SharkyMcshark
I'll take two
+132|7060|Perth, Western Australia

Toilet Sex wrote:

Vax wrote:

Anybodykillz wrote:

Did someone say rollback?

glorydays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkcj96W9kE0
Srsly? You guys long for the days when everyone was hopping 6 feet in the air and flinging c4 like frisbees ?

No thanks.
Why? You couldn't do it?
Wow you're pr0, i can't help but agree

Hey why not regress the game back to:

C4 chucking
Prone Jumping
Being Able to Shoot Whilst Jumping 6 Feet into the Air
A Tube with no Detonation Distance
Firing a Blackhawk Minigun into the fog and bagging four kills
Air Power that was impossible to hit with AA
SMGs and LMGs that were nigh upon useless at ranges greater than three feet, unless you used single shot on a PKM which had laser like accuracy
Less Accurate Sniper Rifles
No Car Drops

The game was MUCH MUCH better back then.
Vax
Member
+42|6126|Flyover country
^
Don't forget the blackhawks could shrug off AT rockets like they were a minor irritation with a bunch of engies cranking away, and every player in the flag radius effected the flag cap, so a full BH could change a flag in 20 seconds. Mashtur City was unplayable

Toilet Sex wrote:

Vax wrote:

Anybodykillz wrote:

Did someone say rollback?

glorydays
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mkcj96W9kE0
Srsly? You guys long for the days when everyone was hopping 6 feet in the air and flinging c4 like frisbees ?

No thanks.
Why? You couldn't do it?
Yeah Yeah thats it.

I never mastered the fine art of mashing the space bar and hucking c4 into the general vicinity of enemy players, right click and det.
Naturn
Deeds, not words.
+311|6880|Greenwood, IN
I honestly don't think another patch is really going to make the game any better.  I think majority of the problems in the game arise from patching it so much.
FinnTrek
Member
+3|6955

Ataronchronon wrote:

Mint Sauce wrote:

Jebus wrote:

Yes, because the winter is only one month long.
Sorry, but just so you know Jebus, he's laughing at you not with you (hopefully).
in winter 2008 may mean Nov.08 - May.09 if the any Swedish coder live in Swedish Lapland.  There is still snow at May, sorry boys.
Laika
Member
+75|6218

FinnTrek wrote:

Ataronchronon wrote:

Mint Sauce wrote:


Sorry, but just so you know Jebus, he's laughing at you not with you (hopefully).
in winter 2008 may mean Nov.08 - May.09 if the any Swedish coder live in Swedish Lapland.  There is still snow at May, sorry boys.
They specifically stated that they would try to get something out to us before Christmas. No guarantees though.
cospengle
Member
+140|6762|Armidale, NSW, Australia

Ataronchronon wrote:

FinnTrek wrote:

Ataronchronon wrote:


Sorry, but just so you know Jebus, he's laughing at you not with you (hopefully).
in winter 2008 may mean Nov.08 - May.09 if the any Swedish coder live in Swedish Lapland.  There is still snow at May, sorry boys.
They specifically stated that they would try to get something out to us before Christmas. No guarantees though.
God I hope they don't rush it. I don't want 1.3 for Xmas.
H3RB4L ABU53
+45|6142|123 | 456 | 789 | Δ
whats with people saying why chuck c4's? in my opinion theyre quite useless without being able to chuck them- if you want to c4 a tank theres a high chance you will get run over, as for anything else it's even harder- not to mention the spec ops gun is well underpowered and they haven't really got much else- I rarely see many C4 kills on this 1.4 patch
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6738|cuntshitlake

H3RB4L ABU53 wrote:

whats with people saying why chuck c4's? in my opinion theyre quite useless without being able to chuck them- if you want to c4 a tank theres a high chance you will get run over, as for anything else it's even harder- not to mention the spec ops gun is well underpowered and they haven't really got much else- I rarely see many C4 kills on this 1.4 patch
No point to play anything but medic, sniper, or AT anyways...
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
MrAnderson
Ghost Town T90/Apache Whore
+99|6274|Aberdeen, Scotland
I never experienced the game pre-1.3...but I think c4 is ok as it is, you just need to be sneaky and think fast...very annoying to get squished when you've barely touched the tank though...

Specops weapons are pretty effective, especially the stocks.
cospengle
Member
+140|6762|Armidale, NSW, Australia
Yeah I hope they bring back C4 chucking, I hate it when the UAV trailer reverses over me.
Doctor Strangelove
Real Battlefield Veterinarian.
+1,758|6743

MrAnderson wrote:

I never experienced the game pre-1.3...but I think c4 is ok as it is, you just need to be sneaky and think fast...very annoying to get squished when you've barely touched the tank though...

Specops weapons are pretty effective, especially the stocks.
Well basically the C4 could be thrown much farther that it could not, combine that with the fact that prior to 1.2 players could throw and jump at the same time you basically had guys bouncing around (and thus harder to hit) hurling a pack of explosives long distances.

Now the C4 is more of a trap kind of thing, not an offensive weapon like it was. I'm not saying C4 jumping wasn't fun (I got a kick out of it ) but it was the main reason Spec-Ops was raep incarnate in the earlier patches.
Longbow
Member
+163|6921|Odessa, Ukraine

DoctaStrangelove wrote:

Well basically the C4 could be thrown much farther that it could not, combine that with the fact that prior to 1.2 players could throw and jump at the same time you basically had guys bouncing around (and thus harder to hit) hurling a pack of explosives long distances.

Now the C4 is more of a trap kind of thing, not an offensive weapon like it was. I'm not saying C4 jumping wasn't fun (I got a kick out of it ) but it was the main reason Spec-Ops was raep incarnate in the earlier patches.
Yet other changes like nerfing GL, BH are absolutely stupid. GL is still effective (much less though), while BH became completely useless. Oh, forgot choper nerfing - number of unguided missiles lovered from 14 to 8 and TVGM's range to 450 from 650. Still think patches done anything good? And please dont tell that changes on AA done something with airwhores - shooting down a jet with a skilled pilot inside is possible only with another jet. Ground AA recieved better lock on, but it is still close to useless against jets.

Last edited by Longbow (2008-12-08 20:23:04)

Fat_Swinub
jaff
+125|6710
You can still C4-chuck but it's little to nothing of its former glory and it takes a lot more skill than pre-1.2. You can just get them over small fences but nothing else.
steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6656|the land of bourbon
c4 has its moments... i never got to play with the chucking goodness, but there are still a few maps where its horribly good fun.  guarding the main stairwell on gator is an easy way to get 40+ kills.  the factory in mass d has good opportunities for c4 fun.  there are tons others i cant remember...
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specialistx2324
hahahahahhaa
+244|6963|arica harbour
i use c4 a lot in maps like warlord and ghost town.

warlord. put c4 in corners and stairwells and see people explode
ghost town: me as SAS sneak into an uncap, place c4 on the APC and tank there, wait until they jump into the vehicles, let them drive a few feet and BOOM. got a bunch of kills like that.
steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6656|the land of bourbon

specialistx2324 wrote:

i use c4 a lot in maps like warlord and ghost town.

warlord. put c4 in corners and stairwells and see people explode
ghost town: me as SAS sneak into an uncap, place c4 on the APC and tank there, wait until they jump into the vehicles, let them drive a few feet and BOOM. got a bunch of kills like that.
oooh i hate you for doing that to the sas uncap... 

that always seems to happen to me.  then i end up walking around the tank to check for c4 surprises, and the dude blows me up anyway when im standing next to it.  u little bastard spec ops drive me crazy
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Nihil
Member
+15|6081|Malaga, Spain
Of course the age old counter remains - why booby trap the tank for one or maybe two kills when you can just steal the tank and kill twenty or more?
Zukabazuka
Member
+23|6960
Yeah because the BH was so hard to use back then, 3 repairs fellas or so then rest of any other class that gets assist or heal while in the chopper. chance of destroying it? 1%
If that thing was up in the air it stayed there for the rest of the round, the miniguns where MEC choppers gunturret with way faster shooting speed and you had 2 of them on each side too. Then add Squad jump on the chopper and tada it led to USA victory over MEC more than 80% of the time. AA turrets? They sucked and during the time you reloaded it was destroyed and chopper was at full health. Wasnt anything pro with it to start with, just hope you get in the turrets and no clan people where around to Kill you for it. It was just fun to use it but the MEC side had such a SHITTY transport chopper it wasn't even worth using for crashing in to the because you got shredded before getting near.
JoshP
Banned
+176|5964|Notts, UK

Nihil wrote:

Of course the age old counter remains - why booby trap the tank for one or maybe two kills when you can just steal the tank and kill twenty or more?
It's nowhere near as funny tbh, and for example on Wake, get on the USMC carrier, c4 on a jet, hide and blow, it's epic

C4 doesn't get you as many kills true, but it's still damn funny
Hakei
Banned
+295|6270

JoshP wrote:

Nihil wrote:

Of course the age old counter remains - why booby trap the tank for one or maybe two kills when you can just steal the tank and kill twenty or more?
It's nowhere near as funny tbh, and for example on Wake, get on the USMC carrier, c4 on a jet, hide and blow, it's epic

C4 doesn't get you as many kills true, but it's still damn funny
In my 500 hours of wake, all of which on USMC, all of which in F35 or waiting for F35, this has never happened to me.
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6775|so randum

Hakei wrote:

JoshP wrote:

Nihil wrote:

Of course the age old counter remains - why booby trap the tank for one or maybe two kills when you can just steal the tank and kill twenty or more?
It's nowhere near as funny tbh, and for example on Wake, get on the USMC carrier, c4 on a jet, hide and blow, it's epic

C4 doesn't get you as many kills true, but it's still damn funny
In my 500 hours of wake, all of which on USMC, all of which in F35 or waiting for F35, this has never happened to me.
i used to do it quite a bit lol.

me as spec ops, someone as support, 4 other M95 snipers lol


nothing got off the carrier ha
Small hourglass island
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
MrAnderson
Ghost Town T90/Apache Whore
+99|6274|Aberdeen, Scotland
From what I've seen I don't think it would be a good idea to reinstate the blackhawk rape-wagon, but wouldn't it be fairly easy for a decent jet pilot to take out?

Some people still do 'heli teamwork' on tampa, and it's a nice bunch of kills...especially if they are using the MEC transport, as you can pick the guys off the back with cannons
13/f/taiwan
Member
+940|5973

MrAnderson wrote:

From what I've seen I don't think it would be a good idea to reinstate the blackhawk rape-wagon, but wouldn't it be fairly easy for a decent jet pilot to take out?

Some people still do 'heli teamwork' on tampa, and it's a nice bunch of kills...especially if they are using the MEC transport, as you can pick the guys off the back with cannons
Yeah, but on maps like Mashtur MEC would get raped(back in the day), so that would result in 80% of the server going USMC round after round until the server died.
steelie34
pub hero!
+603|6656|the land of bourbon
the blackhawk raep imo is what really made this game have actual teamwork.  it was one of those few instances where a squad working together dominated.  i think they went from 100 to 0 with the nerf, when they should've found a better medium.
https://bf3s.com/sigs/36e1d9e36ae924048a933db90fb05bb247fe315e.png
Arnie_Ze_Austrian
Member
+55|6417
It would've been fairly simple to find a happy medium IMO.  Instead it got the nerf stick.

My way would've been something along these lines:
  • Reduce cannon splash/spread a bit and don't let it penetrate so easily.  One sweep of the minigun used to wipe out about 4-6 people in the MEC chopper, lol.  I also used to just spam it at flags in the distance and get random kills now and then.  It was ridiculous.
  • Make the miniguns heat up much more quickly.  You can (and could) fire them for absolutely ages before they overheat.
  • Make the guns run out of ammo and require a support player to reload them every ~x seconds and/or require the chopper to go back to a helipad every x minutes.  I don't care about realism -- it would be mainly to force some people to play a kit other than engy, thus limiting the repair-fest in the back that can keep choppers up (though this isn't such a big deal these days).  It would also stop people cannon-spamming and make 'em concentrate their fire on visible targets.


With those things in place, it'd make the blackhawk more than worthwhile to use, but only with the right balance of kits (maybe 2-3 engineers, one medic, two support guys), a good pilot and some decent gunners.  Plus it would still have vulnerabilities regardless.  Man, those BH days on Mashtuur were so much fun...

Last edited by Arnie_Ze_Austrian (2008-12-09 12:57:55)

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