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but Australia isn't a Republic... yet..  These people are citizens of the " Republic " of Ireland,  swearing an oat of allegiance to the Queen surely is a violation of allegiance to the Republic.. non?

Last edited by IG-Calibre (2008-09-06 05:22:03)

while a person may have dual "nationalities" one cannot be a Republican Monarchist..

They just do UN peace keeping or peace enforcement like there current mandate in Chad. They also assist the police from time to time. The only war they ever fought was the war of independance over 80 years ago against the British and there last major engagement was against rebels during the 50's in the Congo.

I know two guys who are currently serving members of the Irish army who have applied to join the British army for what they see as a sort of adventure. I dont think there;s anything really wrong with it because at the end of the day there Irish and will always put there homeland first regardless of what oath they swear to the Queen.

Last edited by Jepeto87 (2008-09-06 06:21:23)

yes.  by all fucking means.

max wrote:

You can't strip citizenship from a person that only has 1 nationality. For people with dual nationalities, they have every right to join the army of the other country. Anyhow, I'm pretty sure that Ireland and the UK have a treaty concerning (and allowing) this.

What you can't do is join both armies

FYI: I'm have a swiss and german passport. If I were join the swiss army, I can't join the german one; if I join the german army, I can't join the swiss one. But neither can take away my citizenship incase I join the one or the other army

not true, i was reading some story today about a US citizen who was in the US army, then because of irish heritage, went and joined the British Army (roots to NI).

When a Football player chooses to play for a different international team he still retains his citizenship of where he was born.

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I'll also add what about the many different people that join the Spanish/French foreign legions too? They do it because there's more chance of seeing action, and can still keep their citizenship. I think there's someone from every country in the FFL.

Last edited by jord (2008-09-06 11:10:36)

Here in the US use loose your citizenship if you serve in a foreign military, so yes they should. It only makes sense, the whole duel citizen thing is bs.

Loss of citizenship

As a historical matter, U.S. citizenship could be forfeited upon the undertaking of various acts, including naturalization in a foreign state, service in foreign armed forces, and voting in a foreign political election (with a few exceptions, such as municipal and local elections as opposed to presidential and other national elections). However, a line of U.S. Supreme Court decisions beginning with Afroyim v. Rusk constitutionally limited the government's capacity to terminate citizenship to those cases in which an individual engaged in conduct with an intention of abandoning their citizenship. In the wake of administrative practice changes adopted by the U.S. Department of State during the mid 1990s, it is now virtually impossible to lose one's citizenship without expressly renouncing it before a U.S. consular officer.[16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Sta … nality_law

Your are swearing alligence to a nation other than your own.

Well, it sort of depends on the case

When Germany attacked Great Britain back in the 40's, many American pilots joined the RAF to aid the British rather than wait for the government to drag it's feet any longer.

If one was to join the armed forces of a hostile nation, then i could certainly understand the need to terminate citizenship, but in many cases they wish to fight for the same side, but the only means would be to do so under a different flag

the Irish have always got involved in world wars by signing up en mass to the British army while maintaining irelands fragile neutrality after tackling invasion for 500 years itself before poland got invaded. My father in law is 6ft8 inch 70 year old ex Irish British army Sargent. I'm only an inch smaller than him and he still is intimidating. so no. Irish men can never miss a fight when it is meaninful under whatever flag. so . no.

Last edited by JahManRed (2008-09-06 22:11:49)

S.Lythberg wrote:

JahManRed wrote:

the Irish have always got involved in world wars by signing up en mass to the British army while maintaining Ireland's fragile neutrality after tackling invasion for 500 years itself before Poland got invaded. My father in law is 6ft8 inch 70 year old ex Irish British army Sargent. I'm only an inch smaller than him and he still is intimidating. so no. Irish men can never miss a fight under whatever flag. so . no.

On that note, the security of Ireland is heavily Dependent on the Security of Britain, the Irish would be fools to sit by and watch GB fall to invaders and think they wouldn't be next

Ireland an Britain would unite to fight off whatever threat if it came. At the end of the day we are both islands and we would have to look after each other. our arms shite BTW.

IG-Calibre wrote:

still doesn't get around the fact that swearing an oath of  allegiance to a Monarch as a citizen of a Republic is an act of treason no if's and's or But's about it.  Now rather than punishing the "act" of treason with death (as would of been the case at a time) I think it should at the very least merit stripping of citizenship for treachery,  or, remove the oath of allegiance when joining the Crown forces.

Thanks to globalisation, most governments and people have moved beyond such petty nationalism.

The UK and Ireland will all be Muslim soon so the point is mute...   lol... totally kidding...