surely you'll be reimbursed for everything, it's his fuck up
lol his excuses were so funny. i dropped my scary official-sounding legalese talk on him (fuck yeah a-grade a-level law) and he crumped like a little bitch. i just got a full paypal refund ("i am sooo sorry for the misunderstanding") and a quick wimpy ebay message saying "ok i just gave you a full refund on paypal!!!".
now i'm disputing paying for the costs of redelivering the item - it's fragile, big and really heavy. turntables are difficult freight. it'll cost me £30 to return it, which i am explaining to him that in the buyer-seller contract is not my obligation. i already paid £20 delivery costs in the first place and expected a full working item. i am not prepared to pay another £30 to send it back because of his error. so right now i'm sat with a +£220 refund in my paypal account and a turntable that will cost maybe £50 to get to full working condition again.
now i'm disputing paying for the costs of redelivering the item - it's fragile, big and really heavy. turntables are difficult freight. it'll cost me £30 to return it, which i am explaining to him that in the buyer-seller contract is not my obligation. i already paid £20 delivery costs in the first place and expected a full working item. i am not prepared to pay another £30 to send it back because of his error. so right now i'm sat with a +£220 refund in my paypal account and a turntable that will cost maybe £50 to get to full working condition again.
Last edited by Uzique (2011-12-22 07:35:39)
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yeah NICE NEEDLE BRO GONNA PLAY SOME RECORDS ON THIS 2NITE
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fwp is thataway
Where did you find the 4th foot?
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
well this is also what i bought today. it just happens to be a hunk of shit. £800's worth of turntable in deplorable conditions. this guy has destroyed something beautiful and then delivered me the remains.
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there isn't one. it's totally not there. wasn't sent with one.Pochsy wrote:
Where did you find the 4th foot?
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So you're propping it up somehow? That's shitty.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
i'm not using it. what's the point propping it up? you can see in the image above that the needle stylus is also non-existent. the only way i can get sound out of it is if i force the needle-head down onto the record with my hand (bad for the record), then i can hear the eerie sound of the music actually coming off the vinyl-disc itself (this is a cool effect in itself but shreds the vinyl)
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gottcha. I skim read the last page and missed the part about the needle being also MIA. 70quid to get a decent one, ouch. At least you got the refund to pay for it with.
The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families
well technically i'm down -£20 and still don't have the item i wanted. paypal doesn't reimburse the ebay delivery charge. but yeah, i've flat out told him that after this joke i'm not paying the £30 courier charge to send it back to him - if he wants it he can pay for the courier, as he rightly should do (the fuckup is his responsibility after all, and i paid the initial delivery cost). in his first response he said "if it's knackered then don't bother sending it back because i don't want it - will you take £100 refund?" i said FUCK NO cause why would i want £100 back when i've just paid him £220 about 2 days ago? what a fucking mong idea. but now he's panicked after i dropped my I AM THE LAW! full-blown uzique-style-posting on him and scared him shitless. paypal says i've received a refund of £200 but it isn't in my actual bank account yet, so i'm holding my breath. paypal says it has credited my account but the funds still aren't there yet. but if that refund goes through as it should and i get my £200... and if he doesn't pay for the return delivery... i'm going to be sitting on my original £200 budget plus a turntable with a second-hand value (when working) of anything between £250-500. first-hand value of £900. to replace the needle-stylus individually (i.e. not the cartridge and head as well) and find a spare foot (which will be difficult) would probably cost me about £40, max. i could profit from this hugely. and it's 100% down to the fact i engaged my 'terrify with formal sounding legal letter' skills. fuck yeah.
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Two footlong subs
Bill Bryson - a walk in the woods
Bill bryson - down under
Bill Bryson - a walk in the woods
Bill bryson - down under
for a fatty you're a serious intellectual lightweight.
on a brighter note this came today in the post too... something i bought today that does work. mega mega album.
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Wait, so now you're keeping it?Uzique wrote:
lol his excuses were so funny. i dropped my scary official-sounding legalese talk on him (fuck yeah a-grade a-level law) and he crumped like a little bitch. i just got a full paypal refund ("i am sooo sorry for the misunderstanding") and a quick wimpy ebay message saying "ok i just gave you a full refund on paypal!!!".
now i'm disputing paying for the costs of redelivering the item - it's fragile, big and really heavy. turntables are difficult freight. it'll cost me £30 to return it, which i am explaining to him that in the buyer-seller contract is not my obligation. i already paid £20 delivery costs in the first place and expected a full working item. i am not prepared to pay another £30 to send it back because of his error. so right now i'm sat with a +£220 refund in my paypal account and a turntable that will cost maybe £50 to get to full working condition again.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
yeah haha. well now the ball is totally in my court anyway. i have all my money back (except £20) and he's basically relying on my buyer's decency/kindness to agree to send the item back. i've said he'll have to arrange the courier to come and pick it up because i'm not paying shit towards it (and so i shouldn't have to, either). but of course i'm under no legal obligation to be here whenever his courier turns up, nor do i have to actually hand over the shit. i have my money back and i have a deck worth a lot of money. it will need some parts replacing but that will be pretty cheap compared to the whole value of the item. right now he's still denying that there's anything wrong with the item (he's refunded me so clearly he isn't convinced himself, haha) and i'm telling him what is wrong. i'm also making out that to replace it will cost £150'ish (which it would if you took it to a shop to get the missing parts replaced by retail brand-new parts). this guy originally opened with a complaint that the delivery cost him £5 more than the price he stated on ebay (his fault - not mine) so i'm guessing he's a stingy fuck or just a broke kid that doesn't know what he's doing. i'm gonna make out that the deck will cost a lot to get to a sell-able quality (half true) and i'm gonna insist he pays the courier pick-up fees (totally reasonable), in the hope he'll let me keep it as junk. the original auction was £220 so if i can plausibly convince him it's gonna cost him £150 (incl. courier costs involved) to get it back and get it to a working quality, then maybe i wrangle it out of him.
this is 100% down to my style and tone of writing. i'm being totally legalese and formal and stiff with him and it's scaring him shitless. he thinks he's wrapped up in some fraud deal where i have the power to report him to ebay and get him in serious shit. this is why. this has totally gone from me getting potentially ebay fucked (his original response-offer was "i'll refund you £100 of it") to me being in a very pretty position.
this is 100% down to my style and tone of writing. i'm being totally legalese and formal and stiff with him and it's scaring him shitless. he thinks he's wrapped up in some fraud deal where i have the power to report him to ebay and get him in serious shit. this is why. this has totally gone from me getting potentially ebay fucked (his original response-offer was "i'll refund you £100 of it") to me being in a very pretty position.
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Return the friggin turntable. You're trying to rip him off now when you know damn well that for £200 you were getting a steal of a bargain in the first place, no matter what condition it arrived in. This doesn't make you cool, it makes you a chav.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
It wasn't a steal of a bargain? The average price for a second hand SL1210 is anywhere between £175 and £400 - depending on the quality and how intact the various parts are. See the Amazon.co.uk official resellers if you don't believe me. the item because of its discontinued status sells for £900 brand new... hence why a thriving second hand market exists. i was shopping for good-condition, completely intact turntable and i paid an average ebay price for one. what i got was a turntable that doesn't even work. the value of these turntables increases a lot as well if small things like the dust-cover is included/intact, or if the needle provided is a good quality... or even if just the cosmetics are in good shape. every little detail matters a lot when the only viable option for most buyers is the second-hand route (cause fuck paying a grand for one turntable and two grand for a dj set-up brand-new). the item i received was literally fucked in every single way. laughably bad. it won't even play a record because a) it can't stand up and b) it doesn't have a fucking needle, the one that was supposed to be included was snapped. so how am i scamming someone? i paid a fair price and he tried to burn me out of £100 as a 'settlement. um fuck that.
Last edited by Uzique (2011-12-22 09:18:45)
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And now you're trying to burn him out of £200, and bragging about it.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
burn him? are you fucking retarded? the ebay auction was for a like-new "in excellent general condition" item. what he sent me was such garbage that it didn't even work at a basic functional level. not even getting around to the fact that it was far from in "excellent general condition" cosmetically, because it was a scratched and dirty piece of shit. he tried to burn me out of £100 by saying i could "keep it as junk" if he partially-refunded me. when i was expecting an as-new item! that was him being "a chav", because he clearly knew the item was fucked (you can't pack a massive heavy turntable into a box without realising it's missing one of its 4 fucking foot-supports, come on...). all i'm doing now is insisting on him paying for the courier fees. of course i'll let him have it back if he pays for a courier to come pick it up, that's his £40 prerogative. all i'm doing now is doing what he did to me and giving him payback for being a shitty, dishonest seller. i'm hardly ebay preying here. this guy has ruined my day.
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my last message. how am i being shitty? that is all true. all i'm saying is that he sounds like a stingy shit (complaining about £5 extra delivery costs when sending it to me) so i'm secretly crossing my fingers that he decides it's not worth paying to retrieve. stop being a douche for the sake of being a douche, galt.I will put the pictures on the Internet for you now, I am just transferring them from my iPhone. And I'm afraid I'm not interested in giving you any money to keep the decks because it will simply cost me too much money, time and effort to get them working. A good-condition working 1210MK2 can be got for £175 on eBay from many other Sellers. This deck will at the very least require a new DJ needle (£50-75) and a replacement foot, which will be very expensive because all of Technics replacements parts are, now that they have officially stopped making the SL1210's. Time and money that I don't want to spend. This is also not counting the fact that the lid was cracked and that the item was not in good or clean condition. I was intending to buy an "excellent and fully working" item and I don't want to spend my time and money getting new parts for a half-broken item. Needle + replacement feet + replacement dust cover will cost at least £125-150, depending on the availability of the feet. As I said I can get a no-hassle good-condition item on eBay for £175 so it makes no sense to me to give you money to keep the faulty item. I hope this full explanation settles the matter as I simply do not want the item in its faulty condition which will be costly to me to correct. Arranging a courier pick-up is your sole responsibility at this point. I have repacked the item in a much-better way than it was originally delivered.
Regards,
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Can you not buy a stylus for ~$70 brand new? It's not like they don't wear out anyway.Uzique wrote:
burn him? are you fucking retarded? the ebay auction was for a like-new "in excellent general condition" item. what he sent me was such garbage that it didn't even work at a basic functional level. not even getting around to the fact that it was far from in "excellent general condition" cosmetically, because it was a scratched and dirty piece of shit. he tried to burn me out of £100 by saying i could "keep it as junk" if he partially-refunded me. when i was expecting an as-new item! that was him being "a chav", because he clearly knew the item was fucked (you can't pack a massive heavy turntable into a box without realising it's missing one of its 4 fucking foot-supports, come on...). all i'm doing now is insisting on him paying for the courier fees. of course i'll let him have it back if he pays for a courier to come pick it up, that's his £40 prerogative. all i'm doing now is doing what he did to me and giving him payback for being a shitty, dishonest seller. i'm hardly ebay preying here. this guy has ruined my day.
Edit - Ok, fair enough.
Last edited by Jay (2011-12-22 09:28:17)
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-Frederick Bastiat
-Frederick Bastiat
You're secretly hoping that he gives you something that he doesn't know it's true worth? Free? By scaring him with pretty words?Uzique wrote:
my last message. how am i being shitty? that is all true. all i'm saying is that he sounds like a stingy shit (complaining about £5 extra delivery costs when sending it to me) so i'm secretly crossing my fingers that he decides it's not worth paying to retrieve. stop being a douche for the sake of being a douche, galt.I will put the pictures on the Internet for you now, I am just transferring them from my iPhone. And I'm afraid I'm not interested in giving you any money to keep the decks because it will simply cost me too much money, time and effort to get them working. A good-condition working 1210MK2 can be got for £175 on eBay from many other Sellers. This deck will at the very least require a new DJ needle (£50-75) and a replacement foot, which will be very expensive because all of Technics replacements parts are, now that they have officially stopped making the SL1210's. Time and money that I don't want to spend. This is also not counting the fact that the lid was cracked and that the item was not in good or clean condition. I was intending to buy an "excellent and fully working" item and I don't want to spend my time and money getting new parts for a half-broken item. Needle + replacement feet + replacement dust cover will cost at least £125-150, depending on the availability of the feet. As I said I can get a no-hassle good-condition item on eBay for £175 so it makes no sense to me to give you money to keep the faulty item. I hope this full explanation settles the matter as I simply do not want the item in its faulty condition which will be costly to me to correct. Arranging a courier pick-up is your sole responsibility at this point. I have repacked the item in a much-better way than it was originally delivered.
Regards,
Yeah, sounds decent to me.
styluses wear out often, yes. but i need a DJ stylus, which is more durable and better performing (the needle is technically different shaped to normal consumer-listener needles) and they are consequently pretty expensive. £75 is the going-rate, which is nearer to $150 than $70. also the dust-covers in as-new condition sell for £40-50 on ebay, because of the fact they have been discontinued. as for replacing the foot - which the turntable will not work without, period - that will be really fucking hard. how can you buy one replacement foot for an item that isn't manufactured anymore? even if I can find this incredibly niche item, i'm going to have to obviously buy the set of 4. furthermore, if a discontinued dust-cover cost £40, i don't even want to know how much 4 weighted feet cost. so at a conservative estimte that's £75+£40+£~50 = £165. i've already lost £20 for the initial delivery so that's £185 cost to me. i paid £200 for it originally. maybe now you can see why i'm hoping he'll cut his own losses and just let me keep it when i present him with this repair-evidence. cause he will have to at least buy a new needle and foot if he wants to resell it on ebay. some people will buy them without dust-covers (non-essential) but it won't even work without the other parts. and this is a guy that was complaining the original delivery cost him £5 more than expected. hence me crossing my fingers. see i'm not being a douche now?
may i remind you this guy tried to blow me off and refused to refund me until i dropped the scary legal language on him. he was gonna take the £200 of mine and run and leave me with a broken, expensive-to-repair piece of junk. the only reason he refunded me was cause i scared him. period. his attitude was "i can give you £100 back but that's it" before i dropped the long legal-letter bomb on him. so fuck off suggesting i'm being dishonest. no shit i'm hoping some cunt that has cost me a lot of time and bother will be retarded enough to refuse to pay for a courier pick-up.
may i remind you this guy tried to blow me off and refused to refund me until i dropped the scary legal language on him. he was gonna take the £200 of mine and run and leave me with a broken, expensive-to-repair piece of junk. the only reason he refunded me was cause i scared him. period. his attitude was "i can give you £100 back but that's it" before i dropped the long legal-letter bomb on him. so fuck off suggesting i'm being dishonest. no shit i'm hoping some cunt that has cost me a lot of time and bother will be retarded enough to refuse to pay for a courier pick-up.
Last edited by Uzique (2011-12-22 09:35:50)
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ok, my post was based on you saying you thought you could fix it for £50
i can get a new stylus-only for £50 (i.e. not replacing the entire needle, head and cartridge) but that still means i'll be propping up a dirty, scratched, bad condition deck using a book or something and letting my records get dusty. i paid for an as-new condition item that could definitely stand up straight, at least. the guy fucked up bad, totally mis-sold something, and now - no shit - i'm gonna flat refuse to send it back. if he doesn't want to pay for it to be collected, no shit i'm gonna gladly keep it. he's already cost me an afternoon and £20.
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