bored, next time try a Suduko or something.
EASY:Braddock wrote:
A hypothetical scenario for you lowing...
A young American called Bob with a small business and a loving wife and family goes off to Iraq to serve with his National Guard unit on a year long deployment. While he's there he sees some incredibly depressing and soul destroying shit, meanwhile his business back home begins to falter because his wife can't balance her own work with the needs of the business and the needs of the family. Trouble begins to brew in Bob's relationship with his wife as a result of the stress and things only get worse as the weeks and months tick by. The bills keep coming at home as Bob's family's economic situation worsens, then one day towards the end of his tour while out on a patrol he gets caught in a roadside bombing and loses his right arm.
On his return home Bob finds a business that has all but disappeared down the toilet; plagued by nightmares and with a head full of violence and nihilism Bob's wife begins to feel she no longer knows the man she married. As the business folds and his depression continues to get worse Bob and his wife decide to part ways, the judge awarding custody of the kids to Bob's wife because of a psychiatrist's report suggesting that Bob may have signs of post traumatic stress disorder. Now living on his own and with no proper source of income Bob tries to overcome his depression and look for work that can be done by a man with only one arm, the weeks tick by with no signs of success...there isn't as much work going these days because of the economic downturn. Then one day Bob's landlord serves him with an eviction notice, Bob has to pack his bags. Fast forward a few months and Bob is not looking too good, he looks just like any other homeless person except minus one arm.
Then one day while sitting on the kerb outside a busy grocery store looking for any change that passers-by might be able to spare Bob meets a guy called lowing who throws him a look of disgust...lowing then goes home and posts two threads on a forum, one about the war on terror and how brave Americans are fighting Islamic extremism in the name of freedom and democracy and another complaining about the mentality of bleeding heart liberals who want homeless people to have the right to vote for a President who might better their situation.
He is a veteran who is both physically and mentally disabled so right there he is worthy of help and my sympathy. That should be enough to answer your post HOWEVER,
He does not have a history of social welfare.
He HAS a history of achievment in society, IE school, work, you say he owned a business.
I was left a fortune??!! My life sure woulda been simpler if someone had told me that 24 years ago.d4rkst4r wrote:
Lowing just doesn't understand some people are not born into this world with the same advantages as you. Yes thats right people, lowing expected everyone else in society to be left a huge fortune just like he was. Just because some people are having trouble financially doesn't mean we should just let them roll over and die. If I were homeless I too would vote for someone who would be willing to hand out money to homeless people. I'm not sure how you became so possessed in such a selfish idiotic way but maybe some time homeless would do you some good.
Sounds like the system failed if he is living on the street.lowing wrote:
He does not have a history of social welfare.
Maybe someone like Obama can improve it.
Often enough THEIR own good, trickles down to the OUR own good. If you do not think so then go ask a poor a guy for a job, and leave the rich alone.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
I think the rich all too often invest money for their own good, not necessarily in a trickle down manner we would wish them to. I believe the money would be better served going to the middle class, where more jobs can be created in small business than in large, more wasteful corporations.lowing wrote:
I would rather give my money as a middle class citizen to the rich, who in turn will invest it into growth of a company that will provide jobs for the rest of us. Or can you tell me how many poor people you have asked for a job in your lifetime.Kmarion wrote:
I can. That is something you did not say. I was supposed to assume that you did not mean those people.
How long are you going to ignore the FACT that this administration has given more money away in entitlements than all others? Airline bailouts, Mortgage bailouts, "stimulus checks", Bush TRIPLED aid to Africa. Your attention is very selective. That is if you truly hate paying taxes.
People are more likely to use money wisely when their personal paycheck depends on it.
Yeah and how, by making him more dependant on govt. then himself? Good thinkingTheAussieReaper wrote:
Sounds like the system failed if he is living on the street.lowing wrote:
He does not have a history of social welfare.
Maybe someone like Obama can improve it.
Haha. Sure lowing, a homeless man, with depression and post-traumatic stress syndrome, needs to rely on himself even more than the government.lowing wrote:
Yeah and how, by making him more dependant on govt. then himself? Good thinkingTheAussieReaper wrote:
Sounds like the system failed if he is living on the street.lowing wrote:
He does not have a history of social welfare.
Maybe someone like Obama can improve it.