Poll

Legalize/Ban gun ownership

I'm in Europe and i think it should be legalised7%7% - 9
I'm in Europe and i think it should stay banned20%20% - 24
I'm in NA and i think we should keep our guns60%60% - 71
I'm in NA and i think guns should be banned4%4% - 5
Other- outline below7%7% - 9
Total: 118
Monkey Spanker
Show it to the nice monkey.
+284|6669|England
I live in the UK & i own a 12 bore shotgun & a Tikka .308 for deer hunting, the way the licence is set up is very strict but is fair i personally keep my guns in a double locked gun cabinet. At any time the police can come & check my guns are safe & also my ammo is secured as well(which they do a couple of time s a year), this system works well in the UK. But we don't have the same culture as the Americans so our laws are a hell of a lot different.
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13rin
Member
+977|6896

jord wrote:

By the way despite my frequent posts on gun ownership being against it I do actually want the UK to ease up on licenses a bit. I looked at getting one not so long ago and it's pretty hard.

You want to know how I can be against allowing everyone to own a gun here but myself am strongly contemplating purchasing a rifle and license myself?

The answer is easy sir, for I... Am a hypocrite.
Nope.  You've changed your stance.  That's fine too.  Responsible gun ownership is a beautiful thing.  Hunting is a blast.  So is target shooting.  Too bad you have to go get a license first...
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
ghettoperson
Member
+1,943|7066

Reciprocity wrote:

Most of this gun banning talk is drummed up by the firearms manufacturers to boost sales.  There is currently a run on "assault" rifles.  Then the companies report these horrible backorders to make people even more insane.  conservative style capitalism.
I noticed that on an online gun store. They had a note to the effect of "Due to recent political changes, you should buy a fuckload of assault rifles because he's going to take them all away from you."
Reciprocity
Member
+721|6997|the dank(super) side of Oregon

ghettoperson wrote:

I noticed that on an online gun store. They had a note to the effect of "Due to recent political changes, you should buy a fuckload of assault rifles because he's going to take them all away from you."
the stores around here are selling their $800 ARs for $1700.  They seem to have forgotten how poor people are around here.  Anyone well off enough to buy an AR already has.

Last edited by Reciprocity (2008-11-24 12:51:09)

Bell
Frosties > Cornflakes
+362|6966|UK

Am in the UK at the moment, although, perhaps since I was brought up in the states am all for people having guns. 

I think, historically, your asking for trouble, when you put such a level of trust in the government, police etc that without that, your screwed.  I may sound like a tin foil hat guy right now, and I dont really care, but if all it takes is the supermarket shelves going empty for civilisation to break down, you will forgive me for being skeptical of any police/military being able to keep the peace.

Also



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BVC
Member
+325|7112
I'm in NZ, and I'm pro-NRA, pro-guns etc.  If you take them away then only affect law-abiding citizens will hand theirs in.  Criminal gangs won't.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6828|'Murka

JoshP wrote:

What does D&ST think?

Discuss

edit: i'm refering to gun ownership America style- i.e. anyone who wants a gun can own one, for self defense purposes, hunting, etc.
That's not "America style". There are many restrictions on who can own what type of firearm...and many people cannot own one at all.
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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7018|132 and Bush

Keep them. We will be prepared for when teh aliens invade.

Braddock wrote:

I'm happy enough with strict gun controls thank you very much.
Our gun laws vary by state. Each state has it's own constitution. However, the State may not infringe upon our national Constitution, which simply says that you can have them (guns). How you get them and what action or mental capacity will constitute removal of that right is left open for interpretation. Some states are strict, some are not. What we have is the freedom to choose which legislation we live under without directly impacting the rights of others. In other words if we tighten up the laws in New Jersey in order to deal with an increase in gun related violence it won't hurt the sportsman in Georgia. Our National Constitution understands the different wants and needs of a very large and diverse population.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Catbox
forgiveness
+505|7133

ghettoperson wrote:

BTW Yanks, as a Brit am I allowed to purchase a gun in the States if I'm living there, or do I have to be a US citizen?
In Virginia
http://www.vsp.state.va.us/Firearms_Pur … ility.shtm
Firearms Purchase Eligibility Test


A person who answers "yes" to any of the below questions may be prohibited from purchasing or possessing a firearm pursuant to state and/or federal law.

Are you under indictment for a felony offense?
Have you ever been convicted, as an adult, in any court of a felony offense?
If you are 28 years old or younger, have you ever been adjudicated delinquent as a juvenile 14 years of age or older at the time of offense of a delinquent act, which would be a felony if committed by an adult?
Were you adjudicated as a juvenile 14 years of age or older at the time of the offense of murder in violation of § 18.2-31 or 18.2-32, kidnapping in violation of § 18.2-47, robbery by the threat or presentation of firearms in violation of § 18.2-58, or rape in violation of § 18.2-61?   (If adjudicated as a delinquent for these offenses, you must answer yes. You are ineligible regardless of you current age and prohibited for life unless allowed by restoration of rights by the Governor of Virginia and order of the circuit court in the jurisdiction in which you reside.)
Have you ever been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime punishable by more than 2 years even if the maximum punishment was not received?
Is there an outstanding protective or restraining order against you from any court?
Is there an outstanding felony or misdemeanor warrant of arrest pending against you from any jurisdiction?
Are you an unlawful user of, or addicted to, marijuana, or any depressant, stimulant, or narcotic drug, or any controlled substance? The Federal Gun Control Act defines an addicted person, or unlawful user, as a person who has a conviction for use or possession of a controlled substance within the past year or persons found through a drug test to use a controlled substance unlawfully, provided that the test was administered within the past year.
Have you ever been acquitted by reason of insanity?
Have you ever been adjudicated legally incompetent or mentally incapacitated, or adjudicated an incapacitated person?
Have you ever been involuntarily admitted to a facility or involuntarily ordered to outpatient mental health treatment?
Have you ever been the subject of a temporary detention order and subsequently agreed to voluntarily admission for mental health treatment?   
Have you been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable discharge?
Are you an alien illegally in the United States? 
Are you a nonimmigrant alien? A nonimmigrant alien is prohibited from receiving a firearm unless he or she falls within an exception to the nonimmigrant alien prohibition (e.g., hunting license/permit; waiver).
Are you a person who, having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced your citizenship?
Have you ever been convicted for the misdemeanor crime of domestic violence? This includes all misdemeanors that involve the use, threat of, or attempted use of physical force (e.g., simple assault, assault and battery) if the offense is committed by one of the following parties: a current or former spouse, parent, or guardian of the victim, by a person with whom the victim shares a child in common, by a person who is cohabiting with or has cohabited with the victim as a spouse, parent or guardian, or by a person similarly situated to a spouse, parent or guardian of the victim.
Have you purchased a handgun from any source within the last 30 days? (Handgun Purchases Only) Virginia Code Section 18.2-208.2:2 (P) provides exceptions to the handgun purchase restriction.
Are you a person who, within a 36 consecutive month period, has been convicted, under Virginia law, of 2 misdemeanor offenses for Possession of Controlled Substance or Possession of Marijuana? (Handgun Purchases Only)
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Harmor
Error_Name_Not_Found
+605|6965|San Diego, CA, USA
I wonder if those people in Katrina wanted their guns banned?

I'm buying a gun so when they take it from me they have something to pry from my dead hands.



I think once the technology for only the owners to shoot their guns (i.e. with biometic triggers), then no only will kids lives will be saved, but also police officers who are killed with their own gun.

Last edited by Harmor (2008-11-23 20:32:52)

lowing
Banned
+1,662|7068|USA
My sons 11 and 12, are going to get .22 rifles for Christmas. A Winchester Wildcat and a Ruger 10/22 Very exciting, their first guns.
DrunkFace
Germans did 911
+427|7098|Disaster Free Zone
Gun ownership should be a privilege not a right. Also a lot of guns should be heavily restricted and only be available to those who really need them. There should be harsher rules and regulations on ownership and harsher penalties for breaking said rules.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7063
Seeing how the second ammendment was written like 200 years ago I say that nobody can own anything more advanced than a musket.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6811|The Gem Saloon

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Seeing how the second ammendment was written like 200 years ago I say that nobody can own anything more advanced than a musket.
fair enough....but dont get pissed when i start carrying a bow and a tomahawk.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7063

Parker wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Seeing how the second ammendment was written like 200 years ago I say that nobody can own anything more advanced than a musket.
fair enough....but dont get pissed when i start carrying a bow and a tomahawk.
Well don't get pissed when I steal 99% of your land and then let you own casinos.
Parker
isteal
+1,452|6811|The Gem Saloon

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Parker wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

Seeing how the second ammendment was written like 200 years ago I say that nobody can own anything more advanced than a musket.
fair enough....but dont get pissed when i start carrying a bow and a tomahawk.
Well don't get pissed when I steal 99% of your land and then let you own casinos.
that last karma is from me...i got excited and hit enter.


that was awesome

fair enough again...but you can only do it with a musket and smallpox.
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7063
In all seriousness I wouldn't mind a handgun ban and heavy restrictions on fully automatic weapons.

Also like I joked to, I would like a little update to our constitution. Too frigging vague.
Little BaBy JESUS
m8
+394|6565|'straya
I would have selected.... i live australia and think guns should be banned... but that wasnt a option

but.... it would be such a long process... hell im beyond caring if americans have guns...
RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7131|US

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

In all seriousness I wouldn't mind a handgun ban and heavy restrictions on fully automatic weapons.

Also like I joked to, I would like a little update to our constitution. Too frigging vague.
Maybe you should do some research.  Full auto firearms ARE heavily restricted.  You need an extra background check, the approval of your local chief law enforcement officer, and a $200 stamp.

For those who advocate banning firearms, what effect do you expect to see?  Prohibition (of anything common in society) doesn't work very well.  (See alcohol, drugs)
Ajax_the_Great1
Dropped on request
+206|7063

RAIMIUS wrote:

Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:

In all seriousness I wouldn't mind a handgun ban and heavy restrictions on fully automatic weapons.

Also like I joked to, I would like a little update to our constitution. Too frigging vague.
Maybe you should do some research.  Full auto firearms ARE heavily restricted.  You need an extra background check, the approval of your local chief law enforcement officer, and a $200 stamp.

For those who advocate banning firearms, what effect do you expect to see?  Prohibition (of anything common in society) doesn't work very well.  (See alcohol, drugs)
I know that. I'm simply stating what my opinion is.

Handguns aren't banned.

Edit: And when do research and gun control/ownership debates go hand in hand? It's always "you'll take my gun from my cold dead hand!" vs. "guns kill people"

Last edited by Ajax_the_Great1 (2008-11-23 23:39:01)

Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,822|6523|eXtreme to the maX
I'm in Australia, used to be 'Europe'.
I've owned firearms, in both countries, for target shooting, since I was 20 - and its a fairly tedious process to go through.
In neither place can firearms be used for self-defence, my firearms are kept locked up, the ammunition is kept entirely separately.

If everyone had a gun, I'd want one for self-defence, not that it would really be a lot of use.


I'm comfortable with the status as it is, hardly any of the crims have guns, mostly they use them against other crims.
Public ownership of guns is limited and well regulated, 99.99% of shooters are well-behaved and law-abiding.
A good alarm system linked to the fuzz, and a mag-lite are about all I need.

If the average fuckwit could get hold of a gun easily I'd be pretty concerned.
Fuck Israel
deeznutz1245
Connecticut: our chimps are stealin yo' faces.
+483|6910|Connecticut

lowing wrote:

My sons 11 and 12, are going to get .22 rifles for Christmas. A Winchester Wildcat and a Ruger 10/22 Very exciting, their first guns.
When I was 12 and passed my NRA course in summer camp my Dad bought me a Ruger .22 !! Sweet! I saved my snow shoveling money that winter and my dad bought me a 4/10 in the spring. Good memories, I hope your sons enjoy learning how to level off the sights with their ol' man.
Malloy must go
FatherTed
xD
+3,936|6917|so randum
what happend to my post
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Braddock
Agitator
+916|6707|Éire

deeznutz1245 wrote:

lowing wrote:

My sons 11 and 12, are going to get .22 rifles for Christmas. A Winchester Wildcat and a Ruger 10/22 Very exciting, their first guns.
When I was 12 and passed my NRA course in summer camp my Dad bought me a Ruger .22 !! Sweet! I saved my snow shoveling money that winter and my dad bought me a 4/10 in the spring. Good memories, I hope your sons enjoy learning how to level off the sights with their ol' man.
These posts exemplify the gulf of difference between Europe and the US... the thought of pre-teen chavs over here being issued guns by their parents sends chills down my spine!

I'm not saying your kids are chavs btw.
Agent_Dung_Bomb
Member
+302|7153|Salt Lake City

Well, the original ban did little because most changes were cosmetic, and gun makers quickly got around them.  However, gun ban supporters recognized this and have come up with some new wording they want implemented into another AW ban.  With a Dem pres and control of both houses, they could very well pull it off, and AW weapons would be gone all together with the new wording.

"... semiautomatic rifle or shotgun originally designed for military or law enforcement use, or a firearm based on the design of such a firearm, that is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, as determined by the Attorney General. In making the determination, there shall be a rebuttable presumption that a firearm procured for use by the United States military or any Federal law enforcement agency is not particularly suitable for sporting purposes, and a firearm shall not be determined to be particularly suitable for sporting purposes solely because the firearm is suitable for use in a sporting event."

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