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2008-10-23 17:08:58
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7179

RIP

http://www.usatoday.com/news/military/2 … htm?csp=34

"A quarter-century later, the sergeant of the guard that morning says he can still see the face of the man driving the truck.
Sgt. Stephen Russell was sitting in his guard booth outside a barracks in Beirut. He was one of about 1,600 Marines who'd been sent to Lebanon as neutral peacekeepers but found little peace to keep. He says he heard something snap behind him and a diesel engine revving."
2008-10-23 17:14:34
God Save the Queen
Banned
+628|6761|tropical regions of london
Iran was 100% responsible.  undebatable
2008-10-23 17:24:24
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7018|132 and Bush

blowback
Xbone Stormsurgezz
2008-10-23 18:35:07
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6829|'Murka

It's Bush's fault.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-10-23 18:37:46
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7134
I remember the day... very cowardice... RIP
Love is the answer
2008-10-23 18:40:38
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
What, exactly did the Might Gipper do about it again?























Oh wait, it was jack shit, amirite?

( the Might Gipper = Ronald Reagan to you younger blokes )
2008-10-23 18:47:22
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7124|67.222.138.85

article wrote:

John Chipura, who luckily stopped to chat en route to the barracks, left the Marines and, like his father and brother, became a New York City fireman.

He was scheduled to get married in October 2001. But on Sept. 11, he was last seen running up into the south tower of the burning World Trade Center.
It's hard for me to believe we're all cast from the same mold when some of us turn out so goddamn much better.
2008-10-23 18:49:31
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

article wrote:

John Chipura, who luckily stopped to chat en route to the barracks, left the Marines and, like his father and brother, became a New York City fireman.

He was scheduled to get married in October 2001. But on Sept. 11, he was last seen running up into the south tower of the burning World Trade Center.
It's hard for me to believe we're all cast from the same mold when some of us turn out so goddamn much better.
Hate to sound like a cynic, but sometimes people just die doing their jobs.
2008-10-23 18:50:37
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7124|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

article wrote:

John Chipura, who luckily stopped to chat en route to the barracks, left the Marines and, like his father and brother, became a New York City fireman.

He was scheduled to get married in October 2001. But on Sept. 11, he was last seen running up into the south tower of the burning World Trade Center.
It's hard for me to believe we're all cast from the same mold when some of us turn out so goddamn much better.
Hate to sound like a cynic, but sometimes people just die doing their jobs.
The fact that it is there chosen career (not once, but twice) is kinda the point. They don't just get thrust into a situation, they put themselves there.
2008-10-23 18:55:46
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
My brother in law is a Long Beach fireman.

His current shifts consist of 2 24 hour days per week.
He has ample time to have a second career and a pension well beyond 99% of private sector jobs.



My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves. It is an awesome paying job with stupid benefits and frankly they are over glorified.
2008-10-23 18:58:44
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7179

ATG wrote:

My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves.
lol wow
2008-10-23 19:02:47
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7124|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

My brother in law is a Long Beach fireman.

His current shifts consist of 2 24 hour days per week.
He has ample time to have a second career and a pension well beyond 99% of private sector jobs.



My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves. It is an awesome paying job with stupid benefits and frankly they are over glorified.
See what happens when no one wants to do it.
2008-10-23 19:03:09
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command

usmarine wrote:

ATG wrote:

My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves.
lol wow
It's their fucking job.

The ceremony when cops and fire fighters die is really pukeifying.
2008-10-23 19:06:26
usmarine
Banned
+2,785|7179

ATG wrote:

The ceremony when cops and fire fighters die is really pukeifying.
you've gone off the deep end bro

https://www.ewetsuits.com/acatalog/adult-life-jacket-s.jpg
2008-10-23 19:07:59
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6829|'Murka

ATG wrote:

usmarine wrote:

ATG wrote:

My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves.
lol wow
It's their fucking job.

The ceremony when cops and fire fighters die is really pukeifying.
Unless the one being honored is a friend or family member.

Have you chosen a profession whose sole purpose is to serve others? And to willingly put your life on the line to protect others?
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein
Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
2008-10-23 19:42:57
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command
Go ahead pile on.

I love it when like a bunch of cops are at a news conference like when a case gets solved. They sit around smiling like whores to the camera lens, congratulating each other on their cooperation and team work, reading lists of names.

I'm always thinking to myself; " shut yer yaps and get back to Dunkins Doughnuts. "




" Public Servants " sign on to do a job.





Why are not Caltrans workers not glorified when they die? They know dying is part of the cost of doing business on the freeways and they go out there, time and again.


It is because they do not have the guilty conscious many firefighters and police officers have and do not have the need to justify their own existence with phony accolades for just doing their jobs. Police feel guilty ( or at least they should ) for having devolved into highway robbers, thugs for the land barons and goons and sometimes killers for hire, imo.

They are money collectors for the professional assholes aka politicians.

Fire fighters sometimes feel guilty because like my brother in law, they often collect full salary for sleeping.

I'm just saying, lets not elevate firefighters and police above what they are, which is social bee keepers and social janitors, at best, prospectively.
2008-10-23 19:47:08
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7124|67.222.138.85
Janitors are the social janitors. Sanitation engineers are social janitors. People who put a price on the only possession that is invaluable to them for the good of the whole are not social janitors.
2008-10-23 19:55:48
imortal
Member
+240|7082|Austin, TX

ATG wrote:

My brother in law is a Long Beach fireman.

His current shifts consist of 2 24 hour days per week.
He has ample time to have a second career and a pension well beyond 99% of private sector jobs.



My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves. It is an awesome paying job with stupid benefits and frankly they are over glorified.
My father was a Florida paramedic.  He worked that job for 15 years, putting in a number of hours working I shudder to think about.  He put his life on the line multiple times.  The difference them and those roadside workers you were referring to is that there comes a time in these guys lives were they have to subordinate their own life or safety for the people they are there to protect and save.

When my father died, a little boy showed up at the funeral and placed a single white rose on my father's casket.  No one in my family knew the boy or his mother.  When my uncle went over to talk to the mother, we found out that my father had saved the boys life about 3 years before.  That boy knows the value of people like my father, my mother, my wife, and even myself.

Oh, and the New York City Fire Department paramedics, who provide EMS support to the largest city in the United States has one of the lowest paying EMS jobs while living in the most expensive city.  They also don't get squat for benifits.  So, I am happy your brother feels so good about his job that he can feel guilty about getting paid to sit on his shift and do squat.  Others are not so fortunate.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose I should mention that my father did not get any heroes' funeral.  There was no one in uniform folding a flag, a bell tolling, taps playing, or a lonely radio call asking about his current call status (you want to talk spooky).  There was no fanfare, and no newspaper article to tell the public that he died.  No one knew or asked how that woman and her son even knew that my father died.

Last edited by imortal (2008-10-23 20:11:10)

2008-10-23 20:05:27
san4
The Mas
+311|7106|NYC, a place to live

ATG wrote:

It is because they do not have the guilty conscious many firefighters and police officers have and do not have the need to justify their own existence with phony accolades for just doing their jobs. Police feel guilty ( or at least they should ) for having devolved into highway robbers, thugs for the land barons and goons and sometimes killers for hire, imo.

They are money collectors for the professional assholes aka politicians.
Are you willing to defend this view? Start by explaining how cops are highway robbers, thugs for the land barons and goons or killers for hire when they track down child molesters.
2008-10-23 20:23:13
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command

imortal wrote:

ATG wrote:

My brother in law is a Long Beach fireman.

His current shifts consist of 2 24 hour days per week.
He has ample time to have a second career and a pension well beyond 99% of private sector jobs.



My tear cup is empty when they must occasionally sacrifice themselves. It is an awesome paying job with stupid benefits and frankly they are over glorified.
My father was a Florida paramedic.  He worked that job for 15 years, putting in a number of hours working I shudder to think about.  He put his life on the line multiple times.  The difference them and those roadside workers you were referring to is that there comes a time in these guys lives were they have to subordinate their own life or safety for the people they are there to protect and save.

When my father died, a little boy showed up at the funeral and placed a single white rose on my father's casket.  No one in my family knew the boy or his mother.  When my uncle went over to talk to the mother, we found out that my father had saved the boys life about 3 years before.  That boy knows the value of people like my father, my mother, my wife, and even myself.

Oh, and the New York City Fire Department paramedics, who provide EMS support to the largest city in the United States has one of the lowest paying EMS jobs while living in the most expensive city.  They also don't get squat for benifits.  So, I am happy your brother feels so good about his job that he can feel guilty about getting paid to sit on his shift and do squat.  Others are not so fortunate.

EDIT: Oh, I suppose I should mention that my father did not get any heroes' funeral.  There was no one in uniform folding a flag, a bell tolling, taps playing, or a lonely radio call asking about his current call status (you want to talk spooky).  There was no fanfare, and no newspaper article to tell the public that he died.  No one knew or asked how that woman and her son even knew that my father died.
May your father rest in peace in the Hall of Heroes in Valhalla, or whever his God(s) reside. I have nothing more to say about that.



san4 wrote:

ATG wrote:

It is because they do not have the guilty conscious many firefighters and police officers have and do not have the need to justify their own existence with phony accolades for just doing their jobs. Police feel guilty ( or at least they should ) for having devolved into highway robbers, thugs for the land barons and goons and sometimes killers for hire, imo.

They are money collectors for the professional assholes aka politicians.
Are you willing to defend this view? Start by explaining how cops are highway robbers, thugs for the land barons and goons or killers for hire when they track down child molesters.
Where were those righteous fighters of virtue when the catholic priest were running their molestation farms?

Police do not serve the public safetyy, they are revenue officers for the state. Speed traps, oddly placed double yellow lines, all are sympotoms of a culture of corruption. I tried to find a link to the story from around here over the last weekend, where an off duty police office was charged with assault and released after peppering his girlfriends car with gun fire.
Any bastard here would be in without bond for attempted murder.
It was too hard to find the spefic story I was wanting.




This all leads back to the financial crisis; our culture is one of the Big Scam. From the president to the cop, all motives are clouded in an endless quest for money. Almost all politicians are corrupt and the police are licensed to kill to protect these assholes.
2008-10-23 20:32:30
rdx-fx
...
+955|7009
Yeah, ATG

In the Army I've been crashed(x4), blown up (x2), under "friendly artillery"(x3), been to too many funerals, and spent the last 12 years picking metal fragments out of my legs .. because .. what?  McDonalds wasn't hiring that week?

Some of us do those jobs because there are some things in this world worth protecting, defending, or saving.
Even if it may cost one's life.

ATG, you're a Dad - you should understand this, no?

Don't need a parade or a medal - but a little more respect than a fucking janitor would be nice...
2008-10-23 20:34:28
ATG
Banned
+5,233|6947|Global Command

rdx-fx wrote:

Yeah, ATG

In the Army I've been crashed(x4), blown up (x2), under "friendly artillery"(x3), been to too many funerals, and spent the last 12 years picking metal fragments out of my legs .. because .. what?  McDonalds wasn't hiring that week?

Some of us do those jobs because there are some things in this world worth protecting, defending, or saving.
Even if it may cost one's life.

ATG, you're a Dad - you should understand this, no?





Don't need a parade or a medal - but a little more respect than a fucking janitor would be nice...
I don't recall saying a goddamned word about the military son.
2008-10-23 20:43:02
Flaming_Maniac
prince of insufficient light
+2,490|7124|67.222.138.85

ATG wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Yeah, ATG

In the Army I've been crashed(x4), blown up (x2), under "friendly artillery"(x3), been to too many funerals, and spent the last 12 years picking metal fragments out of my legs .. because .. what?  McDonalds wasn't hiring that week?

Some of us do those jobs because there are some things in this world worth protecting, defending, or saving.
Even if it may cost one's life.

ATG, you're a Dad - you should understand this, no?





Don't need a parade or a medal - but a little more respect than a fucking janitor would be nice...
I don't recall saying a goddamned word about the military son.
Well that's what happens when you start lumping. Lot's of things you didn't mean to put in there get worked in.
2008-10-23 20:43:17
rdx-fx
...
+955|7009

ATG wrote:

rdx-fx wrote:

Yeah, ATG

In the Army I've been crashed(x4), blown up (x2), under "friendly artillery"(x3), been to too many funerals, and spent the last 12 years picking metal fragments out of my legs .. because .. what?  McDonalds wasn't hiring that week?

Some of us do those jobs because there are some things in this world worth protecting, defending, or saving.
Even if it may cost one's life.

ATG, you're a Dad - you should understand this, no?





Don't need a parade or a medal - but a little more respect than a fucking janitor would be nice...
I don't recall saying a goddamned word about the military son.
It's the same kind of work.  Similar risk, similar shitty pay, similar 'you're a parasite' public opinion up until shit goes BOOM.

And, unless you were having kids when you were 5 years old, I'm not your son.
If you were.. well.. damn, you're some sorta sexual tyrannasaurus.
2008-10-23 21:02:22
S3v3N
lolwut?
+685|6936|Montucky

rdx-fx wrote:

Yeah, ATG

In the Army I've been crashed(x4), blown up (x2), under "friendly artillery"(x3), been to too many funerals, and spent the last 12 years picking metal fragments out of my legs .. because .. what?  McDonalds wasn't hiring that week?

Some of us do those jobs because there are some things in this world worth protecting, defending, or saving.
Even if it may cost one's life.

ATG, you're a Dad - you should understand this, no?

Don't need a parade or a medal - but a little more respect than a fucking janitor would be nice...
Amen.

I'm a Volunteer Firefighter, I don't get paid but I still do the same shit a Career Firefighter does, whenever the pager goes off.
I'm also a Volunteer EMT and Reserve Deputy Sheriff. (once a full time employee) I don't get paid to be a Reserve.


So If I die in the line of duty as either a Pig, Smoke Eater or Trauma Junkie, will my funeral be a waste of time, because I'll get a couple fire trucks, a few cop cars and an ambulance in my funeral procession?  Will it make you feel all pukey inside?

I do it because I like serving the community of people I live with, they desrve the best in protective services, even if they sell drugs to little kids, beat their wife, make 1 billion dollars a year, run a small business.....

Not all Firefighters are glorified and all Cops sure as fuck aren'tl BAD people.

Just Remember when a house is on fire and somebodies kids are inside, its us the smoke eaters that find them in that black nightmare, sacrificing our life if need be, just so somebody else may have a chance at life.

When your kids are at school and that physcopathic nerd desides to take a few kids down with him. Its us that respond to rectify the situation.


Just because you've had a bad experience in life doesn't mean it should taint your judgement on the whole group, as a Cop I worked mostly around an Indian reservation, I've seen the worst and then the people that are below that.   I still don't judge them based on the 5% of the idiots I've dealt with.  I've pulled a 15 year old kid out of a car, that he crashed while drunk.  I don't treat all 15 year old kids as stupid idiots.

ah fuck it. I've had enough.

 

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