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So the financial crisis is over and the economic crisis have started ... we passed a similar bill to Norwegian banks today, the government loans the banks about $70 billion in government bonds and at the same time commits the banks to treat people and businesses with respect ...

The banks gets a second chance and with that they have to give their customers a second chance ...

Varegg wrote:

So the financial crisis is over and the economic crisis have started ... we passed a similar bill to Norwegian banks today, the government loans the banks about $70 billion in government bonds and at the same time commits the banks to treat people and businesses with respect ...

The banks gets a second chance and with that they have to give their customers a second chance ...

I'd be interested in reading your plans verbiage. We were told similar. However looking in depth I don't see it. I'm not an expert. But I do have a reasonably sound financial background..lol. I did not see much in the way of consequence with ours.

topal63 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

Varegg wrote:

Nice to see the banks are putting people out of business, i thought the rescue plan was to prevent these things from happening ...

Sorry to hear this, hope you find a solution ...

Of the $250 billion, which will come from the $700 billion bailout approved by Congress, half is to be injected into nine big banks, including Citigroup, Bank of America, Wells Fargo, Goldman Sachs and JPMorgan Chase, officials said. The other half is to go to smaller banks and thrifts. The investments will be structured so that the government can benefit from a rebound in the banks’ fortunes.

The money has not worked into the system yet. This plan authorizes money to be spent in larger increments. The previous plan was 250 billion. I can't understand why we would do this without having more accountability FIRST. I read (almost) the entire bill and to be frank I was horrified. It saves the banks if they need it, but that doesn't mean they (the banks) still can't take your collateral/assets. Even though you as a taxpayer paid for their bailout.I don't know about you but I call that robbery. This isn't a welfare state. This isn't unfettered capitalism. This is something that presents itself as something much darker than both. It's a disgrace, and both of our Presidential Candidates supported it.

There is more to it - I mean even more disgrace to spread on your toast and eat it. It's all good! They're allowing the banks to delay the market bottom with ever more creative accounting procedures. How you say?

This will allow them to over-value assets on books - so that reserve ratios look better than the actually are. I say fuck it. Let's just do away with reserve requirements altogether - if we're going to allow banks to create a fiction from fiction let's make it a complete fiction. What's the problem then? No more credit crisis. Problem solved. Put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger. It's all good! I'm rambling am I not?

Someone is intentionally trying to slam all of the worlds currency. Time to face it.

I was surprised to see gold fell (big time) the last few days. It looks like it's making somewhat of a comeback today.

Kmarion wrote:

topal63 wrote:

Kmarion wrote:

The money has not worked into the system yet. This plan authorizes money to be spent in larger increments. The previous plan was 250 billion. I can't understand why we would do this without having more accountability FIRST. I read (almost) the entire bill and to be frank I was horrified. It saves the banks if they need it, but that doesn't mean they (the banks) still can't take your collateral/assets. Even though you as a taxpayer paid for their bailout.I don't know about you but I call that robbery. This isn't a welfare state. This isn't unfettered capitalism. This is something that presents itself as something much darker than both. It's a disgrace, and both of our Presidential Candidates supported it.

There is more to it - I mean even more disgrace to spread on your toast and eat it. It's all good! They're allowing the banks to delay the market bottom with ever more creative accounting procedures. How you say?

This will allow them to over-value assets on books - so that reserve ratios look better than the actually are. I say fuck it. Let's just do away with reserve requirements altogether - if we're going to allow banks to create a fiction from fiction let's make it a complete fiction. What's the problem then? No more credit crisis. Problem solved. Put a gun in my mouth and pull the trigger. It's all good! I'm rambling am I not?

Someone is intentionally trying to slam all of the worlds currency. Time to face it.

More bailout news!!!

It's hey, no rules; or is it gold rules?; or rather "what rules?" - argh!; I mean here's a lot of fecking money ... now spend it please, as you see fit.

Banks Weighing Other Uses for Bailout Money

Several major U.S. banks are leaning toward spending a portion of their federal rescue money on acquiring other financial firms rather than for issuing new loans, the primary purpose of the government's $250 billion initiative to invest in banks.

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IG-Calibre wrote:

Sorry to hear that ATG - specially when i've just been reading about the con's (literally!)  spending a hundred and fifty thousand dollars on  clothes which were bought not only for Sarah Palin, but for Trig and Todd and the rest of the family, too. she sure can relate to the plight of "Joe six-pack"and the rest of your nations hockey-moms..

Oh FFS. That has nothing to do with this. The RNC bought clothes for her and her family. From places she would never have shopped at prior. So yeah...she can certainly still relate to the average American.

Shit!  And I was going to hit you up for a loan.

A little "how it's made" segment would be cool.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

A little "how it's made" segment would be cool.

I have a couple of short videos I took with my phone that are uploading to youtube as I type.

usmarine mentioned branching out, and I agree. It's been something I have been working on for years.

If I had only abandoned installations four years ago and plunged headlong into the supply side, if I had only not tried to hold on. Of course, I had to; the installation side was Kurts baby, and after he died last year I was finally free to make all the decisions.
Keeping employees around hoping things are going to get better is a sure way to go broke.


This is a concept I came up with, based on a popular motif for a gutter bracket. Most cast gutter brackets are for half round raingutter, but 85% of gutters out there are ogee style, or a crown molding shape, aka " k " style. So I adapted one to fit most existing K style gutters.






The idea is that many people out there would like to upgrade, but don't want to scrap what they have. These should be able to be installed retro to a house.



Those patterns in the pictures above are laid on a table and a box is placed around it. It is filled with sand and the sand is molded to the shape of the piece being cast.



After we " finish " them by sanding the imperfections out and grinding away any flash they are tumbled for a few hours.



Finished product on a house. The curved gutters are a super sub specialty too.

Last edited by ATG (2008-10-26 23:00:30)