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2008-09-07 14:37:32

#101

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

August 2001 -- McCain votes against increasing the amount of cash available for veterans' medical care
March 2004 -- McCain votes against creating a reserve fund for veterans' medical care
March 2006 -- McCain votes against increasing veterans' medical services funding
May 2006 -- McCain votes against additional funding to the VA for health care facilities
September 2007 -- McCain votes against the Webb Amendment, which would have provided for adequate periods of rest between deployments to Iraq

Im glad his supporters care enough to rescue flags though.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/06/mcc … erans-rnc/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10033827-56.html
http://vets4politics.blogspot.com/2008/ … es-he.html

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2008-09-07 14:48:53

#102

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7020|132 and Bush

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
mikkel wrote:
What would you suggest? That all surplus and discarded flags be put into perpetual storage?
At the very least, they were an investment that could have been re-used at rallies in Colorado as well as the rest of the nation during the general election

No worries though:
This morning, Republicans tell me that a worker at Invesco Field in Denver saved thousands of unused flags from the Democratic National Convention that were headed for the garbage. Guerrilla campaigning. They will use these flags at their own event today in Colorado Springs with John McCain and Sarah Palin.

Before McCain speaks today, veterans will haul these garbage bags filled with flags out onto the stage — with dramatic effect, no doubt — and tell the story.
Someone found a use for them. Absolutely owned tbh.

If you want to know how to properly dispose of the flag check the US flag code. Or contact http://www.legion.org/ or http://www.vfw.org/ and they can help you .

No one suggested here that it was a “nefarious plot”. I hardly think that Obama would have directed his staff to throw 12,000 American flags in a dumpster. In fact, until Team Obama issued this ludicrous statement, the story didn’t have anything to do with them.
I can't find the proper procedure of disposal on that code, care to help me?

# Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
# (2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-09-07 14:51:27

#103

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

and its only enforced to distract the public from the issues during turbulent times.

2008-09-07 14:54:26

#104

MGS3_GrayFox: Member; +50|6587

Kmarion wrote:
# Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
# (2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.

I mean the procedure of disposing a perfectly fine flag. Its not in the code (I can't seem to find it).

2008-09-07 15:09:55

#105

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7020|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:
and its only enforced to distract the public from the issues during turbulent times.

What do you mean enforced? The DNC didn't break the code. If they had I'm sure there would have been a hefty fine. It's a matter of perspective I think. It's right inline with the Obama doesn't wear a flag pin or put his hand over his heart.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-09-07 15:13:15

#106

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

should have chosen a different word. I just seem to recall issues about the flag always end up getting mentioned whenever other, more important things are out there. flags arent supposed to be worn as articles of clothing either.

or allowed to be flown at night without a light being shown on it.

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2008-09-07 15:19:18

#107

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

oug wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Mek-Stizzle wrote:
I'm talking about his patriotism too.
oh i am sorry. i will just go around saying the US sucks.

so here is a question for you guys.

back a while ago a US soldier got in trouble for doing nasty things to the koran. a lot of you were pissed and started bashing the US as usual with the usual and typical bf2s lines. but, its only a book. whats the problem? why were a lot of you pissed at that since it is only a book? paper and glue.
Throwing some extra flags away because you have no use for them or whatever is one thing. Intentionally doing "nasty things" to them is another. There's a symbolism when you burn a flag for example (not that I have any particular problem with the latter).

it doesnt matter. all i hear is "it is just cloth" well a book is "just paper and glue" you guys want to play that game for one and not the other.

2008-09-07 15:20:10

#108

Harmor: Error_Name_Not_Found; +605|6968|San Diego, CA, USA

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
Kmarion wrote:
# Whoever knowingly mutilates, defaces, physically defiles, burns, maintains on the floor or ground, or tramples upon any flag of the United States shall be fined under this title or imprisoned for not more than one year, or both.
# (2) This subsection does not prohibit any conduct consisting of the disposal of a flag when it has become worn or soiled.
I mean the procedure of disposing a perfectly fine flag. Its not in the code (I can't seem to find it).

Source: http://www.ehow.com/how_2045581_dispose … -flag.html

Apparently you're supposed to burn 'tattered' or 'worn' flags...otherwise you're supposed to contact a local veterans, boy scouts, or mail the flag to Flag Keepers:

Source: http://www.flagkeepers.org/FlagDisposalFees.asp

Costs $5 for full-size flags (3'x5' or larger), otherwise its free.

Here is an example of a Flag Disposal Ceremony:

2008-09-07 15:44:54

#109

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7020|132 and Bush

God Save the Queen wrote:
August 2001 -- McCain votes against increasing the amount of cash available for veterans' medical care
March 2004 -- McCain votes against creating a reserve fund for veterans' medical care
March 2006 -- McCain votes against increasing veterans' medical services funding
May 2006 -- McCain votes against additional funding to the VA for health care facilities
September 2007 -- McCain votes against the Webb Amendment, which would have provided for adequate periods of rest between deployments to Iraq

Im glad his supporters care enough to rescue flags though.

http://thinkprogress.org/2008/09/06/mcc … erans-rnc/
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13860_3-10033827-56.html
http://vets4politics.blogspot.com/2008/ … es-he.html

John McCain has voted consistently to increase funding for veterans' benefits, recognizing that the people who serve our country should get priority over the disgraceful amounts of spending on corporate subsidies and wasteful pork barrel spending. He also pushed for various initiatives to ensure that veterans who are eligible for benefits know what they are entitled to and have the resources to obtain their benefits.

Is Veterans for McCain just telling us blatant lies? I will have to see why they would make such a statement. I'll start by looking at his entire voting record. Pork is often attached to those bills bills because a vote against the added pork is no doubt a vote against wounded vets. Ugly politics is ugly.

Xbone Stormsurgezz

2008-09-07 17:07:22

#110

War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +564|7133|Purplicious Wisconsin

TheAussieReaper wrote:
War Man wrote:
Wearing a bikini in red, white and blue is sexy and patriotic. So STFU Aussie, we don't need opinions from foreigners.
no u

How about both of us

God Save the Queen wrote:
too bad mccain spits in the face of every veteran.

Too bad Obama won't bother visiting injured troops in the hospital.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2008-09-07 17:11:22

#111

MGS3_GrayFox: Member; +50|6587

War Man wrote:
Too bad Obama won't bother visiting injured troops in the hospital.

I guess all injured troops need is a visit in the hospital.

I didn't know it was that simple, a simple visit will heal their wounds, ease their pain and give them all the help they will ever need. McCain is the messiah.

2008-09-07 17:14:51

#112

War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +564|7133|Purplicious Wisconsin

MGS3_GrayFox wrote:
War Man wrote:
Too bad Obama won't bother visiting injured troops in the hospital.
I guess all injured troops need is a visit in the hospital.

I didn't know it was that simple, a simple visit will heal their wounds, ease their pain and give them all the help they will ever need. McCain is the messiah.

Moron, I was referring to the day Obama didn't bother visiting the injured when he took his middle east trip a few months ago, he was going to but he couldn't bring anyone with him so he decided not to. And a simple visit does give a moral boost for you information, refusing not to visit is disrespectful.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2008-09-07 17:15:42

#113

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

so youre overlooking the troops he did visit?

2008-09-07 17:27:30

#114

War Man: Australians are hermaphrodites.; +564|7133|Purplicious Wisconsin

God Save the Queen wrote:
so youre overlooking the troops he did visit?

Didn't want to visit the troops in the hospital though did he, but you lib weren't understand as you don't know the meaning of patriotism.

The irony of guns, is that they can save lives.

2008-09-07 17:28:14

#115

God Save the Queen: Banned; +628|6763|tropical regions of london

english. dont be a retard. im no fucking liberal. youre a non voter.

2008-09-07 17:28:14

#116

oug: Calmer than you are.; +380|6939|Πάϊ

usmarine wrote:
oug wrote:
Throwing some extra flags away because you have no use for them or whatever is one thing. Intentionally doing "nasty things" to them is another. There's a symbolism when you burn a flag for example (not that I have any particular problem with the latter).
it doesnt matter. all i hear is "it is just cloth" well a book is "just paper and glue" you guys want to play that game for one and not the other.

personally I'm willing to play that game for both

_ƒ³

2008-09-07 17:41:08

#117

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6890

oug wrote:
usmarine wrote:
oug wrote:
Throwing some extra flags away because you have no use for them or whatever is one thing. Intentionally doing "nasty things" to them is another. There's a symbolism when you burn a flag for example (not that I have any particular problem with the latter).
it doesnt matter. all i hear is "it is just cloth" well a book is "just paper and glue" you guys want to play that game for one and not the other.
personally I'm willing to play that game for both

Same, although I say that is a rather terrible comparison/example.

Disposing of used flags that are in surplus is quite a different matter from disposing of or destroying a holy text in a malicious and intentionally debasing way. A bunch of politicians throwing away flags after a convention which were leftover and had served their purpose is a completely different matter from burning/desecrating a religious text just because it is the book of your 'enemy'; in the faction/military sense and the religious sense.

Although I personally could care a lot less if someone wants to burn a Bible or burn any other text. It's just a mass-produced book- not as if each and every one is blessed by a clergyman and descended to Earth from the Heavens.

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2008-09-07 17:45:17

#118

jord: Member; +2,382|7098|The North, beyond the wall.

War Man wrote:
Moron.

Laughed my fucking ass off.

2008-09-07 17:50:33

#119

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Uzique wrote:
Same, although I say that is a rather terrible comparison/example.

is it not just paper? one of you answer that please.

2008-09-07 17:55:45

#120

m3thod: All kiiiiiiiiinds of gainz; +2,197|7091|UK

usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Same, although I say that is a rather terrible comparison/example.
is it not just paper? one of you answer that please.

do not compare mere paper to the WORDS OF ALLAH INFIDEL.

Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.

2008-09-07 17:58:36

#121

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

m3thod wrote:
usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Same, although I say that is a rather terrible comparison/example.
is it not just paper? one of you answer that please.
do not compare mere paper to the WORDS OF ALLAH INFIDEL.

k lulz

2008-09-07 18:00:32

#122

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6572|what

War Man wrote:
God Save the Queen wrote:
so youre overlooking the troops he did visit?
but you lib weren't understand as you don't know the meaning of patriotism.

Liberals don't understand the meaning of Patriotism?

Well what would you know, you don't understand the meaning of The Theory of Evolution.

2008-09-07 18:31:27

#123

Uzique: dasein.; +2,865|6890

usmarine wrote:
Uzique wrote:
Same, although I say that is a rather terrible comparison/example.
is it not just paper? one of you answer that please.

Of course it's just paper but that's such an abstract and out-of-context reference, your argument holds no weight

I see your point but I don't really see what you're getting at by comparing binning used flags to burning the sacred texts of your wartime enemy.

Both are symbolic, both are important to the people under it... but throwing away surplus flags for the very reason that they're in excess and/or used is different to burning a book because you resent the follower or religion.

_{libertarian benefit collector - anti-academic super-intellectual}. _{http://mixlr.com/the-little-phrase/}

2008-09-07 18:35:12

#124

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

Uzique wrote:
I see your point but I don't really see what you're getting at by comparing binning used flags to burning the sacred texts of your wartime enemy.

you keep saying used flags. there are laws in this country for it.

and paper cant be sacred. its made in a mill and mass produced. how is that sacred right?

and who said burning it because of resent. i just said its ok to burn it because its just paper. stop trying to draw your own conclusions to make it sound better.

and i am not talking about the people throwing it away. GET THAT THRU YOUR SKULL MAN. I am tallking about the people who just call it piece of cloth. maybe if you understand what i am saying, it would be better.

Last edited by usmarine (2008-09-07 18:38:46)

2008-09-07 18:40:10

#125

usmarine: Banned; +2,785|7181

my god uzique, and you accuse me of not reading your posts.

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