ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
1929 The Great Crash Oct. 29 1929
Down loses 11.7% of its value.

The aftermath saw unemployment spike to 24.9%

1987 Black Monday  October 19 1987
Dow loses 22.6% of its value in one day.

Odd, there was no long term crisis and the economy recovered quickly. The only lesson may be one about the power of the media.


Post 9-11 crash  September 17 2001

Down crashes 684 points, or 7.1%

Effected travel and eateries much harder than other sectors of the economy.


One of the biggest differences between this a past recessions/crashes is that many of us here were just children. The parents felt the stress and uncertainty.

This is our recession, the one for our generation.

Sound familiar?

Last edited by ATG (2008-10-06 08:17:50)

usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7180

so what are you saying?
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6812|The Gem Saloon
i woke up and had three orders waiting for me.

recession?
could have fooled the hell out of me.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
That the media is making this worse trying to get Obama elected.

There have been worse stock drops and we did just fine.

Perhaps somebody would care to explain why we are being told the world teeters on the edge of an abyss?
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6812|The Gem Saloon

ATG wrote:

Perhaps somebody would care to explain why we are being told the world teeters on the edge of an abyss?
cause that shit sells, man....you know this.
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7180

Thats what I thought you were saying.  But then, you were the one making survival guides.  ir confused.
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
Their talking this way may push us into a meltdown and panic.

It's all over the news.


I am resisting the urge to cleanout my accounts. There are stories saying that by the middle of the week it may be too late.

Internet rumors regarding the meltdown were true. Is there reason to doubt that the rumors of soceital collapse by these same people might be true.
OrangeHound
Busy doing highfalutin adminy stuff ...
+1,335|7068|Washington DC

ATG wrote:

That the media is making this worse trying to get Obama elected.

There have been worse stock drops and we did just fine.

Perhaps somebody would care to explain why we are being told the world teeters on the edge of an abyss?
It is not because they are trying to get Obama elected ... that will happen regardless.

This is just what the media does.  It does something that I call "telescoping fear" ... the media finds a small fearful thing, and then makes it out to be something that is HUGE.  This is what sells newspapers, makes you watch the evening news, and makes you discuss it in forums.  They make money off our fears.

So, we have a mosquito or two that causes West Nile Virus and kills a person.   What does the media do?  They telescope on this one incident and then before we know it there is the assumption that there are billions of deadly mosquitoes biting our children and killing millions.

====

As for the economy, we have an unhealthy sector, but most other sectors are reasonably healthy.  The media telescopes fear, and suddenly 30-40% of Americans believe we are in the Great Depression ...  phhht ... I hate the MSM.
GorillaTicTacs
Member
+231|6792|Kyiv, Ukraine
I'll make room on my couch in Kyiv for anyone that wants to come live in a purely capitalistic libertarian hell-hole paradise (with free healthcare!).
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7180

internet and youtube are making sheep of people.  its sad really.  i realize not everyone can afford a subscription to janes.com, but people need to take shit with a grain of salt.  even family guy made fun of it last night........ "Its funny because its on the internet and im in college." 

it was a knock on dane cook but also had some underlying truth.

Last edited by usmarine (2008-10-06 08:46:55)

Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6960|Texas - Bigger than France

Parker wrote:

i woke up and had three orders waiting for me.

recession?
could have fooled the hell out of me.
You do knives right?

If the world goes to hell, people will buy new knives.
sergeriver
Cowboy from Hell
+1,928|7176|Argentina
Where are those who claimed the economy was OK now?  When someone farts in Washington you can smell it all around the wolrd, and GWB farted too much during the last 8 years.  God bless that fucker.
chittydog
less busy
+586|7253|Kubra, Damn it!

The media is 10X more sensational than it was back in '29, so you can't really blame that. We aren't seeing these huge spikes in unemployment because we have FDIC insurance now. That's why these crashes don't affect us as much. Sensible people (with < $100K) know their money is secure and are going to do anything foolish, like making a run on the bank. Unless you need that money to survive, leave it alone. It's not a loss until you cash out.
PureFodder
Member
+225|6704
If people weren't thinking it was a massive disaster, they wouldn't stand by and watch the government give stupid rich people hundreds of billions of dollars of public money.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7039|London, England
Question:

When governments say that they'll secure deposits in all accounts upto X amount of money. What's the likelihood of them not being able to come up with the goods, should (more like when) they need to. I mean, for all we know, they could just be chatting breeze in order to keep everyone calm. Then again, I'm no expert and maybe I'm just acting a little paranoid.

Wait...

Chancellor Alistair Darling says the government will do whatever necessary to ensure the stability of the financial system, but stops short of guaranteeing all UK bank savings.
oh shi-

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/7654525.stm

Last edited by Mek-Stizzle (2008-10-06 11:11:32)

Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6967|UK

Mek-Stizzle wrote:

I mean, for all we know, they could just be chatting breeze in order to keep everyone calm.
You got it.

I wouldnt worry, we are all screwed anyway.
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

Market your survival guide. Real money is made when there is blood in the streets. .. er something like that.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
topal63
. . .
+533|7137
Dow down - I wonder if the credit default swaps auction today (Oct 6, 2008) have anything to do with this drop?

FYI: http://www.nyse.com/press/circuit_breakers.html
In the event of a 1000-POINT decline in the DJIA (10 percent):
Before 2 p.m. 1-HOUR HALT
2-2:30 p.m. 30-MIN. HALT
After 2:30 p.m. NO HALT

In the event of a 2000-POINT decline in the DJIA (20 percent):
Before 1 p.m. 2-HOUR HALT
1-2 p.m. 1-HOUR HALT
After 2 p.m. MARKET CLOSES

In the event of a 3000-POINT decline in the DJIA (30 percent), regardless of the time, MARKET CLOSES for the day.
PS: The 1987 one day crash was a correction for a one year bull market frenzy. The correction was needed.
https://www.stock-market-crash.net/images/1987-crash.jpg

Last edited by topal63 (2008-10-06 11:52:23)

Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

Crude oil prices fell to $89.02 per barrel.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
unnamednewbie13
Moderator
+2,072|7190|PNW

Today's computerized market is subtly different from that of the early 20th century.
san4
The Mas
+311|7107|NYC, a place to live
The stock market crash isn't the problem, the problem is that individuals and businesses can't get loans. The media didn't cause that, the banks did.
BVC
Member
+325|7114
Could be a good time to buy stocks...
SealXo
Member
+309|6954

Pubic wrote:

Could be a good time to buy stocks...
'


pink sheet the fuck out of a undervalued company
otcs are where its at.
ive been waiting awhile for this to happen,
aj0404
It'll just be our little secret
+298|6768|Iowa...

san4 wrote:

The stock market crash isn't the problem, the problem is that individuals and businesses can't get loans. The media didn't cause that, the banks did.
only because Clinton and Obama forced them to give out loans that they knew people couldn't pay back, and it's coming back to bite everyone in the ass, the banks in particular.
san4
The Mas
+311|7107|NYC, a place to live

aj0404 wrote:

san4 wrote:

The stock market crash isn't the problem, the problem is that individuals and businesses can't get loans. The media didn't cause that, the banks did.
only because Clinton and Obama forced them to give out loans that they knew people couldn't pay back, and it's coming back to bite everyone in the ass, the banks in particular.
I don't think so. It's because banks and the people they did business with were highly leveraged. A downturn in the housing market is causing a crash only because banks loaned billions to people who invested it in risky securities.

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