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2008-08-29 13:12:14

mikkel: Member; +383|6869

kylef wrote:
mikkel wrote:
kylef wrote:
Funny how when it is a PC everyone says "awesome" but when it is a mac people say "crap"
People say that the MacBook Air is crap because it's expensive and has very few connectivity options.

People say that this is awesome because it'll likely be comparatively inexpensive, and it'll have very decent connectivity options.

Not really as much "funny" as it is logical.
Very few connectivity options? I don't follow ...

I need to use my USB 3G HSDPA modem and a USB flash drive at the same time. What do I do?

kylef wrote:
also, the price hasn't been released for the Samsung

Hence me saying "likely."

kylef wrote:
and new Airs are likely to arrive in September

So what you're telling me is that products get better with time?! As mind blowing as that is, it does nothing for the existing MacBook Air, which is what people are criticising.

2008-08-29 13:13:43

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6917

Plus I'm sure had Pope Jobs thought multiple USB ports was a good idea, he'd have just stuck them in the first time around. It's hardly ground breaking technology.

2008-08-29 13:14:29

kylef: Gone; +1,352|6761|N. Ireland

And yet you are praising a laptop that hasn't been released??

2008-08-29 13:14:43

N00bkilla55404: Voices are calling...; +136|6199|Somewhere out in Space

Sigh...how many times must we go through this? Arguing with Apple fanboys is pointless, they absorb everything like a brick wall and then naively fall on you with a storm of untrue and exaggerated crap shit out of the cunt that is the development team. Aside from that, they arent even worth it, you have better ways to spend your time.

2008-08-29 13:15:34

kylef: Gone; +1,352|6761|N. Ireland

ghettoperson wrote:
Plus I'm sure had Pope Jobs thought multiple USB ports was a good idea, he'd have just stuck them in the first time around. It's hardly ground breaking technology.

I guess because it gets thinner as it goes along it couldn't done. You could always use a hub, but that would be a PITA after a while. Anyways, when I make the move over to a laptop (September / October) I can see that I'll need 1 definitely, and 1 for extra use. Not sure what to do there ... a wireless USB hub thing would be nice..

N00bkilla55404 wrote:
Sigh...how many times must we go through this? Arguing with Apple fanboys is pointless, they absorb everything like a brick wall and then naively fall on you with a storm of untrue and exaggerated crap shit out of the cunt that is the development team. Aside from that, they arent even worth it, you have better ways to spend your time.

I can only assume you are talking about me

- i don't own anything apple apart from an ipod which was bought for me
- i'm typing this from a pc that i love

Last edited by kylef (2008-08-29 13:16:37)

2008-08-29 13:16:50

ghettoperson: Member; +1,943|6917

kylef wrote:
And yet you are praising a laptop that hasn't been released??

This *will* be released, whereas you're talking about a laptop that *may* be released, and even then we have no idea of whether someone will have realised that more than one USB port is really fucking useful. Give it up Kyle, you're grasping at straws here.

2008-08-29 13:17:54

N00bkilla55404: Voices are calling...; +136|6199|Somewhere out in Space

kylef wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
Plus I'm sure had Pope Jobs thought multiple USB ports was a good idea, he'd have just stuck them in the first time around. It's hardly ground breaking technology.
I guess because it gets thinner as it goes along it couldn't done. You could always use a hub, but that would be a PITA after a while. Anyways, when I make the move over to a laptop (September / October) I can see that I'll need 1 definitely, and 1 for extra use. Not sure what to do there ... a wireless USB hub thing would be nice..

N00bkilla55404 wrote:
Sigh...how many times must we go through this? Arguing with Apple fanboys is pointless, they absorb everything like a brick wall and then naively fall on you with a storm of untrue and exaggerated crap shit out of the cunt that is the development team. Aside from that, they arent even worth it, you have better ways to spend your time.
I can only assume you are talking about me

- i don't own anything apple apart from an ipod which was bought for me
- i'm typing this from a pc that i love

Apple fantards dont have to own a mac, or any apple product for that matter, to be a fantard.

Last edited by N00bkilla55404 (2008-08-29 13:18:31)

2008-08-29 13:18:34

kylef: Gone; +1,352|6761|N. Ireland

ghettoperson wrote:
kylef wrote:
And yet you are praising a laptop that hasn't been released??
This *will* be released, whereas you're talking about a laptop that *may* be released, and even then we have no idea of whether someone will have realised that more than one USB port is really fucking useful. Give it up Kyle, you're grasping at straws here.

Yep, I just don't like the stereotypical PC attitude that "PC > macs" is every conversation because it isn't. I know you know that, and I know others do too, but there are some that just don't get that...at least respect the product. I guarantee if Microsoft had came out with that laptop, exact same spec etc, it wouldn't get as much criticism. But hey, they say any media is good media

Anyways...

N00bkilla55404 wrote:
Apple fantards dont have to own a mac, or any apple product for that matter, to be a fantard.

Irony. Love the language, grammar etc in that post too btw

Last edited by kylef (2008-08-29 13:19:21)

2008-08-29 14:27:35

utchin: Member; +8|6181

Tbh apples are good, im not saying there grate and i wouldnt buy a mac unless it was on sale for 1/3 of RRP.

Macs are genraly for the speclists, and only a small population of macs are used in home as a daily machine.

To me, looking at it the lower case looks bigger than the whole mac book air, and i dont think it looks as good.

2008-08-29 14:33:24

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6738

I don't entirely understand this desire and drive for scarily-thin laptops. If size, portability or weight is your concern then why not get a more sturdy and better-equipped mini-notebook? There are countless threads in this Tech section about such gadgets- I don't see why someone would try to save on weight/size by buying an overpriced laptop with the strength of cardboard that boasts nothing technologically advantageous.

It looks great but would you really want to spend a premium price and not even get the barebones essential of a DVD-Drive or a decent sized hard-drive? Especially when it comes to more high-end laptops and gaming-grade performance laptops (that you can certainly buy for the same price as these 'air' gimmicks)... why would you honestly choose one when you could instead buy a super-mean laptop? I'd rather spend £300 on one of the mini-notebooks.

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2008-08-29 14:40:59

utchin: Member; +8|6181

Uzique wrote:
If size, portability or weight is your concern then why not get a more sturdy and better-equipped mini-notebook?

I personally agree with you there, mainly because you would have a bigger case, such as a normal laptop case, for power cables, DVD drives, and all your other "briefcase" items.

Uzique wrote:
with the strength of cardboard that boasts nothing technologically advantageous.

Unbelievable they don't fault because they are thin and the components inside get damaged.

I stongly agree with the comments on the website:

umm... you may want to cover up, your bias is showing.

I work on PC and Mac laptops for a living, and other than being a bit difficult to get into for service, Apple's equipment is no more, and sometimes noticeably less shoddy that other manufacturers of similar hardware.

And all things being equal... when things get as thin as MacBook Air does, I trust aluminum more than I trust thin plastic. Plastic has it's advantages in elasticity and impact resistance, but only when it is significantly robust enough. Thin plastic cracks and breaks much more, and is more serious than even an unsightly aluminum dent.

After 5 years of a 3-year round rotation cycle... I have seen lots of computers get old. Aluminum, if treated well, lasts much better than plastic. If treated poorly they both break.

That isn't to even get started with the software support differential between Mac OS compared to XP Pro or Vista. And I do both, every single day.

By Myles Taylor at 3:55 PM ON 08/29/08

I agree with boxerfanatic. A big part of reviewing products is being objective. You take too many potshots at the Air...what's the point? Give it up already. Also, you make a statement about users who "just can’t stand the thought of muddling through OS X" and I wonder what that's based on! Compared to Vista, OS X is heaven. Basically, this reviewer has no credibility. Start being objective for a change...people will pay more attention.

2008-08-29 14:43:04

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

Uzique wrote:
I'd rather spend £300 on one of the mini-notebooks.

http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 3#p2267303

Do it! Oh wait you just got one of the sexiest lappys available on the market!

https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png

2008-08-29 14:47:26

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6738

.Sup wrote:
Uzique wrote:
I'd rather spend £300 on one of the mini-notebooks.
http://forums.bf2s.com/viewtopic.php?pi … 3#p2267303

Do it! Oh wait you just got one of the sexiest lappys available on the market!

I never 'got them' when I first read about them on this Forum. However after shopping around in town for my new notebook I did get to grips with a few of the mini-notebooks available- I definitely see the appeal. And yours is sexy as well; looks far more robust and functional than one of these ultra-thin aesthetical Air models.

Don't get me wrong... the Air blew me away when it was released. A huge step forward in design and development of portable technology. But the 'technology' part only seems partially-supported at this moment in time and also furthermore seems far too fragile and overpriced.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2008-08-29 14:48:50

utchin: Member; +8|6181

Uzique wrote:
overpriced.

That's apple in a nutshell

Last edited by utchin (2008-08-29 14:49:38)

2008-08-29 14:58:43

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6738

utchin wrote:
Uzique wrote:
overpriced.
That's apple in a nutshell

I generally think that there are a lot of intangible bonuses and advantages to having an Apple product that semi-justifies the high price markups. I'm not anti-Apple or pro-PC by any means... I just struggle to see the real practical lure of having one of these wafer-thin laptops when mini-notebooks (such as Sup's) serve the same function much more effectively and robustly.

Apple are smart, people that blindly buy their products without proper research and necessity are the suckers. In the case of the Macbook Air... well it was a first in a market, a 'breakthrough' of sorts- in a business sense they took the it by the balls in their pricing strategy. If no one else has done it and there are no other examples, why not add a high markup margin and set the bar high? If certain people deem the tangible/intangible benefits of the product as being worth the asked price... then more power to them.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2008-08-29 15:13:40

utchin: Member; +8|6181

Thinking about it, I think once Apple get serious competion in the air then prices might fall.... but saying that, apple dont work that way

If i did buy a laptop, price aside, it would be a macbook air over any other thin/small laptop.

2008-08-29 15:20:36

Smithereener: Member; +138|6583|California

Uzique wrote:
I generally think that there are a lot of intangible bonuses and advantages to having an Apple product that semi-justifies the high price markups. I'm not anti-Apple or pro-PC by any means... I just struggle to see the real practical lure of having one of these wafer-thin laptops when mini-notebooks (such as Sup's) serve the same function much more effectively and robustly.

Apple are smart, people that blindly buy their products without proper research and necessity are the suckers. In the case of the Macbook Air... well it was a first in a market, a 'breakthrough' of sorts- in a business sense they took the it by the balls in their pricing strategy. If no one else has done it and there are no other examples, why not add a high markup margin and set the bar high? If certain people deem the tangible/intangible benefits of the product as being worth the asked price... then more power to them.

I agree that these thin-as-a-supermodel notebooks are really somewhat worthless and I'd hardly call the Macbook Air a "breakthrough." Sony created a notebook as thin in 2004, the X505, which flopped because of it's ridiculously high price. These damn super-thin notebooks aren't fucking ultraportable as they're touted to be, they have the same damn footprint as any other 13.3" notebook, just on a diet. A lot of people won't see the value of true ultraportable notebooks anymore tbh, because netbooks have essentially filled in that niche market. I'm sure there are still some people (like my sister) who find netbooks way too small, and will still go for those 11.1"-12" notebooks, but to most, a netbook is probably a better choice.

2008-08-29 16:49:15

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6721|The Twilight Zone

Looks ain't everything, its the pussy that counts and in this case thats the hardware Air possesses. And lemme tell you that's some very expensive old pussy.

2008-08-29 17:29:45

wah1188: You orrible caaaaaaan't; +321|6728|UK

.Sup wrote:
Looks ain't everything, its the pussy that counts and in this case thats the hardware Air possesses. And lemme tell you that's some very expensive old pussy.

Nice way to put it, may I add wrinkly and you'd struggle to touch the sides?

2008-08-29 18:12:30

David.P: Banned; +649|6541

Well this is gonna piss bernie off.

EDIT: About the Gpu. Was'nt Nvidia working on portable 79xx level gpu for notebooks?

Last edited by David.P (2008-08-29 18:13:46)

2008-08-29 18:43:59

Smithereener: Member; +138|6583|California

David.P wrote:
Well this is gonna piss bernie off.

EDIT: About the Gpu. Was'nt Nvidia working on portable 79xx level gpu for notebooks?

, that's old news. There have already been 7900 and 7950 Go's for notebooks. There's also 8800m GTS and GTX's, as well as 9800m now. But there's like a 0% chance we'll see those in these kind of notebooks in the near future.

2008-08-29 19:10:33

jaymz9350: Member; +54|6845

Uzique wrote:
I don't entirely understand this desire and drive for scarily-thin laptops. If size, portability or weight is your concern then why not get a more sturdy and better-equipped mini-notebook? There are countless threads in this Tech section about such gadgets- I don't see why someone would try to save on weight/size by buying an overpriced laptop with the strength of cardboard that boasts nothing technologically advantageous.

It all depends on what is important to you. Me personally if I had the money I'd go for that samsung over a mini notebook. Why? I can barely stand the size of the screen on my wife's 12" Acer let alone the tiny screen on the mini's. And the technological advantage is the low weight and decent size screen.

Uzique wrote:
It looks great but would you really want to spend a premium price and not even get the barebones essential of a DVD-Drive or a decent sized hard-drive? Especially when it comes to more high-end laptops and gaming-grade performance laptops (that you can certainly buy for the same price as these 'air' gimmicks)...

Yes. only one of the available HDD's is smaller than the one in my current notebook which isn't even half used (less than 40 gig of files) and I have rarely used the DVD drive in it so I wouldn't see the hassle in using an external or even sharing my desktop DVD drive over the netork (I do this for my sever as well because it has no optical drive)

Uzique wrote:
why would you honestly choose one when you could instead buy a super-mean laptop?

I have no need for a super-mean laptop, If I need a power house computer I have a nice desktop for that.

Now I'm not saying you're wrong for your opinions on the "worth" of these kind of notebooks but everyone has different wants and needs when purchasing technology.

2008-08-30 02:28:11

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6849|SE London

kylef wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:
kylef wrote:
And yet you are praising a laptop that hasn't been released??
This *will* be released, whereas you're talking about a laptop that *may* be released, and even then we have no idea of whether someone will have realised that more than one USB port is really fucking useful. Give it up Kyle, you're grasping at straws here.
Yep, I just don't like the stereotypical PC attitude that "PC > macs" is every conversation because it isn't. I know you know that, and I know others do too, but there are some that just don't get that...at least respect the product. I guarantee if Microsoft had came out with that laptop, exact same spec etc, it wouldn't get as much criticism. But hey, they say any media is good media

Anyways...

So you're saying it's not better than the Air? Despite the higher specs and much, much better connectivity options (3x more USB ports, VGA and HDMI out (not gay micro DVI), gigabit ethernet (not including that on the Air was a huge mistake) and a card reader).

It is better than the Air, no two ways about it, and I'd be shocked if it is more than 3/4 the price of the Air.

2008-08-30 02:54:25

Freezer7Pro: I don't come here a lot anymore.; +1,447|6465|Winland

Bertster7 wrote:
kylef wrote:
ghettoperson wrote:

This *will* be released, whereas you're talking about a laptop that *may* be released, and even then we have no idea of whether someone will have realised that more than one USB port is really fucking useful. Give it up Kyle, you're grasping at straws here.
Yep, I just don't like the stereotypical PC attitude that "PC > macs" is every conversation because it isn't. I know you know that, and I know others do too, but there are some that just don't get that...at least respect the product. I guarantee if Microsoft had came out with that laptop, exact same spec etc, it wouldn't get as much criticism. But hey, they say any media is good media

Anyways...
So you're saying it's not better than the Air? Despite the higher specs and much, much better connectivity options (3x more USB ports, VGA and HDMI out (not gay micro DVI), gigabit ethernet (not including that on the Air was a huge mistake) and a card reader).

It is better than the Air, no two ways about it, and I'd be shocked if it is more than 3/4 the price of the Air.

The Macman has spoken.

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP

2008-08-30 03:04:35

utchin: Member; +8|6181

Look wise the x360 is no competition for the macbook air, MB air looks so much better.

Im sure apple could figure out a way of putting more ports on it, and that is going to be apples improvment on it.

Last edited by utchin (2008-08-30 03:05:19)

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