I do NOT agree with you on the L85 I have used it for a long time and i think it is a good upgrade. If you want to snipe with it use the single shot and have 0.5 sec between each shot I have been making a LOT of kills with it. just get used to that thing and you rock and roll baby (especially on Sharqi)
SCAR-L: if u know how to use it, it rocks
L85A1: on the medium-long distance is great
L85A1: on the medium-long distance is great
Try to always aim for the head and you will find the G36C to be great even in CQC. 2-3 shots to the head and you emerge victorious.RAIMIUS wrote:
G36C is a great gun. I might even say the best unlock. It is EXTREMELY accurate. I have been killed in a duel at range, while I was a sniper...(shame)...It is one of the few rifles that is still deadly accurate on full auto. But at close range, it can be weak.
It is used in the same way as the G36C, except it is less accurate.mpec82 wrote:
SCAR-L: if u know how to use it, it rocks
L85A1: on the medium-long distance is great
L85A1: Too weak for long distance
To be fair I reckon g36 whether your medic or spec ops is the way to go, its so freakin accurate its crazy, On stalemate I was 236m away from a flay and someone was trying to cap it, crouching I shot him 3 times, hit every time and killed the mofo! Serious if it starts with g36 its FTW
which is why the G36E is a one hit kill headshot weapon.madsmao wrote:
Try to always aim for the head and you will find the G36C to be great even in CQC. 2-3 shots to the head and you emerge victorious.
So is the M16A2
Don't you guys get it? None of the unlocks are spectularly better than their predcessors. It's all about finding the weapon you are comfortable with. Minimal differences in power and ROF are never going to make a significant diiference, except in the rare battles where it comes down to one or two bars of health.
Most of the time in BF2 it comes down to long range shots when someone is sprinting by you off in the distance, or getting the jump on someone.
If you want a fast action shotgun, unlock it.
If you want a rifle to TK your teammates for vehicles, unlock it.
If you want flashbangs grenades, unlock it.
Point being, unlock for the gun, not the negligible statistical differences.
Most of the time in BF2 it comes down to long range shots when someone is sprinting by you off in the distance, or getting the jump on someone.
If you want a fast action shotgun, unlock it.
If you want a rifle to TK your teammates for vehicles, unlock it.
If you want flashbangs grenades, unlock it.
Point being, unlock for the gun, not the negligible statistical differences.
This guide was good, but with so many inaccuracies.
1. The L85A1, is by far superior to any other medic weapon (except maybe the AK101), the single shot feature on this rifle is awesome and makes it pretty much a sniper rifle, and the recoil isn't that bad if used properly, i.e in short bursts rather than just spraying.
2. The F2000 is a probably one of the best weapons in the game, again if used "properly". I dont think any weapon in this game can compare to this at medium distance it takes three well placed bullets to kill and don't forget the nade launcher is very useful against jeeps and sometimes infantry aswell
3. In my opinion the Jackhammer is a very overated weapon, and even though it is a good alternative it is only for the fact that it allows you to unlock the MP7, which is a real alternative to the original shottys. What i mean is the original pump action shotguns are great and take at maximum 2 shots to kill an enemy, and if your close enough it only takes 1 shot, even though the jachammer is rapid firing it probably still takes about the same time to kill an enemy with it as using the pump action shotguns, because you have to wait for the shotgun to restabilize after each shot otherwise you'll end up trying to shoot birds out of the sky by your 3rd shot.
4. Generally i like all the weapons in the game and to give a real guide on unlocks you should include the point that in some maps and situations its better to go back to the original weapons rather than using the unlocks.
e.g. M95 is not particular useful on city maps due to big crosshairs and m24/svd is probably the better option.
e.g.2. on maps like dalian plant i find that the DAO-12 is useless as most of combat is medium-long range, and even though the stock AT weapons aren't great at medium range they are better than the DAO (which you will NEVER hit at medium range as its bullets go outwards the further they get from the gun, where at least with an SMG you can hit at medium distance).
1. The L85A1, is by far superior to any other medic weapon (except maybe the AK101), the single shot feature on this rifle is awesome and makes it pretty much a sniper rifle, and the recoil isn't that bad if used properly, i.e in short bursts rather than just spraying.
2. The F2000 is a probably one of the best weapons in the game, again if used "properly". I dont think any weapon in this game can compare to this at medium distance it takes three well placed bullets to kill and don't forget the nade launcher is very useful against jeeps and sometimes infantry aswell
3. In my opinion the Jackhammer is a very overated weapon, and even though it is a good alternative it is only for the fact that it allows you to unlock the MP7, which is a real alternative to the original shottys. What i mean is the original pump action shotguns are great and take at maximum 2 shots to kill an enemy, and if your close enough it only takes 1 shot, even though the jachammer is rapid firing it probably still takes about the same time to kill an enemy with it as using the pump action shotguns, because you have to wait for the shotgun to restabilize after each shot otherwise you'll end up trying to shoot birds out of the sky by your 3rd shot.
4. Generally i like all the weapons in the game and to give a real guide on unlocks you should include the point that in some maps and situations its better to go back to the original weapons rather than using the unlocks.
e.g. M95 is not particular useful on city maps due to big crosshairs and m24/svd is probably the better option.
e.g.2. on maps like dalian plant i find that the DAO-12 is useless as most of combat is medium-long range, and even though the stock AT weapons aren't great at medium range they are better than the DAO (which you will NEVER hit at medium range as its bullets go outwards the further they get from the gun, where at least with an SMG you can hit at medium distance).
Last edited by mjw (2006-01-21 12:10:16)
haha i use the l85 alot and it rocks
The G36E is nowhere near the M16. The M16, is not as accurate, cool looking and generaly a 133t gun that the G36E is. Also, the M16 on BF2 looks and sounds like a toy.
Plus, I dissagree with what you say about most of the other guns. I guess you don't have much skill at using them. I've been killed more times by G3's than M16's so that show's you are wrong.
Plus, I dissagree with what you say about most of the other guns. I guess you don't have much skill at using them. I've been killed more times by G3's than M16's so that show's you are wrong.
Last edited by idiotofwar (2006-01-21 14:07:21)
G3 is really good, after I got my kills almost dubbled with it, so what if it just got 20 shots in a clip it still rock.
G36C and G36E are almost the same upset that you can go full auto on G36C and G36E has more dmg than G36C.
G36C and G36E are almost the same upset that you can go full auto on G36C and G36E has more dmg than G36C.
Sorry man, you don't know anything about this game.idiotofwar wrote:
The G36E is nowhere near the M16. The M16, is not as accurate, cool looking and generaly a 133t gun that the G36E is. Also, the M16 on BF2 looks and sounds like a toy.
Plus, I dissagree with what you say about most of the other guns. I guess you don't have much skill at using them. I've been killed more times by G3's than M16's so that show's you are wrong.
Kill someone who was using an M16A2 with a G36E. Go over to his kit bag, and take note of the size of your target reticle. Now press G. Take note of the size of your new target reticle. THEY ARE THE SAME SIZE, SO THE ACCUACY IS THE SAME.
Hmm, I've been killed more times by pistols and knives than I have been killed by AT rockets. That must mean pistols and knives are better weapons. Nice logic you got going there pal. You can't assume one thing is better than another if you have been killed by them more often. LOOK AT THE STATS OF THE WEAPONS TO DETERMINE HOW ACCURATE THEY ARE.
The M16A2 is already pretty good, but the G36E improves on it in every way - It's just an incredible gun.
I like ur advice, I agree with most of what you said.....I wish I read it, before I picked the L85A1 upgrade for the medic.
I got the unlock, and couldnt hit squat, so Im sticking with the M16 / AK 101 if I play medic.
For the G3, I find it's better to use it at semi auto during medium to long range. At close range, it's very deadly, but be sure that you have a full magazine. I use the G3 at Matshur City.
I got the unlock, and couldnt hit squat, so Im sticking with the M16 / AK 101 if I play medic.
For the G3, I find it's better to use it at semi auto during medium to long range. At close range, it's very deadly, but be sure that you have a full magazine. I use the G3 at Matshur City.
The G3 can't hit at long range... its just too inaccurate.
Never underestimate the L85(although it is far to inaccurate for me when I bump into an enemy just around the corner). Didnt EA say they were going to "adjust" the accuracy for the L85 in the next patch?
I find the SCAR-L to be deadlier than the G36C (don't know why, it just drops more opponents than the G36C when I use it).
Its people that TK teammate with the M95 to get a chopper that give the M95 a bad name. I use the M95 over all of the sniper rifles on every map and usually only use the glass breaking feature of it to kill the drivers of vodniks and humvees.
With the jackhammer remember 1 thing...it shoulds all 7 of its rounds in about 1 sec!!!! Forget trying to get the most out of each shot like you would with the pump actions and only hit the guy with part of each of the 7 shots. Odds are you will kill the guy 2-3 times over with one magazine at short-short/mid ranges, anything longer and all classes have a pistol...use it.
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the advice at the start was excelent (remember people these are his opinions so they may not fit your opinions of the weapons exactly)
If you just bought the game consider downloading the demo and use the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 glitch (use the search or google for more details) in the singleplayer mode, and test all of the original unlocks for yourself (the performance of each unlock has changed a little since the game's release but the demo will help you learn if you like the unlock or not)
I find the SCAR-L to be deadlier than the G36C (don't know why, it just drops more opponents than the G36C when I use it).
Its people that TK teammate with the M95 to get a chopper that give the M95 a bad name. I use the M95 over all of the sniper rifles on every map and usually only use the glass breaking feature of it to kill the drivers of vodniks and humvees.
With the jackhammer remember 1 thing...it shoulds all 7 of its rounds in about 1 sec!!!! Forget trying to get the most out of each shot like you would with the pump actions and only hit the guy with part of each of the 7 shots. Odds are you will kill the guy 2-3 times over with one magazine at short-short/mid ranges, anything longer and all classes have a pistol...use it.
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the advice at the start was excelent (remember people these are his opinions so they may not fit your opinions of the weapons exactly)
If you just bought the game consider downloading the demo and use the 1,1,1,1,1,1,1 glitch (use the search or google for more details) in the singleplayer mode, and test all of the original unlocks for yourself (the performance of each unlock has changed a little since the game's release but the demo will help you learn if you like the unlock or not)
Last edited by the_ubernoob_ (2006-01-21 15:38:45)
The only SF unlock i have used at all is the F2000 to get around the burst assault rifle, and for use of flashbangs so I wont really touch on SF unlocks but i really disagree with your vanilla unlocks breakdown....
L85A1 - Is a VERY GOOD medic unlock, especially if you play USMC a lot you can get around the burst of the M16. I usually use this gun on single shot from longer range and the scope helps you take out enemies easily. Of course if you end up face to face with someone holding an Ak101 you might not win that fight, but in all honesty the medic should be behind his squad anyway ready to revive and finish what they dont kill not running around blasting people (this is where the accuracy of the L85 on one shot comes in very handy)
G3 - I partially agree that the smaller clip and lack of nade launcher puts a damper on the assault kit when using this unlock, but you cant say "it sucks" because some people get VERY good with it, and easily 1-2 shot every target they see, and the sight is not terrible thats just ignorant.
M95 - Is the SAME GOD DAMN DAMMAGE AS THE M24 for the 100th time. The difference between the two is the M95 can pierce cockpit glass, and is less accurate at long range. Personally my favorite sniper rifle is the M24 by far. Although this is a nice alternative for MEC and PLA players.
PKM - I agree fully with you, this gun is badass and a nice upgrade for any support player, especially if you play USMC or PLA (the stock MEC support gun isnt to bad).
DAO - I love it, because lets face is the stock A/T guns suck. Be prepared to use pistol or rockets for long range though as was already mentioned.
Jackhammer - This one is a decent unlock but its not for everyone. Many people (like myself) love the pump action shotguns of the PLA and USMC because they are an easy one shot kill if aimed right. The jackhammer does offer slightly more dammage than the MEC stock when comparing automatic shotguns, and if you just suck with the pump actions guns this one is for you. Also consider when spending an unlock on the jackhammer how much time you spend on foot as engineer. I unlocked it as one of my last simply because i use the engineer to man a tank/apc etc... and rarely run around on food as engineer.
G36C - YUM! It is very accurate, mainly because it has next to no recoil. You can have it on one shot at a long range fire 3 bullets and all hit. This is a MUST have for any specop player. As a new player i disliked it a bit at first because of the ironsight vs. the lazer, but trust me you will get used to the ironsight after a little bit of use and this gun is probably one of the best long range killers. I just finished my 100hrs for expert specop and the only time i didnt use G36C was when i just loaded and forgot to hit the arrows for unlock
Lastly, dont unlock a gun for a kit you dont play guys. If you play medic, unlock the L85, for support players unlock the PKM, no matter what someone says about an unlock it wont make you godly to pick it up and run around with a kit your not used to.
Srry sharkbite but I had to clear up some of that stuff, I hate to overshadow someone on their own thread but you made some blatant errors and generalizations about otherwise awesome guns.
L85A1 - Is a VERY GOOD medic unlock, especially if you play USMC a lot you can get around the burst of the M16. I usually use this gun on single shot from longer range and the scope helps you take out enemies easily. Of course if you end up face to face with someone holding an Ak101 you might not win that fight, but in all honesty the medic should be behind his squad anyway ready to revive and finish what they dont kill not running around blasting people (this is where the accuracy of the L85 on one shot comes in very handy)
G3 - I partially agree that the smaller clip and lack of nade launcher puts a damper on the assault kit when using this unlock, but you cant say "it sucks" because some people get VERY good with it, and easily 1-2 shot every target they see, and the sight is not terrible thats just ignorant.
M95 - Is the SAME GOD DAMN DAMMAGE AS THE M24 for the 100th time. The difference between the two is the M95 can pierce cockpit glass, and is less accurate at long range. Personally my favorite sniper rifle is the M24 by far. Although this is a nice alternative for MEC and PLA players.
PKM - I agree fully with you, this gun is badass and a nice upgrade for any support player, especially if you play USMC or PLA (the stock MEC support gun isnt to bad).
DAO - I love it, because lets face is the stock A/T guns suck. Be prepared to use pistol or rockets for long range though as was already mentioned.
Jackhammer - This one is a decent unlock but its not for everyone. Many people (like myself) love the pump action shotguns of the PLA and USMC because they are an easy one shot kill if aimed right. The jackhammer does offer slightly more dammage than the MEC stock when comparing automatic shotguns, and if you just suck with the pump actions guns this one is for you. Also consider when spending an unlock on the jackhammer how much time you spend on foot as engineer. I unlocked it as one of my last simply because i use the engineer to man a tank/apc etc... and rarely run around on food as engineer.
G36C - YUM! It is very accurate, mainly because it has next to no recoil. You can have it on one shot at a long range fire 3 bullets and all hit. This is a MUST have for any specop player. As a new player i disliked it a bit at first because of the ironsight vs. the lazer, but trust me you will get used to the ironsight after a little bit of use and this gun is probably one of the best long range killers. I just finished my 100hrs for expert specop and the only time i didnt use G36C was when i just loaded and forgot to hit the arrows for unlock
Lastly, dont unlock a gun for a kit you dont play guys. If you play medic, unlock the L85, for support players unlock the PKM, no matter what someone says about an unlock it wont make you godly to pick it up and run around with a kit your not used to.
Srry sharkbite but I had to clear up some of that stuff, I hate to overshadow someone on their own thread but you made some blatant errors and generalizations about otherwise awesome guns.
Actually you are incorrect about the G36C - check the wiki. It is identical to the USMC and PLA carbines.
You really need to get your facts straight about the F2000. Check the wiki. It is just an AK with more recoil and weaker.
You really need to get your facts straight about the F2000. Check the wiki. It is just an AK with more recoil and weaker.
He wasn't trying to post the PERFECT ULTIMATE SUPER UBER ENDALL GUIDE TO UNLOCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!!! He didn't make any errors (except maybe saying that the M95 is more powerfull than the M24..I use it all the time and it is used against me, they both leave you with 2 bars). He was posting his oppinions on ALL of the weapons.
I think the opinions are great for the new players that are still green and don't know which kits they will use most often yet. His opinions aren't perfect....THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED OPINIONS!!!
good job sharkbite. you posted an awesome guide/review thing that gives people an idea how each gun works in the hands of an average player (not one that knows how to use it "right")
I think the opinions are great for the new players that are still green and don't know which kits they will use most often yet. His opinions aren't perfect....THATS WHY THEY ARE CALLED OPINIONS!!!
good job sharkbite. you posted an awesome guide/review thing that gives people an idea how each gun works in the hands of an average player (not one that knows how to use it "right")
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Good guide-thing, an interesting read. However it is my experiance that everybody just finds their own niche. I have weapons that I like, are powerful/accurate, but sometimes I just can't seem to use them right, so I try another one and find it works better. I unlocked the L85A1 for the sole purpose of getting the G36E, and I use this gun a hell of a lot, but sometimes it just dosn't cut it, and I find myself screwing up, so I try the L85A1 or the core weapon, and find I do better. Same with the F2000, (my only other SF unlock.)
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how much do you use the M16? probably neverryan_14 wrote:
This is all HIS opinion. So you could love the mp-7 and he could hate it. just cuz he says this stuff doesant mean u dont have to unlock those guns.
i find the g36e way better than the m16.
Ummm, that's 9% less deviation prone/zoomed and 15% less deviation per shot, I have no idea where you got the 3% figure. I would say 9% and 15% are very significant improvements.Sh4rkb1t3 wrote:
Because what looks good on paper isn't always good in practice. I thought some people would like to have an opinion about the unlocks.
Look at the Wiki to compare the M16A2 to the G36E.
Minimum Deviation (prone, zoomed):
M16A2: 0.24
G36E: 0.22
The difference is negligible.
Deviation per shot
M16A2: 0.20
G36E: 0.17
Once again, the difference is not noticible
Alright, the G36E is about 3% more accurate and stable than the M16A2. But is it REALLY worth the unlock?
Last edited by Atlas (2006-01-21 18:13:51)
A difference of 9% means about 10 pixles more spread on the screen - this means little. And anyway, both weapons get to become maximum deviation after 4 bursts.