BF2S Forums Pakistan troops ordered to open fire on US raiders

Military people are weird.  It defo PTSD.

m3thod wrote:

Military people are weird.  It defo PTSD.

true.  suicide bombers dont have to worry about ptsd i reckon.

nothing gets past you marine, i'll give you that.

rdx-fx wrote:

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/A/AS_PAKISTAN?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2008-09-16-18-34-22

AP Article Linked Above wrote:

ISLAMABAD, Pakistan (AP) -- Pakistan's army said Tuesday that its forces have orders to open fire if U.S. troops launch another raid across the Afghan border, raising the stakes in a dispute over how to tackle militant havens in Pakistan's unruly border zone.

I'll withhold my personal opinion on this one for now.  My personal dislike for the Pakistani military & intelligence services is overshadowing my common sense at the moment.

A lot of news reports lately have suggested that the US have been carelessly incurring the deaths of civilians during some of these raids. If this is indeed the case then I can understand why the Pakistanis would take this stance, I'd expect the same from the US military if the shoe were on the other foot.

That being said, I wouldn't rule out the possibility that maybe they are close to a big player in the world of AQ in the region and that perhaps some of the powers that be in Pakistan don't want them found by the US.

lowing wrote:

I hope everyone is sitting down..........ya ready? Ok:

I have to agree with Pakistan's reasoning here. If Pakistan is your "ally" then respect her borders, if they are not, then declare war and do what you will.

We would go nuts if shit like this happened here so I can in no way fault Pakistan's attitude toward this shit.

Holyshit i find myself agreeing with lowing

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

I hope everyone is sitting down..........ya ready? Ok:

I have to agree with Pakistan's reasoning here. If Pakistan is your "ally" then respect her borders, if they are not, then declare war and do what you will.

We would go nuts if shit like this happened here so I can in no way fault Pakistan's attitude toward this shit.

Wow. Lowing see's the light. Maybe the Mayans were right, the world is about to end.

No, he must just be trippin'.  The world does not seem right at the moment, maybe some weird magnetic flux in his area or something.

Given the history of Pakistan in regards to their border security and pursuit of baddies, I have to disagree with guys on this.  Like someone said earlier, put up or shut up and get out of the way.

We have asked for permission, no? 

They have a corrupt local government and they are incapable of carrying out the missions we have asked them to do. 

What do we do?  Just keep sitting at the border waiting for them to just walk on over to us and surrender?  Not me, lets go get them bastards.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

ATG wrote:

Those are terrovillians.

They should hand over OBL or stfu.

Pakistan aren't terror-villains. If they do have Osama, I doubt they would be harbouring a known terrorist, just to piss the US off and play cat and mouse on their sovereign border.

You do know what it means to recognise a border, don't you? You move from one into the other with a military force, it's usually considered an act of war.

If the Pakistan army came screaming out of the hills and invaded Afghanistan the US would, what, side with Afghanistan? I don't think so.

Your best bet is to accept a few simple rules from the Paki's, such as staying the fuck away from crossing into their territory, so you can actually work together for a change.

Swinging your dicks all over Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and then where, India? Gimme a break.

Nah, Australia has better weather and coastlines, and the subjects- I mean population already speak English.  Sort of.  That is my vote for next target.

Last edited by imortal (2008-09-18 11:01:31)

imortal wrote:

lowing wrote:

I hope everyone is sitting down..........ya ready? Ok:

I have to agree with Pakistan's reasoning here. If Pakistan is your "ally" then respect her borders, if they are not, then declare war and do what you will.

We would go nuts if shit like this happened here so I can in no way fault Pakistan's attitude toward this shit.

No, we wouldn't.  Rather, we haven't.  There have been multiple incursions into our country by the Mexican army, but no uproar.

Really? link please. Never heard about the Mexican Army battling on American soil as of late.

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

http://www.sanmigueldirectory.com/article80.html

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11226144

http://www.dailybulletin.com/ci_3430815

http://clipmarks.com/clipmark/528453E3- … B4645533F/


http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&am … &meta=

Hmmmm, if this is offical Mexican govt. policy then it is an act of war. If these "soldiers" were corrupt and acting outside offical govt. policy then it would be a different matter. Appreciate the info anyway, never knew this was happening.

OK. there is some shit here that needs to be clarified.

"pakistan hasn't done shit to fight the taliban, etc"

heres a small snippet http://intellibriefs.blogspot.com/2007/ … -army.html

that page claims there are 100,000+ soldiers along the Afghani border, ive read 80,000 elsewhere. thats a significant proportion of the overall military, especially when there are constant tensions w/ neighboring India.

We've also lost a shitload of troops - several thousand - fighting insurgents along the border. you can go around looking at various sources if you want exact numbers. there are constant reports of militants being killed as well. so you cant really say that the army just sits on its ass all day. The air force has gotten pretty involved as well, in providing daytime strikes on targets. problem with our F-16s is that they can only deliver precise ground attacks in good visibility during the day.

if the U.S. keeps up with these unauthorised raids, things are just going to escalate, and thats really not good considering both nations involved have nuclear weapons. i dont know what the best way forward is, because there are obviously some sympathizers in the pak army which makes everything extremely complicated. probably best for the U.S. to stay on their side of the border, let things calm down, and just give everything some time.

Also, for those doubting whether pakistan is just another Iran/Iraq/N. Korea....Pakistan is the most active UN peacekeeping force, supplying more soldiers/observers than any other nation in the world.

FEOS wrote:

Pakistan would likely have better luck fighting the extremists if the ISI wasn't in league with the Taliban and other fundamentalist extremist groups.

The walk a fine line with some in the public too. I know they want to fight the extremists, and be 'on our side' in some ways, they have the hard liners to deal with.

BTW Pakistan is questioning the accuracy of the story in OP

While this month's air strikes have passed with only comment from the Pakistan army, fears of a U.S.-Pakistan confrontation were sparked on Sept. 16 by media reports that Pakistani paramilitary troops may have fired warning shots to prevent U.S. military helicopters from returning to Angoor Adda. The Pakistan army swiftly denied the incident. "The helicopters did not enter Pakistani territory and the Pakistan army did not do the firing," says Maj. Gen. Athar Abbas, the military's chief spokesman. "The firing was done by local Waziri tribesmen."

Still, the Associated Press followed up by reporting that the Pakistan army had issued fresh orders "to open fire on U.S. troops if they launch another raid across the Afghan border." Again, General Abbas, who was quoted in the story, disputes the claim: "The comments were taken out of context," he says. "There was no new order issued. As the army chief has said, we reserve the right to defend our territory and reply to aggression."

http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ … =rss-world

tahadar wrote:

Also, for those doubting whether pakistan is just another Iran/Iraq/N. Korea....Pakistan is the most active UN peacekeeping force, supplying more soldiers/observers than any other nation in the world.

That's true, Pakistan has a good history of being there to help out in many trouble spots :

* 2.1 Congo (August 1960 to May 1964)
    * 2.2 West New Guinea (October 1962 - April 1963)
    * 2.3 Yemen (January 1963 to September 1964)
    * 2.4 Namibia (April 1989 to March 1990)
    * 2.5 Kuwait (December 1991 to October 1993)
    * 2.6 Haiti (1993 to 1996)
    * 2.7 Cambodia (March 1992 to November 1993)
    * 2.8 Bosnia (March 1992 to February 1996)
    * 2.9 Somalia (March 1992 to February 1996)
    * 2.10 Rwanda (October 1993 – March 1996)
    * 2.11 Angola (February 1995 to June 1997)
    * 2.12 Eastern Slavonia (May 1996 – August 1997)
    * 2.13 Sierra Leone (October 1999 to December 2005)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_peaceke … g_Pakistan

Last edited by Vax (2008-09-19 18:50:32)

Actually a more appropriate parallel would be saying that if the US went into Mexico to kill some of these smugglers but ended up killing some random Mexicans instead. Of course the Mexicans would protest, but if the Mexican army weren't doing enough than what other option is there? Especially if alot of the Mexican army and their support groups or w/e are in connection with the drug smugglers. There's not much you can do to co-operate with them.

You could switch it around and say that it's US smugglers doing shit in Mexico etc..

Funny thing though, is that the US are willing to defend Afghanistans border much more than their owns. And it's a quite similar situation if not worse. We all know that all those drugs is damaging the US far more than any Generic Jihad Joe could dream of.

"I would rather live in the dark ages under the Taleban than be subservient to any foreign power."

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/programmes/f … 623097.stm

I wish I could say "Fuck them, let the Taliban take over their country if they don't care, why should we"

But

Pakistan has nukes.

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-09-20 07:59:24)