I AM A TANK i have many tank brothers and sisters that faught in wars
Poll
In RealLife The Better Tank is ?
| T72 | 2% | 2% - 9 | ||||
| T80 | 10% | 10% - 35 | ||||
| M1A Abrams | 62% | 62% - 220 | ||||
| others | 24% | 24% - 86 | ||||
| Total: 350 | ||||||
I AM A TOW i have many brothers and sisters aiming for your back
t-72/t-80 have a mechanical arm that loads the tank round. they have one less crew member (the loader) than the abrams tank.
dunno if its true but the mechanical arm that autoloads the tank rounds also tends to rip off the arm of the gunner if it gets in the way.
to the guy who mentioned that soviet tanks have ERAs... americans also have this type of technology. they often use it on the bradley fighting vehicle. m1a2 tanks that fought in the first gulf war also had ERA armor. but the ERA tiles add to the weight of the vehicle and is one time use only. if a tank round takes out a group of ERA tiles then that area can now be penetrated by another round (assuming they can hit the same spot). small arms fire does not trigger ERA. only high energy rounds can make ERA tiles explode.
dunno if its true but the mechanical arm that autoloads the tank rounds also tends to rip off the arm of the gunner if it gets in the way.
to the guy who mentioned that soviet tanks have ERAs... americans also have this type of technology. they often use it on the bradley fighting vehicle. m1a2 tanks that fought in the first gulf war also had ERA armor. but the ERA tiles add to the weight of the vehicle and is one time use only. if a tank round takes out a group of ERA tiles then that area can now be penetrated by another round (assuming they can hit the same spot). small arms fire does not trigger ERA. only high energy rounds can make ERA tiles explode.
no discipline at all, they're just a bunch of crazy cowboys! for some reason americans think they're superior in everything but they're NOT basically...[TUF]Catbox wrote:
the power of the BF2 tanks are determined by a .con file... lol... US military rules... its not just the vehicles...
it's the ingenuity and bravery of our men and women... we are a melting pot of the best people in the world...
Peace through superior firepower... CB
You're retarded or something.Sunday8PM wrote:
no discipline at all, they're just a bunch of crazy cowboys! for some reason americans think they're superior in everything but they're NOT basically...[TUF]Catbox wrote:
the power of the BF2 tanks are determined by a .con file... lol... US military rules... its not just the vehicles...
it's the ingenuity and bravery of our men and women... we are a melting pot of the best people in the world...
Peace through superior firepower... CB
way to go with your argument. care to explain why he is retarded?n1nj41c l337ne55 wrote:
You're retarded or something.Sunday8PM wrote:
no discipline at all, they're just a bunch of crazy cowboys! for some reason americans think they're superior in everything but they're NOT basically...[TUF]Catbox wrote:
the power of the BF2 tanks are determined by a .con file... lol... US military rules... its not just the vehicles...
it's the ingenuity and bravery of our men and women... we are a melting pot of the best people in the world...
Peace through superior firepower... CB
lol yeah, why? me thinks... cos he's an american, he knows that what I said is true and he couldn't come up with anything better than "You're retarded" and then he ran to hide. grow up!bigelectricat wrote:
way to go with your argument. care to explain why he is retarded?n1nj41c l337ne55 wrote:
You're retarded or something.Sunday8PM wrote:
no discipline at all, they're just a bunch of crazy cowboys! for some reason americans think they're superior in everything but they're NOT basically...
US arent good soldiers. They're kids. I reckon the best soldiers are Brits/Aussies, but most of all, many of the Asian countries. Koreans and shit are hardcore.
Oh, im australian, so my countries soldiers are the best. It's no lie that the SAS are going down. They used to be the best. The Delta force haven't had one succesful operation ever. The spetznatz are moderate. Saddam Husseins personal bodyguards were probably the best a few years ago, but no more.Greenie_Beazinie wrote:
US arent good soldiers. They're kids. I reckon the best soldiers are Brits/Aussies, but most of all, many of the Asian countries. Koreans and shit are hardcore.
The best ones are the smaller countries. Like Denmarks Rangers, or Italian paratroopers. It's hard to say..
THE SWEDISH SSG PWN ALL COUNTRIES!!
Well you got me there!!! 20 Million + Now that is a stat that any country would be proud of stating… except you don’t mention what number of the USSR soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines that died because the government only gave ammo to every other man. Also what about the commissars that shot men for retreating?Sinyukov wrote:
How can you say some stupid shit like that.Medic875 wrote:
What a load of crap!!!Spetz wrote:
2ndLt.Tucker you said the iraqies had the worlds largest air defence system in the world, how does that have bearing the soldiers entered iraq through saudi arabia, and a second note it may have been the largest air defence system but it wasn't operational
only truly operational air defence system in the world is the one in the URAL mountains, and its mainly used for anti balistic missile purposes
america has never fought a well equiped or well trained oponent since WW2, and still you had to resort to the H bomb to win it for you
If not for the US All of mainland Europe would be jacksteping to the Nazi Leaders orders. And as for using the Atomic Bombs, well it save milions of Japanese lifes (ala: Kamikaze).
The US is not perfect by any standard, no one else is either; however, I don't seem to remember anyone calling for help (last hundred years or so) from the Brazilians or French or South Afrikaans etc. A lot of US blood has been spilled to help keep FREEDOM for a lot of the world.
20,000,000+ lives have been lost from Soviet Union in WWII so what they don't matter or anything? How can you claim that it was just US that came and destroyed the nazis. As far as I remember reading in books and hearing from people who lived through those times (i.e. my grandmother, grandfather, and my late great grandmothers), by the time US landed for the D-day USSR had already turned the tide and was marching toward Berlin. I personally think that you're comments are offensive to me as a Russian and a great grandson of a Person who went through the entire WWII, Nazi concentration camps and post war imprisonment for allegendly being a traitor. It was not US that won the war, it was not USSR that won the war, It was the world that won that war together. US fought Japan while Europe fought Germany. Later they combined after Japan posed no real threat. Just an FYI.
P.S. By the time US started bombing Germans for the first time, Russians had already turned the tide and were freeing captured cities.
here's a link of the timeline: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … w2time.htm
One more little edit. Just a thought, but for all of you who actually think US won WWII. The only reason why D-Day or any other onland operation was a success was because Germany was fighting TWO fronts. They were fighting Russia or USSR at that time which was advancing massively with arguably the BEST Medium tanks in that war period T-34/76 and T-34/86s and they were fighting US and Britain on the Western front. Now imagine if USSR fell victim then you guys would have to face Germany in its full might which would not be so easy to Defeat US had three biggest disadvantages in that war. It is a different continent which did not allow imediate resupplies was the first and the second was their armor power (not air power but armor) was weak German SuperTigers would have owned almost anything dished out at them and by the time reinforcements arrived they would have had new tanks waiting. Also Remember the Luftwafe (don't know about the spelling) airpower of Germans? It was the best airforce of WWII and is still considered the defining force of the 20th century. You put this together and Germany was way to powerful for US and Britain to take by themselves which automatically means that US DIDN'T win this war. Plus US was divided fighting to Countries at once. This war was won by All COUTRIES EQUALLY.
As to you being the relative of a “Hero of the Motherland”, you must be the only person alive that had someone from your family to fight in the war. Oops, that’s right I had one or two dozen from my family that fought in the war. Also I am sorry that your Great Grandfather was imprisoned for being a traitor. What was he in favor of? One man on vote. Freedom. Not the curshing boot of Uncle Joe?
I don’t think I stated anything against the USSR in my original post. What I was answering was your and most revisionist idea that the US were bastards for using the bomb. I think that most historians would agree that MILIONS of common folks in Japan would have died as lead catchers for the Emperor.
As to your assertion that the US was the loser of WWII, well I think that any right thinking person will see and know that you are mistaken and will feel pity on you and your communist backed education.
Now every tank has its drawbacks IE the Abrams Turbine engine. But the 1 tank I think has the biggest drawcak right now would be the Leopard. Just look at the turret desigh at the front. Looks like a big funnel straight to the turret ring
my army's better than your's......my tanks better than your's.......wtf......grow up for fucks sake
What you think you know about the M1 is what they tell you. They can do alot more. Seeing as probably almost NONe of you have probably seen one do its thing. You wouldnt have a clue.
Agreedreddersaj wrote:
my army's better than your's......my tanks better than your's.......wtf......grow up for fucks sake
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Sometimes the T80s " mechanical arm " loads a Crew member instead. OOPS !bigelectricat wrote:
t-72/t-80 have a mechanical arm that loads the tank round. they have one less crew member (the loader) than the abrams tank.
dunno if its true but the mechanical arm that autoloads the tank rounds also tends to rip off the arm of the gunner if it gets in the way.
to the guy who mentioned that soviet tanks have ERAs... americans also have this type of technology. they often use it on the bradley fighting vehicle. m1a2 tanks that fought in the first gulf war also had ERA armor. but the ERA tiles add to the weight of the vehicle and is one time use only. if a tank round takes out a group of ERA tiles then that area can now be penetrated by another round (assuming they can hit the same spot). small arms fire does not trigger ERA. only high energy rounds can make ERA tiles explode.
My light sabre owns and pwns u all and ur tanks. and if you want to attack me with airforce, i just mess up your guiding system with my "force" no, serious, death star rules...
USA was surely the looser, they just came over when all the dirty work was done by the russians and brits. You sissy little punks had no chance against the german amor, all you did was bombing all down. Just look at the Battle of the Bulge when the USA had no air backup cos of the bad weather, they were smashed to crap and run away crying. They had the crappiest tanks of all, the only advantage was they had large numbers. Just look at the Kingtigers, they eat douzens of shermans for breakfast.Medic875 wrote:
Well you got me there!!! 20 Million + Now that is a stat that any country would be proud of stating… except you don’t mention what number of the USSR soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines that died because the government only gave ammo to every other man. Also what about the commissars that shot men for retreating?
As to you being the relative of a “Hero of the Motherland”, you must be the only person alive that had someone from your family to fight in the war. Oops, that’s right I had one or two dozen from my family that fought in the war. Also I am sorry that your Great Grandfather was imprisoned for being a traitor. What was he in favor of? One man on vote. Freedom. Not the curshing boot of Uncle Joe?
I don’t think I stated anything against the USSR in my original post. What I was answering was your and most revisionist idea that the US were bastards for using the bomb. I think that most historians would agree that MILIONS of common folks in Japan would have died as lead catchers for the Emperor.
As to your assertion that the US was the loser of WWII, well I think that any right thinking person will see and know that you are mistaken and will feel pity on you and your communist backed education.
AHHAHAHAHAHAMedic875 wrote:
Well you got me there!!! 20 Million + Now that is a stat that any country would be proud of stating… except you don’t mention what number of the USSR soldiers, sailors, airmen, marines that died because the government only gave ammo to every other man. Also what about the commissars that shot men for retreating?Sinyukov wrote:
How can you say some stupid shit like that.Medic875 wrote:
What a load of crap!!!
If not for the US All of mainland Europe would be jacksteping to the Nazi Leaders orders. And as for using the Atomic Bombs, well it save milions of Japanese lifes (ala: Kamikaze).
The US is not perfect by any standard, no one else is either; however, I don't seem to remember anyone calling for help (last hundred years or so) from the Brazilians or French or South Afrikaans etc. A lot of US blood has been spilled to help keep FREEDOM for a lot of the world.
20,000,000+ lives have been lost from Soviet Union in WWII so what they don't matter or anything? How can you claim that it was just US that came and destroyed the nazis. As far as I remember reading in books and hearing from people who lived through those times (i.e. my grandmother, grandfather, and my late great grandmothers), by the time US landed for the D-day USSR had already turned the tide and was marching toward Berlin. I personally think that you're comments are offensive to me as a Russian and a great grandson of a Person who went through the entire WWII, Nazi concentration camps and post war imprisonment for allegendly being a traitor. It was not US that won the war, it was not USSR that won the war, It was the world that won that war together. US fought Japan while Europe fought Germany. Later they combined after Japan posed no real threat. Just an FYI.
P.S. By the time US started bombing Germans for the first time, Russians had already turned the tide and were freeing captured cities.
here's a link of the timeline: http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/t … w2time.htm
One more little edit. Just a thought, but for all of you who actually think US won WWII. The only reason why D-Day or any other onland operation was a success was because Germany was fighting TWO fronts. They were fighting Russia or USSR at that time which was advancing massively with arguably the BEST Medium tanks in that war period T-34/76 and T-34/86s and they were fighting US and Britain on the Western front. Now imagine if USSR fell victim then you guys would have to face Germany in its full might which would not be so easy to Defeat US had three biggest disadvantages in that war. It is a different continent which did not allow imediate resupplies was the first and the second was their armor power (not air power but armor) was weak German SuperTigers would have owned almost anything dished out at them and by the time reinforcements arrived they would have had new tanks waiting. Also Remember the Luftwafe (don't know about the spelling) airpower of Germans? It was the best airforce of WWII and is still considered the defining force of the 20th century. You put this together and Germany was way to powerful for US and Britain to take by themselves which automatically means that US DIDN'T win this war. Plus US was divided fighting to Countries at once. This war was won by All COUTRIES EQUALLY.
As to you being the relative of a “Hero of the Motherland”, you must be the only person alive that had someone from your family to fight in the war. Oops, that’s right I had one or two dozen from my family that fought in the war. Also I am sorry that your Great Grandfather was imprisoned for being a traitor. What was he in favor of? One man on vote. Freedom. Not the curshing boot of Uncle Joe?
I don’t think I stated anything against the USSR in my original post. What I was answering was your and most revisionist idea that the US were bastards for using the bomb. I think that most historians would agree that MILIONS of common folks in Japan would have died as lead catchers for the Emperor.
As to your assertion that the US was the loser of WWII, well I think that any right thinking person will see and know that you are mistaken and will feel pity on you and your communist backed education.
Another ignorant moron. Lets start from the begining all this bullshit about every other man is very hilarious. Every man was given a rifle back then and every man had ammo. Not a lot I think around 5 or six rounds because there wasn't enough to give more. Now You stated that US won the war for everyone. That is what I was disagreening with I clearly stated that IT WAS NOT JUST US BUT ALL COUNTRIES. And third I NEVER SAID THAT US LOST THE WAR. And last but not least my COMMUNIST BACKED EDUCATION is far more superior then your second grade education so go read some history books before going into a topic which you apperantly have no idea how to answer.
It was a collective effort on all countries to win WW2. The Russians where making big gains on the eastern front but with the eastern front being pushed back to Germany Stalin needed the Brits, U.S. and others in the west to cause a diversion. Thus D-Day which took vital equipment and soldiers from the east front. To say any one country one WW2 is foolish and need to read their history books from each side of the front
Thank You for proving my point.LW_lcarp wrote:
It was a collective effort on all countries to win WW2. The Russians where making big gains on the eastern front but with the eastern front being pushed back to Germany Stalin needed the Brits, U.S. and others in the west to cause a diversion. Thus D-Day which took vital equipment and soldiers from the east front. To say any one country one WW2 is foolish and need to read their history books from each side of the front
Last edited by Sinyukov (2006-01-31 21:15:39)
Did time as a 11B and a 11M (light and mechanized infantry) also crewed on board M60A1, and a M1A1. Can't beat the Abrams 90% first round probability to kill, my two cents.
Preach Bratyetz, Preach!!!Rus_78_Region wrote:
Russia Rules )
Россия сильнее всех
Wieeeeeeeee ^.^
(by the wey, RUSSIA rules.)
period
Boy am I glad I'm not a member of the US military risking my life on your behalf right now O_o.specops10-4 wrote:
I can't stand that people think the Iraq war is a Vietnam, we lose a few soldiers here a few soldiers there but the media has blown it way out of porportion. But the insurgents do kill many civilians but not too many soldiers...Sinyukov wrote:
Not to be a buzzkill or anything, with whats going on in Iraq, we are looking at the second Vietnam.oberst_enzian wrote:
the most interesting and relevent point in this thread so far. superior technology alone will never win the day. you have to believe in what you're fighting for. all the recent american military successes will never erase the memory of vietnam.
You lose a few soldiers here and there but it's blown out of proportion? Way to value human life there buddy, especially those of people who've put themselves in harm's way to protect you and your country (whether you agree with the politics behind their deployment or not that is in fact what they are trying to do). No one will disagree that the deaths of Iraqi civilians are anything but a tragedy but how about a little respect for those men and women from your own country too, eh?
Last edited by RhadamanthysSCC (2006-01-31 22:48:19)
Only a retard would think that the T-72, T-80, or T-90 is better than the Leo, challenger, or abrams... I've been on Soviet tanks and spent years serving in an M1A2. The Soviet's would pour their turrets out of a cast.... talk about no protection. I have mowed down troop targets with the coax at 800 meters with deadly accuracy, clover leafed 3 sabot rounds in a target at 1500 meters, and had no problem hiting small PCs at 1700+ meters while going 40mph across moderate terrain. I know for a fact that the T-72 couldn't hit shit with a sabot round at 1500 meters while moving, its fire control system was shit, and had crap stabilization for the gun. Hell the T-72 wasn't even designed to be accurate on the move.
Yep the Soviets make great weapons on paper..... Name One Battle that proved these weapons were great.
And please don't even respond if you are < 18 and just read about crap in your latest tank sim game.
As for the Anti-America crap, If it wasn't for the US spending Billions each year on the Military and standing up to SmackTards like Sadam, all these other countries that put down America would need to bankrupt themselves building a Military or be taken out by the likes of North Korea, Iraq, Iran, China, and the Soviets that would still exist. As an American I am all for Isolating our nations and not spending billions on the Military and Pulling our troops out of Europe/Korea. It must be nice for France and Canada not to have to spend money on a military and instead spend it on their social programs all the while poking at America with a stick while hiding behind its military. How Rich could America be if it didn't have to police the world and spend Billions on the Military. God Bless the Brits, Aussies and Americans. Three of the last countries you don't have to be ashamed to be from...... I'd have thrown in Ireland, but it would have pissed them off to be grouped with the English.
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Yep the Soviets make great weapons on paper..... Name One Battle that proved these weapons were great.
And please don't even respond if you are < 18 and just read about crap in your latest tank sim game.
As for the Anti-America crap, If it wasn't for the US spending Billions each year on the Military and standing up to SmackTards like Sadam, all these other countries that put down America would need to bankrupt themselves building a Military or be taken out by the likes of North Korea, Iraq, Iran, China, and the Soviets that would still exist. As an American I am all for Isolating our nations and not spending billions on the Military and Pulling our troops out of Europe/Korea. It must be nice for France and Canada not to have to spend money on a military and instead spend it on their social programs all the while poking at America with a stick while hiding behind its military. How Rich could America be if it didn't have to police the world and spend Billions on the Military. God Bless the Brits, Aussies and Americans. Three of the last countries you don't have to be ashamed to be from...... I'd have thrown in Ireland, but it would have pissed them off to be grouped with the English.
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i'd be ashamed if i were british, England is the shabbiest country on earth. And it wouldn't be better to be an ignorant redneck aussie, i'll tell u thatMajor_Spittle wrote:
Only a retard would think that the T-72, T-80, or T-90 is better than the Leo, challenger, or abrams... I've been on Soviet tanks and spent years serving in an M1A2. The Soviet's would pour their turrets out of a cast.... talk about no protection. I have mowed down troop targets with the coax at 800 meters with deadly accuracy, clover leafed 3 sabot rounds in a target at 1500 meters, and had no problem hiting small PCs at 1700+ meters while going 40mph across moderate terrain. I know for a fact that the T-72 couldn't hit shit with a sabot round at 1500 meters while moving, its fire control system was shit, and had crap stabilization for the gun. Hell the T-72 wasn't even designed to be accurate on the move.
Yep the Soviets make great weapons on paper..... Name One Battle that proved these weapons were great.
And please don't even respond if you are < 18 and just read about crap in your latest tank sim game.
As for the Anti-America crap, If it wasn't for the US spending Billions each year on the Military and standing up to SmackTards like Sadam, all these other countries that put down America would need to bankrupt themselves building a Military or be taken out by the likes of North Korea, Iraq, Iran, China, and the Soviets that would still exist. As an American I am all for Isolating our nations and not spending billions on the Military and Pulling our troops out of Europe/Korea. It must be nice for France and Canada not to have to spend money on a military and instead spend it on their social programs all the while poking at America with a stick while hiding behind its military. How Rich could America be if it didn't have to police the world and spend Billions on the Military. God Bless the Brits, Aussies and Americans. Three of the last countries you don't have to be ashamed to be from...... I'd have thrown in Ireland, but it would have pissed them off to be grouped with the English.