Don't think Jord meant that lowing, could be wrong. Think there is a difference between fighting for freedom and being willing (but not eager) to pay the butcher's bill and carrying out suicide attacks on civilians in order to force them to behave in a certain way.
First link refers to Jews. And frankly, however ridiculous the slander, I can see why they hate them so much. The rest are all cases of immigrants in Europe. Not that I'm trying to somehow justify the shit that went down in Denmark for example, but these religious fanatics do not represent entire muslim communities.Kuffar wrote:
1. Koranic verses and hadith that reference Jews and Christians as the descendants of pigs and apes or as having turned into pigs and apes, also recent references to these concepts by Islamic clerics:
http://www.memri.org/bin/articles.cgi?A … ID=SR01102
Not happening in Britain now though?
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/arti … article.do
Elsewhere?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/co … 02323.html
2. Who is the aggressor?
Abu Izzadeen warns Home Secretary to leave Muslim areas
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abu_Izzadeen
Senior bishop warns of No-go areas
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … slims.html
French intifada
http://www.worldtribune.com/worldtribun … 11111.html
Danish jihad
http://www.brusselsjournal.com/node/938
Netherlands collapsing
http://www.spiegel.de/international/0,1 … 22,00.html
Copts in Egypt
http://www.copts.com/english1/index.php … pyt-today/
Thailand (no-Buddhists please, we're Islamic)
http://jihadwatch.org/archives/009732.php
The reality is that Iraq and Afghanistan (I assume that you are referring to these as support for your decision to call me a racist and pig (how ironic) and a liar)) are both and will remain Muslim countries. American and coalition forces/NATO are in the process of handing them over to their newly elected governments. All that stands between the ordinary people of those countries and democracy are the fanatics and murderers who wish to hold them in spiritual chains.
By and large the bombers and would-be bombers have been reasonably well-educated people with jobs and families and futures. The 'hostile climate' you refer is a myth.
Women's rights just to have a pop at Islam? I've got a daughter. Grow up.
Also, cases like France: the hatred is class bred, not religious. More like poor vs rich. It just so happens that the immigrants are mostly poor.
and btw I didn't call you anything, and I never implied that western imperialism sought to change their religion. Oh no. We have other, more modern ways of controlling a nation. They're called newly elected governments (lol).
I will agree that they play a major role, but surely they are not the only reason.Kuffar wrote:
All that stands between the ordinary people of those countries and democracy are the fanatics and murderers who wish to hold them in spiritual chains.
Oh yeah? Just take a look at the threads on this forum. If anything they're full of lies, slander and ignorance.Kuffar wrote:
The 'hostile climate' you refer is a myth.
I wasn't referring directly at you, more a comment concerning the entire right-wing muslim haters or whatever. Btw not that you being a parent proves anything, but again don't take this personally. If we knew each other then maybe I could refer to you in person.Kuffar wrote:
Women's rights just to have a pop at Islam? I've got a daughter. Grow up.
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Let's call it even then.
In God We Trust can't be in schools?
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
Oh it is Lowing, well that's okay then.theelviscerator wrote:
In God We Trust can't be in schools?
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
so in god we trust is ok but if something akin to "allah ackbar" is up, youve got steam coming from your ears. hypocrisy rules!theelviscerator wrote:
In God We Trust can't be in schools?
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
sharia law is bad. christian fundamentalism is good?
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Ain't me, unless you honestly believe I would hide behind another name in order to voice my opinionjord wrote:
Oh it is Lowing, well that's okay then.theelviscerator wrote:
In God We Trust can't be in schools?
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
Since America morality and society is Christian based yeah, I wll admit to this.God Save the Queen wrote:
so in god we trust is ok but if something akin to "allah ackbar" is up, youve got steam coming from your ears. hypocrisy rules!theelviscerator wrote:
In God We Trust can't be in schools?
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
sharia law is bad. christian fundamentalism is good?
Thought you might have been banned or something. Aint everyday someone comes back after a year to these forums for no good reason other than to scaremonger about Sharia Law.lowing wrote:
Ain't me, unless you honestly believe I would hide behind another name in order to voice my opinionjord wrote:
Oh it is Lowing, well that's okay then.theelviscerator wrote:
In God We Trust can't be in schools?
I guess never looked on the front of a quarter..
It's the National Motto, as approved by Congress.
FACT.
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who said he is "back" maybe a new member?jord wrote:
Thought you might have been banned or something. Aint everyday someone comes back after a year to these forums for no good reason other than to scaremonger about Sharia Law.lowing wrote:
Ain't me, unless you honestly believe I would hide behind another name in order to voice my opinionjord wrote:
Oh it is Lowing, well that's okay then.
He has been here 500 days and his last karma was 1 year ago.lowing wrote:
who said he is "back" maybe a new member?jord wrote:
Thought you might have been banned or something. Aint everyday someone comes back after a year to these forums for no good reason other than to scaremonger about Sharia Law.lowing wrote:
Ain't me, unless you honestly believe I would hide behind another name in order to voice my opinion
Scaremongering. Sigh. The day after the news crept out that sharia is now legally enforceable in the UK where both parties agree to it. By the time you wake from your slumber it will be too late.
Please wake up and smell your own bullshit... why has there been no panic or outrage over the Jewish courts that have been in existence in the UK for years? I guess the Zionist conspiracy just isn't that fashionable any more. Oh, it was all the rage in the 1940's but now we prefer our bad guys to be just a shade darker.Kuffar wrote:
Scaremongering. Sigh. The day after the news crept out that sharia is now legally enforceable in the UK where both parties agree to it. By the time you wake from your slumber it will be too late.
I find it hilarious that people actually think we're going to wake up one day to find ourselves ruled by Mullahs. They are a MINORITY, a huge minority at that. The worst case scenario in terms of projected birth rates will never become a reality - they never do, wealth and apathy always kick in to curb these factors. Even if they seized power by force they would never hold onto it, I don't know about you but I would show some balls and take it back by hook or by crook.
We are not going to be "taken over" by Muslims. Change the fucking record please.
It's not like the British courts are going to be over ruled by Sharia law. In fact you'll find it's the opposite.
You can say that again.Braddock wrote:
They are a MINORITY, a huge minority at that.
ignore the dickhead.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Yeah, the Mexicans are a minority in the US, and we don't have any problems...............TheAussieReaper wrote:
It's not like the British courts are going to be over ruled by Sharia law. In fact you'll find it's the opposite.You can say that again.Braddock wrote:
They are a MINORITY, a huge minority at that.
You don't understand that the "illegal" immigrants are actually an important factor to your countries economics. All the low paid and dirty jobs you wouldn't consider even thinking about doing, they are willing too.lowing wrote:
Yeah, the Mexicans are a minority in the US, and we don't have any problems...............
Don't be so quick to demonise them just because they are a minority.
1. We have secure borders.lowing wrote:
Yeah, the Mexicans are a minority in the US, and we don't have any problems...............TheAussieReaper wrote:
It's not like the British courts are going to be over ruled by Sharia law. In fact you'll find it's the opposite.You can say that again.Braddock wrote:
They are a MINORITY, a huge minority at that.
2. We don't have guns to hand out like candy
3. We're not idiots.
Related topic, vastly different scenario.
Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
I didn't demonize anyone for being a minority, I demonize them for being illegal. You did hit it right on the head though, in America all I hear is excuses about circumstances and bad luck and shit as the reason why someone can't get a job, yet an illegal can come hear and in 15 minutes be working on a construction crew etc...So I guess there are jobs that even the American poverty stricken "wouldn't consider even thinking about doing". Hey I got an idea instead of forcing people to earn a living, lets just pay for them not to.TheAussieReaper wrote:
You don't understand that the "illegal" immigrants are actually an important factor to your countries economics. All the low paid and dirty jobs you wouldn't consider even thinking about doing, they are willing too.lowing wrote:
Yeah, the Mexicans are a minority in the US, and we don't have any problems...............
Don't be so quick to demonise them just because they are a minority.
Can't argue therem3thod wrote:
1. We have secure borders.lowing wrote:
Yeah, the Mexicans are a minority in the US, and we don't have any problems...............TheAussieReaper wrote:
It's not like the British courts are going to be over ruled by Sharia law. In fact you'll find it's the opposite.
You can say that again.
2. We don't have guns to hand out like candy
3. We're not idiots.
Related topic, vastly different scenario.
Your govt. does not trust you and decides for you
I wouldn't say that, didn't you spend an entire history dying and killing conquoring the world only to have an island to show for it off the coast of Europe?
Yeah, because imperialism is something to boast about.
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i like the fact our government doesn't trust us with guns. It means less of us die unnecessarily and thus i readily accept they can take away this particular 'freedom'.
On a a side note just how many governments out there don't allow its people the right to bear arms? I want to do a comparison. can you help me john?
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i like the fact our government doesn't trust us with guns. It means less of us die unnecessarily and thus i readily accept they can take away this particular 'freedom'.
On a a side note just how many governments out there don't allow its people the right to bear arms? I want to do a comparison. can you help me john?
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
You think the US govt should be
They have more than just an island off the coast of Europe, lowing. lol
I'm sure those that still don't comply should, what, starve to death on the streets?lowing wrote:
forcing people to earn a living
You do know that the I'm posting from the Commonwealth of Australia, right?lowing wrote:
I wouldn't say that, didn't you spend an entire history dying and killing conquoring the world only to have an island to show for it off the coast of Europe?
They have more than just an island off the coast of Europe, lowing. lol
And we never pretended they had big nasty bombs either!TheAussieReaper wrote:
You think the US govt should beI'm sure those that still don't comply should, what, starve to death on the streets?lowing wrote:
forcing people to earn a livingYou do know that the I'm posting from the Commonwealth of Australia, right?lowing wrote:
I wouldn't say that, didn't you spend an entire history dying and killing conquoring the world only to have an island to show for it off the coast of Europe?
They have more than just an island off the coast of Europe, lowing. lol
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Blackbelts are just whitebelts who have never quit.
Are you kidding me?chittydog wrote:
Show me where "God bless America" or "God shed his grace on thee" is in the Declaration. This guy wants to use government property as a forum for his religious beliefs and is lucky enough to be able to hide it behind a shroud of patriotism.DesertFox- wrote:
Propaganda, you say? The only vague message is that it has just a dash of religion in it by containing hte word "God". As the article said 'Benitez said the banners aren't religious and “do not advocate” for the divine. “Instead they highlight historic and patriotic themes that in themselves have acknowledged God's existence,” he said.' Why don't we block all classrooms from even having the words to Declaration of Independence or Pledge of Allegiance in it? The reason is because the messages aren't inherently religious and they in no way compromise the secular nature of the school.chittydog wrote:
It worries me a little that religious propaganda is allowed in the classroom. What worries me a lot is that he's able to get away with it because the courts are too scared to look unpatriotic since his signs have some vague "Go America" message behind all the x-tian nonsense.
Why is separation of church and state so hard for people to understand?
It's not in the declaration, no, but its in the school songs kids sing about America, its in the pledge of allegiance.
He should be able to put whatever the fuck he wants in his school.
I hope the fucking biology teacher has quotes from Darwin on his wall, and charts that show evolution.
Whats bad is when that opinion is forced on a kid.
Kids need to be taught how to learn, not what to learn. They need to be taught how to separate FACT (like fossils) from FICTION (a factually incorrect book telling you fairytale stories)
15 more years! 15 more years!
You know we have immigrants from all over the world here in the UK. But only one group of immigrants has so far taken to carrying out suicide attacks against their fellow citizens. Nor do the Hindu, Sikh, Buddhist or any other religions demonstrate levels of violence and overt supremacism that we find in our Muslim communities. We have now at least two thousand young Muslims who have passed through terrorist training camps in Pakistan and Afghanistan and the police and security services are engaged in a constant struggle to break up and prosecute terrorist plots.
I guess none of this matters though to some of you guys though. Some of you seem totally uninterested in why it should be that we have this problem. You don't seem to accept that every country on the planet with a significant Muslim minority, let alone a majority, has a terrorism problem. It's not just the West.
At some point you are going to have to face this fact, and to reach beyond the normal 'Bush lied! People died!' 'Israel is terrorism' stuff in search of a rational explanation for the Islamically motivated violence that can be seen in every country in world where there are Muslims.
In earlier posts I argued that the Koran contained descriptions of Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. The individual with whom I was arguing thought that was OK because, after all, it's only the Jews, right? I hope that what he meant by that was that Israel is, as he sees it, the source of resentment among Arabs and Muslims. My point about the Koranic injunction to regard Jews, Christians and polytheists as dirty animals is that it predates the establishment of Israel by a vote in the United Nations by over 1000 years. In other words this is a hatred that cannot be excused by 20 century events.
On a side note: I don't support the Beth Din courts, I regard it as impossible for a nation state to cohere and remain a single entity if more than one legal system is in operation. This is why I oppose sharia courts whose judgements are legally enforceable in British courts. Which is the situation we have today. And, if you think that Muslim communities will not come under serious pressure to submit themselves to these courts rather than to British ones then you really do not have any understanding of modern Britain. More and more of criminal law will be dealt with by these courts over time and in fact the time will come, unless the situation is put right, when British courts defer to sharia courts in matters pertaining to Muslims even when judgements therein are in opposition to English law.
I guess none of this matters though to some of you guys though. Some of you seem totally uninterested in why it should be that we have this problem. You don't seem to accept that every country on the planet with a significant Muslim minority, let alone a majority, has a terrorism problem. It's not just the West.
At some point you are going to have to face this fact, and to reach beyond the normal 'Bush lied! People died!' 'Israel is terrorism' stuff in search of a rational explanation for the Islamically motivated violence that can be seen in every country in world where there are Muslims.
In earlier posts I argued that the Koran contained descriptions of Jews and Christians as apes and pigs. The individual with whom I was arguing thought that was OK because, after all, it's only the Jews, right? I hope that what he meant by that was that Israel is, as he sees it, the source of resentment among Arabs and Muslims. My point about the Koranic injunction to regard Jews, Christians and polytheists as dirty animals is that it predates the establishment of Israel by a vote in the United Nations by over 1000 years. In other words this is a hatred that cannot be excused by 20 century events.
On a side note: I don't support the Beth Din courts, I regard it as impossible for a nation state to cohere and remain a single entity if more than one legal system is in operation. This is why I oppose sharia courts whose judgements are legally enforceable in British courts. Which is the situation we have today. And, if you think that Muslim communities will not come under serious pressure to submit themselves to these courts rather than to British ones then you really do not have any understanding of modern Britain. More and more of criminal law will be dealt with by these courts over time and in fact the time will come, unless the situation is put right, when British courts defer to sharia courts in matters pertaining to Muslims even when judgements therein are in opposition to English law.
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