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Macbeth wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

No I stopped reading there because I think your a fucking idiot for mistaking Spanish for "Mexican".

I know I've said some stupid and crazy shit on this site but at least I get facts right, I just fuck up with my twist on them.

That was a really stupid comment.  Please, get out if you cannot be civil.  There is a difference between Mexican and Spanish, just as there is a difference between American English and British English, only it is even more pronounced.  Your focus on this trivial detail shows that you have nothing worthwhile to say.  Please, go away now.

No. I hate when people on debate forums tell other to go away rather then debate their arguments it shows weakness and cowardice. Christ, I hope you never get elected to office with the "go away I don't want to debate you" mindset.

I also hate debates on minor details but that seems like it's all we're going to get here.

I don't have to be civil to the stupid. My tolerance for the stupid is low, it'll get lower.

That didn't make sense...  You like to "debate", and yet you have presented no legitimate points of your own.  Furthermore you have not addressed any of mine.  You resorted to the oldest form of debate cowardice: Name calling.

You hate debating small details, yet you insist on dedicating an entire post to calling me names and being very rude because of the way my post was worded.  That seems quite hypocritical to me.

Last edited by Deadmonkiefart (2009-03-04 18:56:14)

There is one part of this that can be changed that might help...

Alter citizenship laws so that citizenship by birth only applies to someone with at least one parent that is already a citizen.

That change alone will ensure that illegals popping out babies here does not equal votes in the long run.

Of course, being a Constitutional Amendment, that would require the support of 3/4 of Congress, the president, and ratification by 3/4 of the states.

Here's something interesting though...  I know a heavily Democratic Congress would never propose the aforementioned amendment, but 2/3 of the state legislatures can actually propose Constitutional Amendments as well, so that Congress can then vote on the Amendment after ratification by the states.  This was done once before -- with the repeal of Prohibition.

It's highly doubtful that any Congress would vote against something that 3/4 of the states supported, and given the support this Amendment would have among many border states (and even many non-border ones), this would probably be a better way to get this Amendment through.

I'm sure Arizona would be the first state supportive of this Amendment, given all the shit they've had to deal with because of illegals.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Roc18 wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Racial imperialism?  REALLY?  This country was formed gradually by LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.  It was formed by a group of people who had respect for the country and its laws.  They planned to work hard.  They did not come across the border ILLEGALLY.  Furthermore, they did not leach off of society, filling up our hospitals and putting them out of buisness.  I don't know where the hell you live, but I have to wait for 5 hours minimum at the hospital because the place is full of a bunch of people with huge families who can only speak Mexican.  Guess who is paying for their visit?  I AM.  That is who hospital bills cost so much and that is why medical coverage costs so damn much.

You forget about all the years slavery, mistreatment of the native americans, sexism etc. that occured after this country was formed and how the Caucasian Male was the only one that held any and all power when imperialism was occuring at the beginning of this country's history. Respect for the country? There was no country when the immigrants arrived and most certainly did not respect the people who lived there before them (cough..cough manifest destiny). You are just pointing fingers and not thinking about a solution to it.

First of all, I'm not pointing fingers, and I would appreciate it if you would not accuse me of doing something that I am not.  Let's focus on the issue.  I don't care if immigrants have respect for those that lived before them, they still have to have respect for those who live here now.  And I don't see the connection between  "all the years slavery, mistreatment of the native americans, sexism etc. that occured after this country was formed" and the fact that the masses of illegals are bad for this country.

" That is who hospital bills cost so much and that is why medical coverage costs so damn much"

Im pretty sure that's pointing fingers. I'm just pointing out what you think the illegal immigrants are doing "taking over" and what this country has done in the past.

Macbeth wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Well if you want to enjoy a high quality of life then be prepared to deal with illegal immigrants. You will never be able to get rid of them totally or stop them from coming in here. Our high standards and wealth is what draws them here, the only way to stop them from coming is to lower ourselves.

It's the cost of wealth and power, you will have to deal with leeches and other people you don't want to.

I don't care what draws them here.  Draw them all you want, but there should be something preventing them from coming here in mass numbers like a border fence.  How many modern first world nations have their borders unprotected?

Most of Europe?
I just finished watching the show bullshit with pen and teller, they built a fence and made illegal immagrants try to get around it.

It took them 3 minutes to get THROUGH it. They cut it apart and got through. Fences don't work. Address the issues in their country to stop drawing them here or assimilate them better when they get here.

I am drawing them here and assassinating them?  Ok.... I'm not sure what to say to that, other than No, I'm not.

It is not our job to address the issues of other countries.   They need to fix their own country.  Illegal immigration is a problem for Mexico, because anyone with any common sense or will to succeed is coming to America.   I've said this before, and I'll say it agin:

The problem is inherent in the very nature of a revolution.  Revolutions typically occur when a large enough portion of the population gets fed up with their government enough to revolt.  In the case of Mexico however, this is not possible.  Most of the people willing to join or create a potential revolution are coming to America.  When they reach a certain point and they get very angry at their government, they simply travel to America rather than risking their lives fighting a revolution.  America is acting as a safety valve for the Mexican government.  They know it, and that is one of the many reasons that the Mexican government criticizes the US when we try to enforce immigration.

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

I don't care what draws them here.  Draw them all you want, but there should be something preventing them from coming here in mass numbers like a border fence.  How many modern first world nations have their borders unprotected?

Most of Europe?
I just finished watching the show bullshit with pen and teller, they built a fence and made illegal immagrants try to get around it.

It took them 3 minutes to get THROUGH it. They cut it apart and got through. Fences don't work. Address the issues in their country to stop drawing them here or assimilate them better when they get here.

I am drawing them here and assassinating them?  Ok.... I'm not sure what to say to that, other than No, I'm not.

It is not our job to address the issues of other countries.   They need to fix their own country.  Illegal immigration is a problem for Mexico, because anyone with any common sense or will to succeed is coming to America.   I've said this before, and I'll say it agin:

The problem is inherent in the very nature of a revolution.  Revolutions typically occur when a large enough portion of the population gets fed up with their government enough to revolt.  In the case of Mexico however, this is not possible.  Most of the people willing to join or create a potential revolution are coming to America.  When they reach a certain point and they get very angry at their government, they simply travel to America rather than risking their lives fighting a revolution.  America is acting as a safety valve for the Mexican government.  They know it, and that is one of the many reasons that the Mexican government criticizes the US when we try to enforce immigration.

Well written, I guess Macbeth just wasn't thinking things through!

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

I don't care what draws them here.  Draw them all you want, but there should be something preventing them from coming here in mass numbers like a border fence.  How many modern first world nations have their borders unprotected?

Most of Europe?
I just finished watching the show bullshit with pen and teller, they built a fence and made illegal immagrants try to get around it.

It took them 3 minutes to get THROUGH it. They cut it apart and got through. Fences don't work. Address the issues in their country to stop drawing them here or assimilate them better when they get here.

I am drawing them here and assassinating them?  Ok.... I'm not sure what to say to that, other than No, I'm not.

It is not our job to address the issues of other countries.   They need to fix their own country.  Illegal immigration is a problem for Mexico, because anyone with any common sense or will to succeed is coming to America.   I've said this before, and I'll say it agin:

The problem is inherent in the very nature of a revolution.  Revolutions typically occur when a large enough portion of the population gets fed up with their government enough to revolt.  In the case of Mexico however, this is not possible.  Most of the people willing to join or create a potential revolution are coming to America.  When they reach a certain point and they get very angry at their government, they simply travel to America rather than risking their lives fighting a revolution.  America is acting as a safety valve for the Mexican government.  They know it, and that is one of the many reasons that the Mexican government criticizes the US when we try to enforce immigration.

assimilate-  to make similar b: to alter by assimilation c: to absorb into the culture or mores of a population or group
It's a brave new world, my friend. Everyone's destiny and future are intertwined. Rather then them coming here then us deporting them and only causing more problems we need to work out something in their country to make them stop coming here. Or when they get here bring them into the fold of things. Welcome them, show them the American dream and how to make it happen. Offer to teach them language skills and get them used to our customs. Rather then fighting a losing war with a wall that will not work it would be cheaper and more effective to make them like us.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-03-04 19:10:14)

Macbeth wrote:

Deadmonkiefart wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Most of Europe?
I just finished watching the show bullshit with pen and teller, they built a fence and made illegal immagrants try to get around it.

It took them 3 minutes to get THROUGH it. They cut it apart and got through. Fences don't work. Address the issues in their country to stop drawing them here or assimilate them better when they get here.

I am drawing them here and assassinating them?  Ok.... I'm not sure what to say to that, other than No, I'm not.

It is not our job to address the issues of other countries.   They need to fix their own country.  Illegal immigration is a problem for Mexico, because anyone with any common sense or will to succeed is coming to America.   I've said this before, and I'll say it agin:

The problem is inherent in the very nature of a revolution.  Revolutions typically occur when a large enough portion of the population gets fed up with their government enough to revolt.  In the case of Mexico however, this is not possible.  Most of the people willing to join or create a potential revolution are coming to America.  When they reach a certain point and they get very angry at their government, they simply travel to America rather than risking their lives fighting a revolution.  America is acting as a safety valve for the Mexican government.  They know it, and that is one of the many reasons that the Mexican government criticizes the US when we try to enforce immigration.

assimilate-  to make similar b: to alter by assimilation c: to absorb into the culture or mores of a population or group
It's a brave new world, my friend. Everyone's destiny and future are intertwined. Rather then them coming here then us deporting them and only causing more problems we need to work out something in their country to make them stop coming here. Or when they get here bring them into the fold of things. Welcome them, show them the American dream and how to make it happen. Offer to teach them language skills and get them used to our customs. Rather then fighting a losing war with a wall that will not work it would be cheaper and more effective to make them like.

We have our own economic problems, people are being layed off, and you think that we should shoulder the burden of an entire corrupt country?

Screw this, this is going no where.  You have too little sense to see anything, and I have work to do.  See ya

Roc18 wrote:

usmarine wrote:

wtf are you guys arguing about?

That's what I think about D&ST 90 percent of the time.

well id say 98.345% but lets not split hairs

AussieReaper wrote:

ATG wrote:

Yesterday an illegal alien activist was re-elected mayor of Los Angeles with a turnout of about 16%.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v83/r … cepalm.gif

Nothing will ever change for as long this is the voting culture of America.

Yeah that is more pathetic then the immigration issue if you ask me.

I agree with Turq on the one parent thing too, but also simple enforcement of the law and a wall, but a real fucking big wall that can stop a tank.

In fact that project would of been great in the 800 billion stimulus.

here ya go yerded

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/blog/ball_d … nba,145723

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:

Monkiefart, how do you know how many Mexicans you see are illegal and don't want to integrate?

I think babies popped out by illegals do not have a case in the constitution. The leader of any nation has the inherent right to do whatever he wants to illegal aliens because they are not citizens including the babies born here.

I think we should build arrow signs pointing to canada and say, "there is a lot of land there you can take have fun."

Too bad we didn't have illegal, disease-less, smart productive Asians coming to this country.

By the way with the Native Indians sad it didn't turn out well, but oh well. It is not like every country in the world started out peaceful. Our forefathers tryed, but later on some people had different minds.