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Here we go

Source: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081027/ap_ … nhead_plot

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WASHINGTON – Law enforcement agents have broken up a plot by two neo-Nazi skinheads to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama and shoot or decapitate 88 black people, the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco Firearms and Explosives said Monday.

In court records unsealed Monday in U.S. District Court in Jackson, Tenn., federal agents said they disrupted plans to rob a gun store and target a predominantly African-American high school in a murder spree that was to begin in Tennessee. Agents said the skinheads did not identify the school by name.

Jim Cavanaugh, special agent in charge of ATF's Nashville field office, said the two men planned to kill 88 black people, including 14 by beheading. The numbers 88 and 14 are symbolic in the white supremacist community.

The men also sought to go on a national killing spree after the Tennessee murders, with Obama as its final target, Cavanaugh told The Associated Press.

"They said that would be their last, final act — that they would attempt to kill Sen. Obama," Cavanaugh said. "They didn't believe they would be able to do it, but that they would get killed trying."

An Obama spokeswoman traveling with the senator in Pennsylvania had no immediate comment.

The men, Daniel Cowart, 20, of Bells, Tenn., and Paul Schlesselman 18, of Helena-West Helena, Ark., are being held without bond. Agents seized a rifle, a sawed-off shotgun and three pistols from the men when they were arrested. Authorities alleged the two men were preparing to break into a gun shop to steal more.

The defendants were arrested Oct. 22 by the Crockett County, Tenn., Sheriffs Office. "Once we arrested the defendants and suspected they had violated federal law, we immediately contacted federal authorities," said Crockett County Sheriff Troy Klyce.

Attorney Joe Byrd, who has been hired to represent Cowart, did not immediately return a call seeking comment Monday.

Cowart and Schlesselman are charged with possessing an unregistered firearm, conspiring to steal firearms from a federally licensed gun dealer, and threatening a candidate for president.

The investigation is continuing, and more charges are possible, Cavanaugh said.

The court records say Cowart and Schlesselman also bought nylon rope and ski masks to use in a robbery or home invasion to fund their spree, during which they allegedly planned to go from state to state and kill people.

For the Obama plot, the legal documents show, Cowart and Schlesselman "planned to drive their vehicle as fast as they could toward Obama shooting at him from the windows."

"Both individuals stated they would dress in all white tuxedos and wear top hats during the assassination attempt," the court complaint states. "Both individuals further stated they knew they would and were willing to die during this attempt."

Cavanaugh said there's no evidence — so far — that others were willing to assist Cowart and Schlesselman with the plot.

He said authorities took the threats very seriously.

"They seemed determined to do it," Cavanaugh said. "Even if they were just to try it, it would be a trail of tears around the South."
The man isnt even elected yet, this worries me.
usmarine
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Worries you?  They could never pull off what they wanted.  They could have shot up the school, but that would be their final act.  This is just an attention getter for the news media.  They didn't even have enough weapons....or training I would bet.

More disturbing is Biden would be President.  Yikes.
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usmarine wrote:

Worries you?  They could never pull off what they wanted.  They could have shot up the school, but that would be their final act.  This is just an attention getter for the news media.  They didn't even have enough weapons....or training I would bet.

More disturbing is Biden would be President.  Yikes.
Yeah man, theres already an assasination attempt on him and he's not even elected yet. That better worry someone.
Parker
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they are crazy.


its the ones that arent crazy that you need to watch out for.
usmarine
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its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
ATG
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Happens all the time. Imagine all the people that want to kill Bush.
M.O.A.B
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usmarine wrote:

its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
To pull off an actual assassination now would mean a lot of insiders were needed, and that's basically not going to happen. Other option would be a very very large bomb. But no random off the street with no training of any sort could ever hope to accomplish it.
13/f/taiwan
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M.O.A.B wrote:

usmarine wrote:

its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
To pull off an actual assassination now would mean a lot of insiders were needed, and that's basically not going to happen. Other option would be a very very large bomb. But no random off the street with no training of any sort could ever hope to accomplish it.
Tell us more. I'm sure you know your stuff, right?
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M.O.A.B wrote:

usmarine wrote:

its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
To pull off an actual assassination now would mean a lot of insiders were needed, and that's basically not going to happen. Other option would be a very very large bomb. But no random off the street with no training of any sort could ever hope to accomplish it.
Snipers, Snuffs? Did alot of large political figures injustice in the past.
M.O.A.B
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12/f/taiwan wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

usmarine wrote:

its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
To pull off an actual assassination now would mean a lot of insiders were needed, and that's basically not going to happen. Other option would be a very very large bomb. But no random off the street with no training of any sort could ever hope to accomplish it.
Tell us more. I'm sure you know your stuff, right?
I know enough that's it not friggin easy. How many do you think would have tried a pop at Bush but never managed?

Roc18 wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

usmarine wrote:

its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
To pull off an actual assassination now would mean a lot of insiders were needed, and that's basically not going to happen. Other option would be a very very large bomb. But no random off the street with no training of any sort could ever hope to accomplish it.
Snipers, Snuffs? Did alot of large political figures injustice in the past.
In the past they didn't put up huge restriction zones with counter-snipers.
AussieReaper
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M.O.A.B wrote:

usmarine wrote:

its a couple of young punks who prolly could not even break into the gun shop to begin with.  The real concern should be for the high schools.  Come on dude, this is FAR from an assassination plot.  I am surprised they use those words.  Actually, I am not that surprised.
To pull off an actual assassination now would mean a lot of insiders were needed, and that's basically not going to happen. Other option would be a very very large bomb. But no random off the street with no training of any sort could ever hope to accomplish it.
Benazir Bhutto.
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usmarine
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TheAussieReaper wrote:

Benazir Bhutto.
Al-Q is trained
Hurricane2k9
Pendulous Sweaty Balls
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I've actually always pondered that. I mean a lot of people dislike Bush, some dislike him fanatically. Surely somebody would be crazy enough to storm a podium with a machine gun?

And parker makes a good point, it's the clear-headed masterminds you have to watch out for.
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AussieReaper
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usmarine wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Benazir Bhutto.
Al-Q is trained
No I'm not disagreeing with MOAB (shock horror). Bhutto had all three. The insiders involved - the family still claim President Musharraf did not provide adequate security. A bomb did go off. And the shots fired were from trained Al Q terrorists.
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Christbane
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well thankfully these guys are dimwitted morons as most skinheads seem to be. or they may have killed some school kids.  not a prayer they would have even come close to Obama.
bad-man
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Parker wrote:

they are crazy.

its the ones that arent crazy that you need to watch out for.
exactly,
the dummies will always get p/u before anything happens, it's the ones that don't brag to their friends about offing people that can do some damage

Last edited by bad-man (2008-10-27 18:50:39)

imortal
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Roc18 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

Worries you?  They could never pull off what they wanted.  They could have shot up the school, but that would be their final act.  This is just an attention getter for the news media.  They didn't even have enough weapons....or training I would bet.

More disturbing is Biden would be President.  Yikes.
Yeah man, theres already an assasination attempt on him and he's not even elected yet. That better worry someone.
This hardly qualifies as an assassination attempt, but it should still be taken seriously.  We have some really nutty fringe elements here in the US, left-wing AND right-wing.  These guys need to have the same freedoms any other citizen is granted, yes; but they need to be monitored and stompted HARD if they step out of line.

Insanity and intolerance is obviously not limited to muslims; we all know that.  What we need to do is seriously consider how we react to this.  I do not like Obama, and do not want him in office; but I do not condone what these guys were planning, and would turn them in without a second thought and free of guilt if somoene I knew were planning something similar.
Mekstizzle
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crazy christians
S.Lythberg
Mastermind
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I think the question here is why an 18 and 20 year old are so consumed by hatred that they were planning to massacre dozens of children in the first place.  Views like that don't just teach themselves...
topthrill05
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S.Lythberg wrote:

I think the question here is why an 18 and 20 year old are so consumed by hatred that they were planning to massacre dozens of children in the first place.  Views like that don't just teach themselves...
Now if there is something to be worried about its that.
S3v3N
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+685|6936|Montucky

Parker wrote:

they are crazy.


its the ones that arent crazy that you need to watch out for.
One guy sits quietly at the bar sipping on his Jack'n'Coke.

Another man is banging a machete off the bar saying he's going to kill the next mother fucker who comes in here.



Who ya going to watch?


*edit*

Rest In Peace George Carlin.

Last edited by S3v3N (2008-10-27 20:41:05)

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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

crazy white christians
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CameronPoe
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I'm actually surprised he hasn't been assassinated yet. Probably when he's in office.
FEOS
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Mek-Stizzle wrote:

crazy christians
Crazy. But not at all christian.
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