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Lotta_Drool wrote:

usmarine wrote:

why are you and Cam so self-righteous?

do you know how much money is exchanged between Ireland and the evil US?  maybe you two should spend your time writing your government and asking them to stop doing business with the evil US.

I will answer because Braddock and Cam won't.

It is because they hate the fact that America is the big dog on the block and their country is irrelevant.  It eats them alive to know that America can look out for its interests in the world and does so unapologetically despite the whimpers of European governments.  What really pissed off Europe ( and Euro-peons) was that unlike Clinton, Bush was willing to say fuck you to Germany, Russia, and France and invaded Iraq anyway thus fucking up all their oil contracts, labor agreements, and weapon deals they had with this obviously dangerous dictator who had them all in his hip pocket.

So, like the Marine said, if you don't like it bitch to YOUR government because Bush really doesn't give a fuck what you think.

if i could fit this in my sig i would +1

I like your idea of letting russia take over the place.  Im sure the world will be happy if russia was the dominant power in the globe instead of us.

Last edited by God Save the Queen (2008-08-22 13:05:30)

bow down to nuclear umbrellas

jord wrote:

The fuck are they, you high?

I don't mind either way. Chinese is nice food, I could live off it easy.

have fun with MSG filling your bloodstream and being bloated 100% of the time

Poseidon wrote:

jord wrote:

The fuck are they, you high?

I don't mind either way. Chinese is nice food, I could live off it easy.

have fun with MSG filling your bloodstream and being bloated 100% of the time

WTF is MSG, you high?

Nothing enters my blood now, I'm a health freak. I go to the gym and work out and eat pure protein.

MAN MAN MAN

Braddock wrote:

usmarine wrote:

why are you and Cam so self-righteous?

do you know how much money is exchanged between Ireland and the evil US?  maybe you two should spend your time writing your government and asking them to stop doing business with the evil US.

Why do you feel the need to be so silent on things? It is the job of the people to give their Government a hard time and keep them on their toes, not slap them on the back and shower them with praise. That is how things are achieved and that is how standards are maintained. I thought an American of all people would appreciate that.

Thing is, there is no shortage of this in america alone. See everyone from Michael Moore to Cindy Sheehan to Noam Chomsky to Alex Jones to the ACLU...and hell, most hollywood actors. Then throw in the NYT, the New Yorker (broke the Abu Ghraib story) etc. 
I agree with you that gov't needs watchdogs in the form of the people, but let's not pretend you are some lone voice speaking out against oppression. 
I mean the story is in the guardian, a main news source for many of us who do the international news thing.

Braddock wrote:

Why don't you deal with the topic in hand instead of turning yet another debate into a "you hate America!" moan-fest? I sometimes get the impression you wish we had Soviet style censorship on this forum when it comes to all matters involving the US Government.

Maybe because the topic just seems like a setup. In the first post you fully concluded that this allegation is true "so much for the debate only being about waterboarding.." So then the rest is basically, post in and express your outrage at the slide down into evil that the USA is on and it's all good.
Or, if you express some skepticism, or withhold judgement, you're in complicity with the new Kings of Torture, aka, "unquestioning U.S. government supporting sheep"

Aint that about how these threads usually go ?

It is because they hate the fact that America is the big dog on the block and their country is irrelevant.  It eats them alive to know that America can look out for its interests in the world and does so unapologetically despite the whimpers of European governments.  What really pissed off Europe ( and Euro-peons) was that unlike Clinton, Bush was willing to say fuck you to Germany, Russia, and France and invaded Iraq anyway thus fucking up all their oil contracts, labor agreements, and weapon deals they had with this obviously dangerous dictator who had them all in his hip pocket.

Not particularly.
America is basically the cause of the problem in much of the world.
Iran - A mess thanks to US inteference which backfired spectacularly.
Iraq - A mess created as a counterweight to Iran, see above.

Please stay out of the ME, no-one wants you there, try to find a way to make a car which gets sensible mileage (hint - copy the Prius or just use diesels, they've been around 100 years)

Oh yeah and stop abducting and torturing people, it doesn't help you make friends.

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

Well I suppose that's similar to how I accused you in the Israel thread of always staunchly defending Israel's innocence until proven guilty while not putting as much effort into defending the Palestinian's innocence until proven guilty. All I can say to you is that I believe in the concept of innocent until proven guilty, even if it might seem that I do not in certain scenarios. I also believe in scrutinizing the powers that be to keep them on their toes and fully accountable and I take accusations of abuse of power very seriously.

Have you seen me defend an Israeli assassination?

Military operations don't involve "innocent until proven guilty", as the individual operations don't involve accusations of wrong-doing (the rhetoric surrounding them might, but the ops themselves do not).

You and I are generally in agreement. I just believe in equal application of the concept, regardless of which side makes the accusations.

You didn't necessarily defend Israel per se, but you seemed loathe to even entertain the idea that the Israelis could possibly have indulged in foul play in relation to the death of those UN observers. Whereas when the Palestinians are involved you will consider any possible depths of depravity in their actions.

No. I'm loathe to agree that they did absent any proof. Particularly when there are plenty of other, more rational, explanations for what happened.

When it comes to Hamas (vice Pals in general), I only go off their stated doctrine that it's perfectly acceptable to target civilians.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Israeli doctrine is also that its OK to kill civilians, providing you hit a militant now and then.

Hamas has a better ratio of military to civilian hits than the IDF, interesting considering Hamas supposedly target civilians 'nearly exclusively'.
And as noted before, the IDF kill many more children than Hamas.

Please point out where any Israeli civilian is dancing in the streets because of dead innocent people?

FEOS wrote:

Braddock wrote:

FEOS wrote:

Have you seen me defend an Israeli assassination?

Military operations don't involve "innocent until proven guilty", as the individual operations don't involve accusations of wrong-doing (the rhetoric surrounding them might, but the ops themselves do not).

You and I are generally in agreement. I just believe in equal application of the concept, regardless of which side makes the accusations.

You didn't necessarily defend Israel per se, but you seemed loathe to even entertain the idea that the Israelis could possibly have indulged in foul play in relation to the death of those UN observers. Whereas when the Palestinians are involved you will consider any possible depths of depravity in their actions.

No. I'm loathe to agree that they did absent any proof. Particularly when there are plenty of other, more rational, explanations for what happened.

When it comes to Hamas (vice Pals in general), I only go off their stated doctrine that it's perfectly acceptable to target civilians.

Well I'm no defender of Hamas but I still feel sorry for innocent Palestinians killed in attacks.

Lotta_Drool wrote:

usmarine wrote:

why are you and Cam so self-righteous?

do you know how much money is exchanged between Ireland and the evil US?  maybe you two should spend your time writing your government and asking them to stop doing business with the evil US.

I will answer because Braddock and Cam won't.

It is because they hate the fact that America is the big dog on the block and their country is irrelevant.  It eats them alive to know that America can look out for its interests in the world and does so unapologetically despite the whimpers of European governments.  What really pissed off Europe ( and Euro-peons) was that unlike Clinton, Bush was willing to say fuck you to Germany, Russia, and France and invaded Iraq anyway thus fucking up all their oil contracts, labor agreements, and weapon deals they had with this obviously dangerous dictator who had them all in his hip pocket.

So, like the Marine said, if you don't like it bitch to YOUR government because Bush really doesn't give a fuck what you think.

Lotta_Drool, the man who knows everything.

It may surprise you Lotta but I like America, New York is one of the most impressive cities I've ever visited. Many of my favourite movies and directors are American as are many of my favourite bands and musicians. I have American friends and get along with them very well thank you very much. What your opinion exemplifies is that many Americans (not all) find it far easier to play the anti-American card than to cast a serious eye over the affairs of the country they claim to love so much.

God Save the Queen wrote:

I hate NY

aye.  shat hole

Dilbert_X wrote:

Israeli doctrine is also that its OK to kill civilians, providing you hit a militant now and then.

Hamas has a better ratio of military to civilian hits than the IDF, interesting considering Hamas supposedly target civilians 'nearly exclusively'.
And as noted before, the IDF kill many more children than Hamas.

This isn't a fucking game where you keep track of KDR.

Israeli doctrine is nothing even close to that. In fact, their doctrine is the opposite of it. Perhaps you should bother yourself to research a topic a bit before you make a claim that's a bare-assed lie.