Poll

Gesture to social conservatives or slap in face to gay rights?

Friendly gesture to social conservatives70%70% - 14
Slap in the face to gay rights10%10% - 2
Other20%20% - 4
Total: 20
unnamednewbie13
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Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

Slap in the face to gay rights.

Rick Warren is like a friendlier version of James Dobson.  They have the same views -- they only differ in their approach to spreading hate and prejudice.  Warren is especially clever about getting people to agree with him -- he was a major player behind Prop 8 in California, and much of the way it actually passed was through straight up deceit.
So, (some) gay people use deceit and quasi-psychology to convince kids they're gay.
a) Two wrongs don't make a right.

b) To be honest, we should let kids be themselves for once.

c) There are a few gay activists that fit the description you give, but there are a LOT more on the other side doing everything they can to disenfranchise gays.

d) &A lot of religions seem to have an axe to grind against gays for some reason.  *These people need to learn how to mind their own fucking business (no pun intended).
a) TBH, but two wrongs are always going to happen in this world. The question is, who perceives what as a wrong and what as a right?
b) We should also have stronger families in America, but one person can't make that happen.
c) That's true, but there are also a lot of people on the religious right who otherwise wouldn't care one way or the other, but feel like they're having the lifestyle forcibly waggled in their faces by media and their childrens' schools. I don't want to see hetero couples tonguing it on the Seattle sidewalks, let alone two men. Way to foment unneeded opposition.
d) &) See c), in addition to other reasons, both reasonable and unreasonable. *) Then that can go the other way around. The guy's just there for the inauguration, not to be secretary of state. You only get so much political capital; why waste it on so pointless an issue?

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2009-01-04 21:28:08)

Turquoise
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+1,596|6821|North Carolina

unnamednewbie13 wrote:

Turquoise wrote:

unnamednewbie13 wrote:


So, (some) gay people use deceit and quasi-psychology to convince kids they're gay.
a) Two wrongs don't make a right.

b) To be honest, we should let kids be themselves for once.

c) There are a few gay activists that fit the description you give, but there are a LOT more on the other side doing everything they can to disenfranchise gays.

d) &A lot of religions seem to have an axe to grind against gays for some reason.  *These people need to learn how to mind their own fucking business (no pun intended).
a) TBH, but two wrongs are always going to happen in this world. The question is, who perceives what as a wrong and what as a right?
b) We should also have stronger families in America, but one person can't make that happen.
c) That's true, but there are also a lot of people on the religious right who otherwise wouldn't care one way or the other, but feel like they're having the lifestyle forcibly waggled in their faces by media and their childrens' schools. I don't want to see hetero couples tonguing it on the Seattle sidewalks, let alone two men. Way to foment unneeded opposition.
d) &) See c), in addition to other reasons, both reasonable and unreasonable. *) Then that can go the other way around. The guy's just there for the inauguration, not to be secretary of state. You only get so much political capital; why waste it on so pointless an issue?
I see where you're coming from, but to answer your last question...  There are some things much more important than political capital.  Consistency in principles and integrity come to mind...   Obama is definitely starting to deplete those 2 things right now.

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