Mitch
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If ice expands when frozen, such as leaving an unopened can in the cold, it breaks through the can cause it has no space.

What happens, if you fill a very strong steel container to the very fullest point, weld it air tight shut, and put it in a freezer.

The water would be forced to change to ice, but it would have to expand, but it cant because you have a 5 inch thick steel cube containing it.

What would then happen?


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it wouldn't expand.
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wouldnt it become a supercooled but thats given your cooling it to below -42 degrees C

Otherwise it will just break the steel regardless.

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my guess is that it would break the steel.  there's also a possibility that it would just stay in its original state, water, although i think that's unlikely.
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well, steel contracts when it is cold, so there would be two forces working against one another.



my guess would be that the weakest weld would break, and the water/ice would find its space that way.
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Mitch
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OP here, i found this.

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index … 404AA0Ux9O

What is the definitive answer given? I'm reading through it but so many different people say different things. What would you say?

I think the best answer there is that it just wouldnt freeze

Restating my question: An incredibly strong container cooling water to the lowest possible temp
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It would either remain water or it would break through the steel.
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

It would either remain water or it would break through the steel.
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ThomasMorgan wrote:

Also, submit it to mythbusters.
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Pressure inside would rise thus lowering the melting point thus it would stay as water.

Or the steel could break and then the water would freeze.

Last edited by NooBesT (2009-02-04 12:48:29)

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Was going to say what Noobest said - pressurization extreme (no pun).
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Mitch wrote:

OP here
We know.

I'm pretty sure if it was under enough pressure it wouldn't freeze. It's like water at the bottom of the ocean, under immense pressure, and well below freezing, but the water on top of it prevents it from freezing.
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I don't think the container you describe would be adequate to stop the expansion.

Like parker says, the container will contract too, creating small fractures in the material (known in geog as the freeze-thaw process). Pretty sure it would give
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if there is no way of it to expand, it wont freeze  it is called super cooled water.
it happens in the arctic, if there is a small crack in the ice, the water will burst in and a big lump will fall off
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menzo2003 wrote:

if there is no way for it to expand, it wont freeze it is called super cooled water.
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Water expands because small gaps are formed between the hydrogen bonds that hold the water molecules together when it's frozen. No space for the bonds to form, no frozen water.
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it will stay as water
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It will stay as water.

No room to expand into a crystalline structure (i.e. ice) = no ice.

But you're going to need a tough container to do that.  steel expands elastically under pressure, even if only a microscopic amount.  A non-elastic like diamond or ceramic would just shatter at a critical pressure.


Another way to think about it;  The pressurized water in your car's radiator.  Plenty of heat in it to turn into steam, but as long as it's contained and below a critical pressure/temperature, it won't turn to steam.. until some dumbass opens the cap.

Last analogy:  shake up a soda bottle.  pressure builds, but nothing dramatic happens until you open the cap.
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You can't compress water. If it became ice, it would either bend/break the steel, or stay water.
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