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lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

I do not look at it as theft. Israel needs to stop the means used t owage war against them. Since no one else is doing it, and I dare say actually support it, them are doing it themselves. Do not get mad at them for using extreme measures to extreme acts against them.

You've just proved my point lowing... Israel can do no wrong in your eyes.

Nope, not compared to the wrongs that have been and is being done to them.

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

A very nice, non biased Israeli source you have there. I'm sure Israel are very even handed with their analysis of Israel.

There is absolutely no way to deny the fact that Israel faces no repercussions for the repeated violations of UN resolutions. Yes, the UN is biased, in favour of Israel. Resolutions against Israel are hollow threats that carry no repercussions for continued violations so what are they bitching about?

If I decree that all resolutions against North Korea are biased, then quote a North Korean website that states that the resolutions against North Korea are biased would you accept that?

EDIT:http://www.iht.com/articles/ap/2008/11/ … Rights.php
There we go, NK are clearly completely innocent victims of UN harassment!

Unfortunately I doubt there are any sources that are unbiased one way or another. What you need to ask is, regardless of the source, is the info factual or not.

Tell ya what find me an unbiased website concerning abortion.

All the sources use as evidence of bias is the fact that they believe there are too many resolutions agaisnt Israel. None of them go anywhere near to saying that all of them are unfair and as there are no repercussions for violating these resolutions, who cares how many of them there are. If the UN wrote a million resolutions against Israel, Israel violates them all and the UN does nothing it makes no difference. They also talk about the fact that the UN spends lots of time and effort over this particular issue, which is understandable as the UN created the problem in the first place.

As I've repeatedly said, If Israel was treated fairly there would be far fewer resolutions agaisnt Israel, but they would be under economic sanctions for their ongoing violations of the fewer resolutions. One of the reasons that there are so many resolutions agaisnt Israel is that they continue to do the exact same things that they've been criticized by the UN for as they suffer no repercussions for their repeated and ongoing violations.

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lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

lowing wrote:

Unfortunately I doubt there are any sources that are unbiased one way or another. What you need to ask is, regardless of the source, is the info factual or not.

Tell ya what find me an unbiased website concerning abortion.

All the sources use as evidence of bias is the fact that they believe there are too many resolutions agaisnt Israel. None of them go anywhere near to saying that all of them are unfair and as there are no repercussions for violating these resolutions, who cares how many of them there are. If the UN wrote a million resolutions against Israel, Israel violates them all and the UN does nothing it makes no difference. They also talk about the fact that the UN spends lots of time and effort over this particular issue, which is understandable as the UN created the problem in the first place.

As I've repeatedly said, If Israel was treated fairly there would be far fewer resolutions agaisnt Israel, but they would be under economic sanctions for their ongoing violations of the fewer resolutions. One of the reasons that there are so many resolutions agaisnt Israel is that they continue to do the exact same things that they've been criticized by the UN for as they suffer no repercussions for their repeated and ongoing violations.

I have already posted this link http://www.science.co.il/Arab-Israeli-c … -05-20.asp  which gave you the examples you asked for, but of course you are dismissing them as pro-Israel so pretty much you ask for shit then when it is provided you cock block it as biased amd inadmissable. there really is no advancing this discussion with you if you refuse to accept info that supports Israel and its postion, yet only acknowledge info that is against it. Pretty much just like the UN ironically enough.

Lowing wrote:

Again NO!, this link show you and gives examples of how the UN acts and how the UN treats Israel, it gives examples of this, not just numbers but events. It clearly points out the double standards used against Israel. Precisly the info you requested.

Lowing wrote:

I do not look at it as theft.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Lowing tries to have it both ways. The UN created the state of Israel so it's perfectly fair and balanced. The UN tries to sanction Israel and it's heavy handed and unfair.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

I do not look at it as theft.

I see, so Israel is entitled to steal more land - which it needs to defend the land it stole previously - which it needed to defend the land it stole before that?
You are so brainwashed and one sided there is no point arguing.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Lowing tries to have it both ways. The UN created the state of Israel so it's perfectly fair and balanced. The UN tries to sanction Israel and it's heavy handed and unfair.

Pretty much sums it up.

lowing wrote:

PureFodder wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Again NO!, this link show you and gives examples of how the UN acts and how the UN treats Israel, it gives examples of this, not just numbers but events. It clearly points out the double standards used against Israel. Precisly the info you requested.

No, I requested proof that each of the resolutions agaisnt Israel is unfair. If the UN spends more money and effort regarding Israel than any other country, it doesn't mean that the findings are wrong.

Again you fail to respond to the complete lack of consequences for Israeli violations. A clear bias in favour of Israel.

You asked for examples as to how Israel was being traeted unfair, I gave those to you, you will not accept that. Nothing more I am willing to do about it.

Funny how it is easy to find link after link of UN bias against Israel, and you can not find any that show how the UN treats Israel fairly.

Braddock wrote:

lowing wrote:

Braddock wrote:

You are continually proving my point lowing. Good going.

I've already highlighted the faults and flaws of the Palestinian side... you on the other hand can see no wrong in how Israel conducts its business.

Nope I am not, I am taking a side, I side that I feel is in the right. Israel deserves to exist, it deserves to exist in peace and would do so if left the fuck alone.

You support terror groups ( just not their actions) that use cililians as shields as they launch attacks from amongst them. You support nations that have waged war against Israel from literally the day after it was formed. I believe Israel if left alone, would not seek to destroy anyone, or conquor the entire region. It merely wants to exist. Yet no one seems to want that to happen. Israel is not going anywhere without a fight. A fight they will win. So if everyone feels they need to keep fucking with Israel then they will continue to suffer under Israel's resolve to defend itself and yes, have the nerve to actually win any fight that is brought to it.

Personally I do not give a shit about Israel or Palastine. I have chosen a side based on what I believe is right and wrong, and I think the UN and the world, needs to finally accept Israel and leave them the fuck alone.

Yet again you cannot bring yourself to criticize a single thing Israel does... not one thing. They are angels in your eyes. This kind of sums up the black and white, clear-cut way you view the world.

You have chosen a side based on the underlying, fundamental principle you believe to be right... same as me, except I support the Palestinian side. I see Israel as a force that has established itself in a region where other people were already living. They did this by means of terrorism - by that I mean both the terror campaign they waged in the run up to the foundation of Israel and the collective punishment they use to consolidate their grip on the region. They continue to seize land that is not theirs - as recognised by the International community and UN. They build up WMD stockpiles in the same way as countries that are invaded for this very reason. They operate a two-tier, apartheid society where practitioners of Judaism are given preferential treatment. I believe at this stage that Israel must be ultimately accepted as a legitimate nation by its Arab neighbours as we are too far down this road to undo what has been done, but it must meet the Arab neighbours it has wronged halfway in this regard. I support the fundamental Palestinian cause but I cannot turn a blind eye to innocent people being killed in the name of that cause, you on the other hand, it would seem, can allow your morality to bend and twist around such words as "collateral damage" and "greater good".

And by the way, the UN and Internationally community already recognises Israel, which is a lot more than can be said for Palestine, which is still barely more than a de facto nation.

TheAussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

If Palastine wnats my sympathy, then:

1. loose Hamas as your offical govt.

2. stop launching attacks into Israel

3. stop using women and children as shields if they refuse to stop attacking.

1. Don't spit on a foreign countries democratically elected Govt. The Palestinians turned the Hamas because it was the only group who promised to stand up against Israel.

2. By now each attack is retaliation for another attack. You should know this by now. Israel kills a civilian, so that civilians family want revenge. So they kill an Israeli civilian and then the cycle goes on. It has been for years.

3. Don't know how you use women and children as shields when it's a helicopter that's firing down on you.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

If you hit me with a ball bat, I am wrong for taking that ball bat from you and then beating you t oa bloody stump? In your eyes, I guess I am.

If refugee camp or ghetto then you're in the wrong.you've stolen my country, my land, my home, my property, my livelihood, killed my parents, grandparents, and condemned me, my wife and children to live in a

If I hit you with a bat you shouldn't be surprised, in fact according to your argument that homeowners, and their neighbours, are entitled to shoot thieves I'm in the right - not you.

Following the same logic you shouldn't be surprised if my brothers and neighbours also show up to beat you with a bat.

If you continue to steal my land you really shouldn't be surprised about anything.

Dilbert_X wrote:

Lowing wrote:

Israel has been continously attacked and terrorized since its independence

And Germany was continually attacked and terrorised since they annexed Poland and Czechoslovakia.

Lowing wrote:

( just like the Jews themselves before Israel existed )

The jews haven't really suffered any more than anyone else, they just whinge a lot louder, they've also stictch multiple historical ethnic groups together to try to claim ownership of Israel.

Lowing wrote:

<-------with this quote it is really hard to tell just who you are referring to, could this not also refer to the Jews?

No it couldn't, please explain how it could. (You've garbled it BTW)

The jews weren't thrown out of Palestine, they decided to leave for a better life in Europe.

The Palestinians were thrown out of their own land by the Israelis, based on some 2,000 year old mumbo-jumbo.
The UN did not approve that BTW, the freedoms and land ownership rights of the Palestiinians were supposed to be respected, maybe thats why the UN is pissed off.

Don't see any similarity TBH.

lowing wrote:

1. Ya lost me, are you admitting or denying that Israel has been continuously attacked and terrorized ever since the UN the established the state of Israel?

lowing wrote:

2. Oh I see, they were not driven out, they just one day decided to pack up and give Europe a try huh?

lowing wrote:

3. Perhaps, but did anyone respect the Jews or Israel? Or are you telling me that everyone accepted Israel but the day after independence Israel started conquoring the region.