Quantum Immortality

2009-03-09 19:57:01

#1

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6959|South Florida

Please keep this discussion on track.

Quantum Immortality / Suicide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide

Basically, An experiment is built. It's a loaded gun pointed at the head of the user. It is triggered or not triggered depending on the decay of some radioactive atoms which creates a 50-50 chance of survival.

Now, on the assumption there is paralel universes;

If the subject dies, from his point of view, the experiment is over. However in an alternate universe, he lives and immediatly repeats the experiment.

There exists one alternate timeline where the user repeats the experiment and NEVER dies in any of the outcomes, thus making him immortal.

dies lives
dies lives
lives dies
dies lives
lives dies
dies lives
lives does
dies lives
lives dies
lives...

Eventually the user experiences immortality out of sheer luck of that universe.

15 more years! 15 more years!

2009-03-09 20:00:57

#2

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6587|what

In this universe death follows life.

In a parallel universe it's the opposite way around.

2009-03-09 20:01:08

#3

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,991|7066|949

Sounds like an interesting and nonsensical idea!

2009-03-09 20:01:12

#4

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5977|Toronto

But the user is not conscious in the alternate reality, thereby supporting the notion that he is dead. If not, then it would be acceptable to say that I am immortal as long as people remember me, as I remain in their consciousness forever. Damn those egyptian kings got it right 4000 years ago.

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2009-03-09 20:02:21

#5

KEN-JENNINGS: I am all that is MOD!; +2,991|7066|949

Pochsy wrote:
But the user is not conscious in the alternate reality, thereby supporting the notion that he is dead. If not, then it would be acceptable to say that I am immortal as long as people remember me, as I remain in their consciousness forever. Damn those egyptian kings got it right 4000 years ago.

What is Egypt and who are these "kings" you speak of?

2009-03-09 20:02:26

#6

Stingray24: Proud member of the vast right-wing conspiracy; +1,060|6879|The Land of Scott Walker

What if the first universe started out at living? Yikes! End = dead.

2009-03-09 20:07:34

#7

Flaming_Maniac: prince of insufficient light; +2,490|7141|67.222.138.85

1) Why do you need the cat-in-a-box-with-isotope setup? Why can't it be replicated by dying/not dying of old age? In which case there's not really anything quantum about it, and they just put it in the name to make it sound cool.

2) Why does it take time to iterate through each parallel universe? Why can't (more like why don't) they all happen simultaneously? In which case it would not mean it is immortality, only that in some universes you survived the moment, and in all the ones that matter you didn't.

2009-03-09 20:07:53

#8

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5977|Toronto

KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Pochsy wrote:
But the user is not conscious in the alternate reality, thereby supporting the notion that he is dead. If not, then it would be acceptable to say that I am immortal as long as people remember me, as I remain in their consciousness forever. Damn those egyptian kings got it right 4000 years ago.
What is Egypt and who are these "kings" you speak of?

You've caught me. I should have said pharaohs. And I would have gotten away with it if it wasn't for those meddling kids.

Wat?

EDIT And I should have capitalized 'Egyptians'. Man I'm tired.

Last edited by Pochsy (2009-03-09 20:10:09)

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2009-03-09 20:21:08

#9

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6020

I wonder if anyone ever attempted to test the theory?

If I get it right, you'll blow your head off and go to another universe where you would repeat the experiment over and over again until you end up in one where your immortal.
Seems stupid IMO
You also have to be very careful how you shot yourself, you could just end up in a coma or without a face instead of dead.

2009-03-09 20:28:29

#10

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6959|South Florida

Macbeth wrote:
I wonder if anyone ever attempted to test the theory?

If I get it right, you'll blow your head off and go to another universe where you would repeat the experiment over and over again until you end up in one where your immortal.
Seems stupid IMO
You also have to be very careful how you shot yourself, you could just end up in a coma or without a face instead of dead.

That counts under the living catagory if i remember correctly. Anything that allows you to take the experiment again, whether paralyzed or coma or whatever, as long as you are not dead.

15 more years! 15 more years!

2009-03-09 20:34:25

#11

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6881|Chicago, IL

the presence of a subject removes the uncertainty from the system, and he will die 100 percent of the time from our perspective.

2009-03-09 20:37:45

#12

Mitch: 16 more years; +877|6959|South Florida

S.Lythberg wrote:
the presence of a subject removes the uncertainty from the system, and he will die 100 percent of the time from our perspective.

help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?

15 more years! 15 more years!

2009-03-09 20:41:51

#13

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6020

Mitch wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
the presence of a subject removes the uncertainty from the system, and he will die 100 percent of the time from our perspective.
help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?

What if you end up in a universe where you don't have arms?

2009-03-09 20:45:00

#14

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6881|Chicago, IL

Mitch wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
the presence of a subject removes the uncertainty from the system, and he will die 100 percent of the time from our perspective.
help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?

The parallel universe you speak of exists purely in a mathematical sense, it has never been observed, and the person will die, radioisotopes that are under observation decay with mathematical predictability .

The uncertainty in quantum mechanics arises from the fact that electrons have been observed to interfere with themselves, in essence being in two places at once. However, altering the system to determine the path of the electron also serves to localize the electron, and the uncertainty is lost.

In this case, the isotope has a specific probability of tunneling, and, given enough time, it will. Since the man acts as a detector for the system, there is no uncertainty, either it has or hasn't decayed, and he will inevitably die.

2009-03-09 20:53:41

#15

ATG: Banned; +5,233|6963|Global Command

S.Lythberg wrote:
Mitch wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
the presence of a subject removes the uncertainty from the system, and he will die 100 percent of the time from our perspective.
help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?
The parallel universe you speak of exists purely in a mathematical sense, it has never been observed, and the person will die, radioisotopes that are under observation decay with mathematical predictability .

The uncertainty in quantum mechanics arises from the fact that electrons have been observed to interfere with themselves, in essence being in two places at once. However, altering the system to determine the path of the electron also serves to localize the electron, and the uncertainty is lost.

In this case, the isotope has a specific probability of tunneling, and, given enough time, it will. Since the man acts as a detector for the system, there is no uncertainty, either it has or hasn't decayed, and he will inevitably die.

It's official; you are too smart for these forums.

2009-03-09 20:54:36

#16

Gooners: Wiki Contributor; +2,700|7066

ATG wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
Mitch wrote:

help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?
The parallel universe you speak of exists purely in a mathematical sense, it has never been observed, and the person will die, radioisotopes that are under observation decay with mathematical predictability .

The uncertainty in quantum mechanics arises from the fact that electrons have been observed to interfere with themselves, in essence being in two places at once. However, altering the system to determine the path of the electron also serves to localize the electron, and the uncertainty is lost.

In this case, the isotope has a specific probability of tunneling, and, given enough time, it will. Since the man acts as a detector for the system, there is no uncertainty, either it has or hasn't decayed, and he will inevitably die.
It's official; you are too smart for these forums.

I second this. Also, goodnight everyone

2009-03-09 20:57:05

#17

S.Lythberg: Mastermind; +429|6881|Chicago, IL

ATG wrote:
S.Lythberg wrote:
Mitch wrote:
help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?
The parallel universe you speak of exists purely in a mathematical sense, it has never been observed, and the person will die, radioisotopes that are under observation decay with mathematical predictability .

The uncertainty in quantum mechanics arises from the fact that electrons have been observed to interfere with themselves, in essence being in two places at once. However, altering the system to determine the path of the electron also serves to localize the electron, and the uncertainty is lost.

In this case, the isotope has a specific probability of tunneling, and, given enough time, it will. Since the man acts as a detector for the system, there is no uncertainty, either it has or hasn't decayed, and he will inevitably die.
It's official; you are too smart for these forums.

Lewl, quantum mechanics final exam on wednesday

2009-03-09 21:08:54

#18

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7099|NT, like Mick Dundee

Maccas bro, hook us up with your dealer.

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Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-03-09 21:09:54

#19

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6020

Flecco wrote:
McBeth, hook us up with your dealer.

I haven't done drugs in awhile, this is 100% natural Macbeth.

2009-03-09 21:11:24

#20

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6587|what

Macbeth wrote:
Flecco wrote:
McBeth, hook us up with your dealer.
I haven't done drugs in awhile, this is 100% natural Macbeth.

lol what reality are you living in?

2009-03-09 21:12:29

#21

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6020

AussieReaper wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Flecco wrote:
McBeth, hook us up with your dealer.
I haven't done drugs in awhile, this is 100% natural Macbeth.
lol what reality are you living in?

Same as yours, just my interruption of it is slightly warped. I actually really wish I had lived in 11th century France.

2009-03-09 21:16:07

#22

Flecco: iPod is broken.; +1,048|7099|NT, like Mick Dundee

Why?

11th century France was a shithole.

Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.

2009-03-09 21:17:02

#23

Pochsy: Artifice of Eternity; +702|5977|Toronto

Flecco wrote:
Why?

11th century France was a shithole.

QFT

The shape of an eye in front of the ocean, digging for stones and throwing them against its window pane. Take it down dreamer, take it down deep. - Other Families

2009-03-09 21:19:18

#24

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|6020

Flecco wrote:
Why?

11th century France was a shithole.

Well people where shorter back then. I like short women. Also French women are hot. So living in a country with a bunch of short french women would be great. I would have chosen 11th century Poland instead but it gets way too cold and I would have to deal Russians every so often.

2009-03-09 21:23:11

#25

AussieReaper: ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°); +5,761|6587|what

Macbeth wrote:
Flecco wrote:
Why?

11th century France was a shithole.
Well people where shorter back then. I like short women. Also French women are hot. So living in a country with a bunch of short french women would be great. I would have chosen 11th century Poland instead but it gets way too cold and I would have to deal Russians every so often.

This is also a time when they didn't shave their legs or clean their teeth.

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