Mr.Dooomed
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I need some opinions cause I REALLY need a nice LCD.

https://c1.neweggimages.com/NeweggImage/productimage/24-236-051-03.jpg
ASUS VH226H Black 21.5" $209.99

I didn't know ASUS made LCD's but I love ASUS and I love the look of this one, so should I do it?
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TheEternalPessimist
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Its a bog standard TN panel TFT monitor, there's nothing wrong with it just the viewing angles are a bit crappy, which is no big deal as long as you're sat in font of it.

EDIT: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … Tpk=2233BW <-- way better, still TN so the same viewing angle thing going on but it's a better quality screen, unless you need 1080p HD (not to be confused with 1080i which this monitor does easily), which you wont unless it's for a PS3 etc..

Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2009-01-04 14:52:27)

phishman420
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http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … 6824236050

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Benzin
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If you want full HD, take a look at the Samsung T200HD. It's a 20", but still gives a really nice picture.
Mr.Dooomed
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Whats the ASCR all about? I noticed that ASUS u posted was (ASCR 12000 : 1) and that samsung just says 20000:1(1000:1)

And I don't see what in particular makes that Samsung a better monitor then the ASUS other then, the brand name and associated quality that comes with it?
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TheEternalPessimist
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

Whats the ASCR all about? I noticed that ASUS u posted was (ASCR 12000 : 1) and that samsung just says 20000:1(1000:1)

And I don't see what in particular makes that Samsung a better monitor then the ASUS other then, the brand name and associated quality that comes with it?
The image quality is simply better, the panels are manufactured to a higher quality and the warranty I think is longer. Plus it's not really any more expensive.

CapnNismo wrote:

If you want full HD, take a look at the Samsung T200HD. It's a 20", but still gives a really nice picture.
T200HD only does 1680x1050, wont do 1080p. It does 720p/1080i. Same as what I posted, without the DVBTV reciever and the t200hd has a cheaper 10k:1 panel.

EDIT: Just so you know things like Sky HD and most other HD services broadcast in 720p, 720 is standard HD, 1080p is only used by bluray, ps3 etc etc, it's quite limited at the moment, 720p is perfectly fine.

Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2009-01-04 15:12:26)

Benzin
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Yea, but there aren't that many panels out there that do 1080p for a reasonable price unless you actually want to buy a TV.
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phishman420 wrote:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050
I'm liking the 1920x1080 better.

The ASUS I posted is Full HD 1080P resolution and has HDMI port 16:9 1920 x 1080 resolution 2ms response time for $209.99 and got pretty good reviews!! I think it's worth it.

Last edited by Im_Dooomed (2009-01-04 15:18:46)

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TheEternalPessimist
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It'll look small, thats 24" res on something that isn't even 22", up to you though, it's negligable desktop space gain and more stress on your graphics card in games, if it's not being attached to something like a bluray player it's 99.9% pointless.
Mr.Dooomed
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

It'll look small, thats 24" res on something that isn't even 22", up to you though, it's negligable desktop space gain and more stress on your graphics card in games, if it's not being attached to something like a bluray player it's 99.9% pointless.
You're referring to that samsung that is full 1080p HD?
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Im_Dooomed wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

It'll look small, thats 24" res on something that isn't even 22", up to you though, it's negligable desktop space gain and more stress on your graphics card in games, if it's not being attached to something like a bluray player it's 99.9% pointless.
You're referring to that samsung that is full 1080p HD?
None of the Samsungs in this thread do 1080p. Only the Asus you posted.

1920x1080 = 1080p

Any resolution lower will be rescaled 720p/1080i.

Almost nothing below 24" has a standard native resolution that will handle 1080p without rescaling it down. Apart from the odd purpose built HD monitor like the one in the OP, which just squashes a big res onto a small screen.

EDIT: OK I just noticed the 2233BW is also cheaper after the rebate as well as being better for image quality.

You simply don't need 1920x1080 unless you;re connecting it to a 1080p source (PC doesn't count it'll make jack all difference to that).

Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2009-01-04 15:31:23)

Mr.Dooomed
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Apart from the odd purpose built HD monitor like the one in the OP, which just squashes a big res onto a small screen.
Sooo you're saying its not a good idea to purchase it because of this?

Honestly, I don't know a thing about what makes this LCD better then that LCD etc etc
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TheEternalPessimist
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TBH it's all down to panel quality, the ASUS has problems with backligh bleed and the colours wont be as good as the Samsung 2233bw.

You can have 2 panels with precisely the same numbers associated with them and one will be better than the other due to it being made to a high standard, Samsung sit pretty much on the top of the pile.

The 1080p aspect only matters if you want to use a 1080p source on it, which I imagine you dont, so theres no reason to consider the ASUS, it falls down on the other reasons to buy a monitor.
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

it falls down on the other reasons to buy a monitor.
And tbh, one of those reasons for me is looks. I like the ASUS much better. I'm a bit of a minimalist. It's look appeals to me because of that. And, why not have a monitor that can do 1080p? I might buy a PS3 or xbox 360 one day

Just for the record, the current monitor I have is one I borrowed and it's a Westinghouse LCM-22W3

So, its my opinion that either monitor I choose to purchase, will have better image quality then what I'm using.
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

It'll look small, thats 24" res on something that isn't even 22", up to you though, it's negligable desktop space gain and more stress on your graphics card in games, if it's not being attached to something like a bluray player it's 99.9% pointless.
Text can look way messed up on a resolution too big for a monitor, and a ditto on the graphics card bit.

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Its a bog standard TN panel TFT monitor, there's nothing wrong with it just the viewing angles are a bit crappy, which is no big deal as long as you're sat in font of it.

EDIT: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.a … Tpk=2233BW <-- way better, still TN so the same viewing angle thing going on but it's a better quality screen, unless you need 1080p HD (not to be confused with 1080i which this monitor does easily), which you wont unless it's for a PS3 etc..
One point of complaint: 5ms response.

Here's a newegg search with some reasonable features to expect from an LCD nowadays:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductLi … 89%3A24671

And an article about viewing angles:
http://blogs.zdnet.com/Ou/?p=930

I'd look at a screen before buying it, personally.

Last edited by unnamednewbie13 (2009-01-05 00:12:43)

cospengle
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

there's nothing wrong with it just the viewing angles are a bit crappy, which is no big deal as long as you're sat in font of it.
Where do you sit?
Cheez
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cospengle wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

there's nothing wrong with it just the viewing angles are a bit crappy, which is no big deal as long as you're sat in font of it.
Where do you sit?
More than 150° apparently.
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TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Im_Dooomed wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

It'll look small, thats 24" res on something that isn't even 22", up to you though, it's negligable desktop space gain and more stress on your graphics card in games, if it's not being attached to something like a bluray player it's 99.9% pointless.
You're referring to that samsung that is full 1080p HD?
None of the Samsungs in this thread do 1080p. Only the Asus you posted.

1920x1080 = 1080p

Any resolution lower will be rescaled 720p/1080i.

Almost nothing below 24" has a standard native resolution that will handle 1080p without rescaling it down. Apart from the odd purpose built HD monitor like the one in the OP, which just squashes a big res onto a small screen.

EDIT: OK I just noticed the 2233BW is also cheaper after the rebate as well as being better for image quality.

You simply don't need 1920x1080 unless you;re connecting it to a 1080p source (PC doesn't count it'll make jack all difference to that).
1920x1080 doesn't look bad on a 22". There are Dell laptops which ship with 17" 1920x1200 screens. Ok, that might be pushing it a bit, but not on a 22". Having that res/size can also do good for gaming, as the pixel density is so high that you won't need any AA unless you're sitting 15cm from the screen.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
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phishman420 wrote:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050
22 inch = baaad.
https://i.imgur.com/qwWEP9F.png
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Finray wrote:

phishman420 wrote:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236050
22 inch = baaad.
Eh?
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
phishman420
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24" FTW amirite?
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A WHOLE FUCKING 17 INCHES HELL YEAH
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TheEternalPessimist
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Cheez wrote:

cospengle wrote:

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

there's nothing wrong with it just the viewing angles are a bit crappy, which is no big deal as long as you're sat in font of it.
Where do you sit?
More than 150° apparently.
I watch DVDs in bed, it's about 50* to the left, my current S-PVA monitor does that no problem, my new one thats coming is a TN panel, i'll have to move it otherwise the image will look shit, it's no great hardship. And the image degrades as soon as you are anything but straight on, leaning left a bit will throw the colours off slightly (only a problem if you do graphics work, which I do, which is why I'm keeping my old S-PVA monitor too).

Last edited by TheEternalPessimist (2009-01-05 07:41:11)

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phishman420 wrote:

24" FTW amirite?
urrite

TheEternalPessimist wrote:

Cheez wrote:

cospengle wrote:

Where do you sit?
More than 150° apparently.
I watch DVDs in bed, it's about 50* to the left, my current S-PVA monitor does that no problem, my new one thats coming is a TN panel, i'll have to move it otherwise the image will look shit, it's no great hardship. And the image degrades as soon as you are anything but straight on, leaning left a bit will throw the colours off slightly (only a problem if you do graphics work, which I do, which is why I'm keeping my old S-PVA monitor too).
It's odd, my 24" Packard Bell, which can't possibly have any expensive panel (All I know is that it's a TN), is barely effected by viewing angles at all. Only thing that happens when you go to the far side is a little loss in contrast.

Both pictures taken with the same exact camera setting. Focus was a bitch on the lower one, though, but you get the picture.

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/Freezer7Pro/IMG_0047-8.jpg

https://i205.photobucket.com/albums/bb8/Freezer7Pro/IMG_0050-4.jpg

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-01-05 07:52:54)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
TheEternalPessimist
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Looks pretty good PB did go through a spell of buying Sammy's old PVA panels though, you sure it's not one of those?

Maybe TN has moved on, no reviews I've read have said it has. I'll let you know what my 2233bw looks like when it gets here Tuesday

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