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2009-01-10 23:24:08
TheDonkey
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+163|5982|Vancouver, BC, Canada
With 7 beta coming out, and the retail version not TOO far away,

How many versions do you guys think there SHOULD be of Windows?

Personally, I'd say 3,

Home(Equiv of Vista Home Premium, all the "play" features)
Business(Vista Business, replace "play" with corporate encryption, and the like)
and
Ultimate(No need for explanation)
2009-01-10 23:45:52
AussieReaper
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Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
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2009-01-10 23:54:51
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6657|Southern California

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
Unless you actually need your computer to do work...

I say XP style, 64 bit, 32 bit... (and obviously corporate editions)
limiting features to those who are willing to pay extra is not as good as just having an OS
2009-01-11 00:00:40
AussieReaper
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VicktorVauhn wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
Unless you actually need your computer to do work...
Open office, sif I'd pay for a word processor.
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2009-01-11 00:07:46
Defiance
Member
+438|6936

The only differences end up being preconfigurations or included software, none of which is worth the extra cash.

1) 32 bit (though we ought to shift away)
2) 64 bit

Good?
2009-01-11 00:14:13
TheDonkey
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+163|5982|Vancouver, BC, Canada

VicktorVauhn wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
Unless you actually need your computer to do work...

I say XP style, 64 bit, 32 bit... (and obviously corporate editions)
limiting features to those who are willing to pay extra is not as good as just having an OS
Well actually, I first started pondering this on the john, and back then, I was thinking there'd be a version for lower power computers that isn't expensive nor comes with alot of flashy features, basically, a "Basic" version.

But whatd'ya know, you're already at 4, doesn't have 4?
2009-01-11 00:23:09
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6657|Southern California

TheAussieReaper wrote:

VicktorVauhn wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
Unless you actually need your computer to do work...
Open office, sif I'd pay for a word processor.
which is good until it cant modify the document file you were sent, or displays the format wrong (had both happen)
What should you use on Ubuntu to open solidworks files?  How many FEA programs are made for it? How about any other profession software needed for people who do anything other then surf the web or word processing?

Ubuntu is not bad if you just want to do basic things... But I don't want it for the same reason I don't want a mac. If you really want to game, or need specialized software its just not gonna cut it.

My printer/scanner is only generically recognized as a printer no scanning functions and no support because its a less popular model. Sure you can run programs in wine, but there is a reason getting programs to work is treated like an accomplishment. I don't want to make getting a program I need running a hobby. I like having drivers that actually make my x-fi card work. I like having force feedback in my racing games.

I don't blame people with no access to windows who just want to type and browse the web. But Ubuntu is a shitty solution for me and many others. If you have access to windows it offers little more then novelties, I don't give a shit about themes and effects and in the time it takes to get the programs I need even half running I could fit whatever small problems windows may have.
2009-01-11 00:26:05
GR34
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2. 64 bit and 128 bit /thread


Or none just Ubuntu but with some sort of Direct X thing so I can play PR
2009-01-11 00:41:49
chuyskywalker
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Outside of bit versions, one I'd hope. I doubt they've learned that lesson from Vista, however, so there will likely be several versions again.

I would say though, that the idea of "buy X, Y, Z version" will probably go the way of the dodo's in the next few years. Instead, expect to make small little payments or even rental fees for each feature to fully customize the OS. MS is big on doing this with Office and I don't doubt that the same mentality is going to make it's way into their OS layer.
2009-01-11 00:46:12
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6657|Southern California

chuyskywalker wrote:

Outside of bit versions, one I'd hope. I doubt they've learned that lesson from Vista, however, so there will likely be several versions again.

I would say though, that the idea of "buy X, Y, Z version" will probably go the way of the dodo's in the next few years. Instead, expect to make small little payments or even rental fees for each feature to fully customize the OS. MS is big on doing this with Office and I don't doubt that the same mentality is going to make it's way into their OS layer.
Its honestly the new things. Look at PS3's home, where you can buy new virtual furniture. add on characters and extras for almost all console games, ect...
I think its easy to get people to give you a lot of money if you only take a little at a time
2009-01-11 00:49:32
Benzin
Member
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Funny that you mention that, chuy. MS offered up a patent (IIRC) and Engadget ran an article about it. It's basically a pay as you go PC. If you need a lot of CPU power, you pay for it in increments to unlock it. Same for RAM and HDD space and whatever. Interesting idea for the basic user.

I'd like to get a 64-bit Win7, but I am always afraid that anything I have will not work on it. Skype, for instance. Speaking of which, do you have to buy a specific 64-bit version of Microsoft Office or does it work on either bit version??? Just curious because I have an Office 2007 disc that I got for Christmas from my mom and was wondering ...
2009-01-11 01:04:18
GR34
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+215|6810|ALBERTA> CANADA
woe I am lost. What you saying is that I go and buy a 1tb drive and I have to pay Microsoft to use that drive space? If it comes to that FUckit Ia m moving Permanently to Linux
2009-01-11 01:06:07
TopHat01
Limitless
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CapnNismo wrote:

Funny that you mention that, chuy. MS offered up a patent (IIRC) and Engadget ran an article about it. It's basically a pay as you go PC. If you need a lot of CPU power, you pay for it in increments to unlock it. Same for RAM and HDD space and whatever. Interesting idea for the basic user.
Anybody stupid enough to buy such a system like that doesn't deserve to use a computer.  Even for the basic user, that would be complete garbage.
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2009-01-11 01:06:34
JoshP
Banned
+176|5954|Notts, UK

chuyskywalker wrote:

Outside of bit versions, one I'd hope. I doubt they've learned that lesson from Vista, however, so there will likely be several versions again.
I agree, having multuiple versions (other than maybe a low powered version for netbooks/the OLPC type of laptops used in africa) is stupid for the consumer, and the Ultimate version - which has all the features, one of which you will probably end up needing at some point, and then you'll regret not buying the Ultimate version.  But MS probably wants us to buy the best version of the OS, meaning that they can charge more for it because it's the best- which means they can squeeze more profit by having multiple versions.
2009-01-11 01:14:28
Benzin
Member
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GR34 wrote:

woe I am lost. What you saying is that I go and buy a 1tb drive and I have to pay Microsoft to use that drive space? If it comes to that FUckit Ia m moving Permanently to Linux
The patent was referring to an OEM computer. Not something you build yourself.
2009-01-11 01:23:48
TheDonkey
Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt
+163|5982|Vancouver, BC, Canada

CapnNismo wrote:

GR34 wrote:

woe I am lost. What you saying is that I go and buy a 1tb drive and I have to pay Microsoft to use that drive space? If it comes to that FUckit Ia m moving Permanently to Linux
The patent was referring to an OEM computer. Not something you build yourself.
Yeah, you'd get a really powerful computer, but you;d only be allowed to access as much of that power as you par for.
2009-01-11 01:28:07
r2zoo
Knowledge is power, guard it well
+126|6861|Michigan, USA

GR34 wrote:

woe I am lost. What you saying is that I go and buy a 1tb drive and I have to pay Microsoft to use that drive space? If it comes to that FUckit Ia m moving Permanently to Linux
Id imagine it would be more along the lines of paying an 80GB price for the drive, and only having access to 80GBs of space, with the option to incrementally add.  Basically 80Gb price for 1TB drive, except on a larger scale for a full pc.

Big problem I see regardless of how they do it is crackers breaking the software and giving full access for free.  Unless they physically come to your house and install the new hardware, but then its basically how a pc is now
2009-01-11 01:40:29
mikkel
Member
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VicktorVauhn wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
Unless you actually need your computer to do work...

I say XP style, 64 bit, 32 bit... (and obviously corporate editions)
limiting features to those who are willing to pay extra is not as good as just having an OS
XP style as in;

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
Windows XP Professional 64-bit
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Starter Edition
Windows XP Corporate Edition
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Windows XP 64-bit Edition
Windows XP Professional Academic Edition
Windows XP Embedded

and so on? There's always a need for niche releases, whether limited by features or license, and to be honest, simply splitting things into either "Home" or "Professional" is a bit short of the granularity that you might need. XP itself limited features to those willing to pay extra, and that turned out just fine.
2009-01-11 01:54:11
VicktorVauhn
Member
+319|6657|Southern California

mikkel wrote:

VicktorVauhn wrote:

TheAussieReaper wrote:

Zero.

Long live ubuntu.
Unless you actually need your computer to do work...

I say XP style, 64 bit, 32 bit... (and obviously corporate editions)
limiting features to those who are willing to pay extra is not as good as just having an OS
XP style as in;

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
Windows XP Professional 64-bit
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Starter Edition
Windows XP Corporate Edition
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Windows XP 64-bit Edition
Windows XP Professional Academic Edition
Windows XP Embedded

and so on? There's always a need for niche releases, whether limited by features or license, and to be honest, simply splitting things into either "Home" or "Professional" is a bit short of the granularity that you might need. XP itself limited features to those willing to pay extra, and that turned out just fine.
Completely different man

You say XP home and 64 bit, then there is a corperate edition of both.
Tablet PC is special functionality for different hardware
Academic edition is a special license for schools, similar to corporate but targeted at a different group.


But almost none of those you listed are targeted towards home computing. Its not anywhere the same as having different tiers and packages for home use.
Having separate licensing for a whole library filled with computers is quite a bit different then having 3 different versions for home computers based on how much windows you want to use.
2009-01-11 02:46:58
mikkel
Member
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VicktorVauhn wrote:

mikkel wrote:

VicktorVauhn wrote:


Unless you actually need your computer to do work...

I say XP style, 64 bit, 32 bit... (and obviously corporate editions)
limiting features to those who are willing to pay extra is not as good as just having an OS
XP style as in;

Windows XP Home
Windows XP Professional 32-bit
Windows XP Professional 64-bit
Windows XP Media Center Edition
Windows XP Starter Edition
Windows XP Corporate Edition
Windows XP Tablet PC Edition
Windows XP 64-bit Edition
Windows XP Professional Academic Edition
Windows XP Embedded

and so on? There's always a need for niche releases, whether limited by features or license, and to be honest, simply splitting things into either "Home" or "Professional" is a bit short of the granularity that you might need. XP itself limited features to those willing to pay extra, and that turned out just fine.
Completely different man

You say XP home and 64 bit, then there is a corperate edition of both.
Tablet PC is special functionality for different hardware
Academic edition is a special license for schools, similar to corporate but targeted at a different group.


But almost none of those you listed are targeted towards home computing. Its not anywhere the same as having different tiers and packages for home use.
Having separate licensing for a whole library filled with computers is quite a bit different then having 3 different versions for home computers based on how much windows you want to use.
It's no different from Vista at all. Different licenses and different features for different needs. The granularity with Vista releases is increased, but the concept is the same. Why would you not want that?
2009-01-11 02:49:34
Benzin
Member
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Better selection is always better for the consumer. Why pay for a whole host of features that you will NEVER use??? Pay for what you need and be done with it. If nothing else, it makes things potentially cheaper, as well.
2009-01-11 04:12:32
chuyskywalker
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True, the problem isn't so much that there are different ways you can purchase the OS, it's that it comes in X,Y,and Z setup and only those setups.

In order to satisfy everyone, you could have a single distrobution which has everything. OR you could have a modular distrubution which you can fully customize. Want high end graphics and touchscreen, but those. Want that with business tools to? Done.

However, the way MS has gone about it for Vista/XP/etc is somewhere in the awkward middle. They create tons and tons of different pre-set feature sets. The problem with this is that no setup (usually) matches exactly what you need. The most common complaint with Vista was "Well, I would be happy with X version, but I just need feature Y from version Z" or "I had to buy the more expensive version for feature Y, but now I have all this other stuff I don't need."

Going down this road with more and more preordained setups also adds complexity to the original purchasing decision (a lot of it) because with each extra pre-set feature list you have one more contender in the field of "not quite right" lists.

Eventually, it has to lead to a "add the components you need" OS which probably comes in a few recommended default (ie: home, business, ultimate) and you can add/remove OS features from there. I doubt that will be Win7 though.
2009-01-11 04:20:17
Titch2349
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+358|6617|uk

chuyskywalker wrote:

OR you could have a modular distrubution which you can fully customize. Want high end graphics and touchscreen, but those. Want that with business tools to? Done.
This seems a great idea....

You start off with like... Windows Vista Basic, and then can add the features (Aero, Media Center, Dreamscene), at extra cost- just like customising a PC
2009-01-11 04:21:29
tazz.
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chuyskywalker wrote:

True, the problem isn't so much that there are different ways you can purchase the OS, it's that it comes in X,Y,and Z setup and only those setups.

In order to satisfy everyone, you could have a single distrobution which has everything. OR you could have a modular distrubution which you can fully customize. Want high end graphics and touchscreen, but those. Want that with business tools to? Done.

However, the way MS has gone about it for Vista/XP/etc is somewhere in the awkward middle. They create tons and tons of different pre-set feature sets. The problem with this is that no setup (usually) matches exactly what you need. The most common complaint with Vista was "Well, I would be happy with X version, but I just need feature Y from version Z" or "I had to buy the more expensive version for feature Y, but now I have all this other stuff I don't need."

Going down this road with more and more preordained setups also adds complexity to the original purchasing decision (a lot of it) because with each extra pre-set feature list you have one more contender in the field of "not quite right" lists.

Eventually, it has to lead to a "add the components you need" OS which probably comes in a few recommended default (ie: home, business, ultimate) and you can add/remove OS features from there. I doubt that will be Win7 though.
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2009-01-11 05:37:33
Freezer7Pro
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32/64bit versions, obviously, and really cheap/basic version (Like XP home), then an advanced version (Like XP Pro), and upon that, a version that actually gives you some freedom to do stuff with it ("Advanced", perhaps?)
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