Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|7161|Salt Lake City

I couldn't find anything with a search, so I have a question(s) about weapons.

What we do know.

1) The assualt rifles have their own classification.
2) Shotguns have their own classification.
3) Pistols have their own classification.
4) machine guns (sub & light) have their own classification.

So my question kind of has two parts.

Is it the Support class or MP5 of the AT that class classifies as a "carbine", or what exactly is classified under this category?  I'm thinking it can't be the Medic or Spec Op classes because my kills for those classes are far beyond that of my kills listed with carbines, and since my stats clearly show that these kills were not grenades, mines, claymores, or C4, that isn't it either.  I would also think that the Support class weapon would at least fall under one of the machine gun categories, like the light machine gun.

Under what classification do the mounted/Humvee MGs go under, and what about things like the LAV or anti-air guns?

Just trying to understand the stats better, and any help would be appreciated.

Last edited by Agent_Dung_Bomb (2006-01-19 15:25:28)

Sh4rkb1t3
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+6|7110
Carbine is any SpecOps weapon.  All medic weapons, including L8AG1 and G36E are classified as assault rifles.
stryyker
bad touch
+1,682|7145|California

Carbine is a smaller version of a bigger gun, I.E G3 series spawned the G36 series
AK-47 - AK-74u

etc
Agent_Dung_Bomb
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+302|7161|Salt Lake City

Okay, thanks guys.
morbesso666
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+0|7189|Givataim, Israel
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Carlos Hathcock Jr
+7|7137|'Ull, Yorkshire, England

stryyker wrote:

Carbine is a smaller version of a bigger gun, I.E G3 series spawned the G36 series
AK-47 - AK-74u

etc
Actually the G3 is the German armies old standard rifle, the G36 is their current one. The G36 has several variants - one of which is the G36K (K for Kurz or Carbine) Other variants include the G36C (Commando), G36E (Export version) and MG36 (Light Machine Gun) - all of these i'm sure you know from BF2 (except for the G36 which only differs from the G36E in having a 3.5x Scope as opposed to the 1.5x scope of the G36E - the other G36 variants all have 3.5x scopes as well) In case you wondered - the G3 has a carbine version - the G3KA4 - as well as many other variants. The one featured in BF2 is a G3A3.
KevinB550
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+5|7141

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Under what classification do the mounted/Humvee MGs go under, and what about things like the LAV or anti-air guns?

Just trying to understand the stats better, and any help would be appreciated.
Humvee .50-cals are counted as transport still, ground-mounted MG's are ground defense, LAV-25 is armor even if you're in a side gunner slot, and anti-air, (both stinger/IGLA emplacement and vehicles like the Linebacker/Tunguska) are all lumped under air defense.

And in case you were confused (not sure if you were or not) the support main guns like the SAW, RPK and PKM are light machine guns, and AT guns like MP5 and PP-19 are submachineguns.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7110|Espoo, Finland
Since ther is already a thread for this I ask here:

Is G36E Carbine or Assault-Rifle? (couldn't really figure it out from your post =FDX=VEga)

I always thought that those Burst guns that medics have (M16 and G36E) were the Carbines but since my ratio isn't increasing at all when I play medic i figured it can't be.

So, are all the spec ops guns (unlocks from BF2 and SF also) Carbines?
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Carlos Hathcock Jr
+7|7137|'Ull, Yorkshire, England
G36E is an Assault Rifle (its the export version of the G36 which is also an assault rifle). The M4, G36C, AK-74U, QBZ-97 and SCAR-L are classed as carbines in this game.

In real life the M4 is essentially a carbine version of the M16. The AK-74U is a shortened AK-74 (U for Ukorochennyj - Russian for shortened). The QBZ-97 in the game is a compact version of the QBZ-97 assault rifle. The G36C is not the carbine version of the G36 series but infact the 'Commando' version which is in fact smaller than the G36K.

The SCAR-L is not essentially a carbine as it is not derived from another weapon, it's a completely new design which won the contract from the US SOCOM (Special Operations COMmand) for its new SCAR project (SCAR stands for SOF Combat Assault Rifle) The Rifle Mark 16 is what the SCAR-L is actually called (SCAR was the name of the project, now that this design won it has been given a Navy designation) and the SCAR-H is known as the Rifle Mark 17. It should also be noted that a SCAR-L can be converted to a SCAR-H in the field by changing the Upper and Lower Receivers, Barrel and Bolt.

If you need to know how weapons are classified in game just check the BF2 Wiki -

http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons

Hope my reply helped answer your question.
WolfSheep
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+0|7084|Germany

stryyker wrote:

Carbine is a smaller version of a bigger gun, I.E G3 series spawned the G36 series
AK-47 - AK-74u

etc
As said before: The G3 was the standart assault rifle for the german army until it got detached by the G36 1997. The rifles are very different, so it's incorrect to think it's just "Version 6" of the G3.

The G36 is issued to the "simple soldier", G36k mainly for paratroopers ("Fallschirmjäger"), military police ("Feldjäger") and infantry ("Jäger"), the G36c almost never gets to other hands than the special forces, being the KSK ("Kommando Spezialkräfte") and the german counterpart to US SEAL, the "Kampfschwimmer" (being a naval force, but at the army branch). No need to say that the special forces simply get whatever they want.
The G36e (or G36v as sometimes calles) is used by the spanish army for example, this weapon is not used by the german military.

Don't think I'm a smartass, wrote this out of boredom...
Being ex-military myself I just wanted to tell you some facts about the real background.
Feel free to ignore this posting.

Edit: I hope my english doesn't suck too bad.

Last edited by WolfSheep (2006-02-02 04:56:15)

Octavarium
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+1|7135
The term "Carbine" originates from a french term and simply means:

"A lightweight Rifle with a short(end) barrel"
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Carlos Hathcock Jr
+7|7137|'Ull, Yorkshire, England
Cheers for the experienced information Wolfsheep, pretty much the same as the stuff I put in my original post.
WolfSheep
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+0|7084|Germany

=FDX=VEga wrote:

Cheers for the experienced information Wolfsheep, pretty much the same as the stuff I put in my original post.
Erm, are we reading the same forum?
You were writing about the different specs of the weapons - I simply wrote about who is carrying these rifles in real life. I don't see any similar information in our postings, except that we are talking about the same weapons.

What's your point?
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Carlos Hathcock Jr
+7|7137|'Ull, Yorkshire, England
I was referring to what you said about the G36 series being a replacement for the G3 series, rather than a carbine version. I was also referring to you saying about the G36E being used by the Spanish army (something which I did mention because I only said it was the Export version)

If you thought i was trying to criticise your post then I apologise but you were wrong, I was merely stating these points.
Gawwad
My way or Haddaway!
+212|7110|Espoo, Finland

=FDX=VEga wrote:

G36E is an Assault Rifle (its the export version of the G36 which is also an assault rifle). The M4, G36C, AK-74U, QBZ-97 and SCAR-L are classed as carbines in this game.

In real life the M4 is essentially a carbine version of the M16. The AK-74U is a shortened AK-74 (U for Ukorochennyj - Russian for shortened). The QBZ-97 in the game is a compact version of the QBZ-97 assault rifle. The G36C is not the carbine version of the G36 series but infact the 'Commando' version which is in fact smaller than the G36K.

The SCAR-L is not essentially a carbine as it is not derived from another weapon, it's a completely new design which won the contract from the US SOCOM (Special Operations COMmand) for its new SCAR project (SCAR stands for SOF Combat Assault Rifle) The Rifle Mark 16 is what the SCAR-L is actually called (SCAR was the name of the project, now that this design won it has been given a Navy designation) and the SCAR-H is known as the Rifle Mark 17. It should also be noted that a SCAR-L can be converted to a SCAR-H in the field by changing the Upper and Lower Receivers, Barrel and Bolt.

If you need to know how weapons are classified in game just check the BF2 Wiki -

http://wiki.bf2s.com/weapons

Hope my reply helped answer your question.
Thanks!
Got all the info I needed

Now I gotto go and get my carbine KD up ->

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