BF2S Forums Tories admit to Wiki-alteration

phishman420 wrote:

wat

JoshP wrote:

tories are fail, tbh

so is labour

lol - ?This ought to set the record straight..."

lolminirevive, but i just had to post this

karma wrote:

You're fail. Sucks to see some people take characteristics of the cunt they came from at birth. Keep thinking you're awesome, I hope you don't die horribly anytime soon, kid (That was a lie). <3 Link

QQ moar

you must really love the tories.....

Dauntless wrote:

wensleydale8 wrote:

JoshP wrote:

tories are fail, tbh

so is labour

Maybe so, but not as much as that smarmy cunt David Cameron.

urrite

Debate time, go!

Last edited by JoshP (2009-02-14 19:29:37)

12/f/taiwan wrote:

What the fuck is Tories?

I demand one of you British degenerates answer me.

The conservative party

3 main political parties in britain, Labour (left wing/center-left), Tories/Conservatives (Tories is like, the slang name except everyone uses it) (center-right), Liberal Democrats (old men who would be good if they were..... good)

Josh you're 16, please don't have such an over-assertive political opinion... you can't even vote.

The Wiki alteration was a stupid move, but it wasn't a move by the Tory party as a whole. It was a rash decision made by an office grunt with no consideration of the implications or reflections it would have on the organisation. Human failure, not a political effort to 'censor' or alter history... the Tories aren't something from an Orwell novel .

Last edited by Uzique (2009-02-15 05:43:29)

These is no 'two party system', the system accommodates for as many parties as the democratic public can call for and, indeed, vote for.

I don't really get what you're trying to say about mainstream politics catering for the "sheep", either. Of course the most popular and successful parties are going to have a herd-like majority of people with the same views and same interests. That's democracy in action... that's the entire point. Power to the people, power to the majority; saying that the main political parties are followed only by sheep is wrong and criticises what is only the obvious mechanics of our political system. You're hardly going to have the innovative wolves following the big x/y parties, are you? Illogical and self-contradicting. There are many intelligent and politically-engaged people that find the objectives, aims, visions and directives of the Labour/Conservative parties good enough to serve their interests and wants. Nothing sheepish about it.

Uzique wrote:

These is no 'two party system', the system accommodates for as many parties as the democratic public can call for and, indeed, vote for.

I don't really get what you're trying to say about mainstream politics catering for the "sheep", either. Of course the most popular and successful parties are going to have a herd-like majority of people with the same views and same interests. That's democracy in action... that's the entire point. Power to the people, power to the majority; saying that the main political parties are followed only by sheep is wrong and criticises what is only the obvious mechanics of our political system. You're hardly going to have the innovative wolves following the big x/y parties, are you? Illogical and self-contradicting. There are many intelligent and politically-engaged people that find the objectives, aims, visions and directives of the Labour/Conservative parties good enough to serve their interests and wants. Nothing sheepish about it.

Two party system as in two parties only ever win. You predicting anyone but the big 2 to win anytime soon?

Sheep as in if they actually educated themselves on each parties policies they could find a party better suited to them. Rather than voting for a party because their parents do, or they agree with a few policies but can't really be bothered looking around.

AussieReaper wrote:

andy12 wrote:

I'd rather be ruled by Prince Harry...

Miss a Monarchy do you?

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/r … cepalm.gif

Not particularly, however my countries most successful time was under one...

Last edited by andy12 (2009-02-15 07:45:12)

Quite simply, it has turned into a two party system because we made it that way. It wouldn't take a huge revolution to 'overthrow' this bipartisanship, just the event of a better and more vote-worthy candidate party coming along and inspiring the masses to do something else. I don't really think that "sheep" who follow their families views are that bad... at least they're active enough to get to the polls and vote. I'd rather criticize the uneducated sheep that don't vote whatsoever, and passively let this Labour-Conservative battle continue regardless.

I don't personally predict anyone but the "big 2" to win anytime soon - but that's because we don't need anyone else. In the current situation by all means, the mainstream and adaptive centre-leaning parties are good options; we definitely do not need a far-Left or a far-Right option, and the Liberals and other misc. parties aren't offering anything all that astounding either. So I do think that politically-engaged people are voting for the big two with a worthwhile reason and prerogative.

the bastards!

Uzique wrote:

Quite simply, it has turned into a two party system because we made it that way. It wouldn't take a huge revolution to 'overthrow' this bipartisanship, just the event of a better and more vote-worthy candidate party coming along and inspiring the masses to do something else. I don't really think that "sheep" who follow their families views are that bad... at least they're active enough to get to the polls and vote. I'd rather criticize the uneducated sheep that don't vote whatsoever, and passively let this Labour-Conservative battle continue regardless.

I don't personally predict anyone but the "big 2" to win anytime soon - but that's because we don't need anyone else. In the current situation by all means, the mainstream and adaptive centre-leaning parties are good options; we definitely do not need a far-Left or a far-Right option, and the Liberals and other misc. parties aren't offering anything all that astounding either. So I do think that politically-engaged people are voting for the big two with a worthwhile reason and prerogative.

If you look at history when economies collapse people shift to a far right Government to bring them out, and it works. Just people here are too stubborn to change, I despise people that turn up every election to vote for the same party which in reality if you challenged them to debate they wouldn't even agree with most of what the party stands for. Meh, I see your point.

andy12 wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Quite simply, it has turned into a two party system because we made it that way. It wouldn't take a huge revolution to 'overthrow' this bipartisanship, just the event of a better and more vote-worthy candidate party coming along and inspiring the masses to do something else. I don't really think that "sheep" who follow their families views are that bad... at least they're active enough to get to the polls and vote. I'd rather criticize the uneducated sheep that don't vote whatsoever, and passively let this Labour-Conservative battle continue regardless.

I don't personally predict anyone but the "big 2" to win anytime soon - but that's because we don't need anyone else. In the current situation by all means, the mainstream and adaptive centre-leaning parties are good options; we definitely do not need a far-Left or a far-Right option, and the Liberals and other misc. parties aren't offering anything all that astounding either. So I do think that politically-engaged people are voting for the big two with a worthwhile reason and prerogative.

If you look at history when economies collapse people shift to a far right Government to bring them out, and it works. Just people here are too stubborn to change, I despise people that turn up every election to vote for the same party which in reality if you challenged them to debate they wouldn't even agree with most of what the party stands for. Meh, I see your point.

1) Don't give me some primary school example of fascism rising in Europe "from history". Remind me of that convenient fact the next time the UK gets the Treaty of Versailles and a bagload of other sanctions dropped on us, I will try and see your point then. Our economy has not collapsed, nor will it collapse. It is resilient... a depression/recession is not going to see a mainstream rise in far-right tendencies, only the extremist fringes (that are always there anyway) will make any noise about it.

2) You conveniently forgot to mention whether or not you actually vote.

3) You conveniently forgot to include any actual criticism of the Tory party politics.

4) Not everyone in society is going to be capable of defending their political convictions in challenging debate. That's the beauty of our society- everyone can vote, there is no vanguard-elite of elligible and intellectual superiors... your average Joe down the street can vote for 'x' party for as trivial a reason as he wishes. The fact is that on a macro-scale this expression of public content/discontent is what effects change.