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Macbeth wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Why?

11th century France was a shithole.

Well people where shorter back then. I like short women. Also French women are hot. So living in a country with a bunch of short french women would be great. I would have chosen 11th century Poland instead but it gets way too cold and I would have to deal Russians every so often.

AussieReaper wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Why?

11th century France was a shithole.

Well people where shorter back then. I like short women. Also French women are hot. So living in a country with a bunch of short french women would be great. I would have chosen 11th century Poland instead but it gets way too cold and I would have to deal Russians every so often.

This is also a time when they didn't shave their legs or clean their teeth.

Flecco wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

Flecco wrote:

Why?

11th century France was a shithole.

Well people where shorter back then. I like short women. Also French women are hot. So living in a country with a bunch of short french women would be great. I would have chosen 11th century Poland instead but it gets way too cold and I would have to deal Russians every so often.

Sexually transmitted infections were also probably far more common back then.

Enjoy your flea-bitten women. I'll stick with the relatively clean and hygienic 21st century women of the west.

Last edited by Macbeth (2009-03-09 21:29:36)

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Mitch wrote:

help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?

The parallel universe you speak of exists purely in a mathematical sense, it has never been observed, and the person will die, radioisotopes that are under observation decay with mathematical predictability .

The uncertainty in quantum mechanics arises from the fact that electrons have been observed to interfere with themselves, in essence being in two places at once.  However, altering the system to determine the path of the electron also serves to localize the electron, and the uncertainty is lost.

In this case, the isotope has a specific probability of tunneling, and, given enough time, it will.  Since the man acts as a detector for the system, there is no uncertainty, either it has or hasn't decayed, and he will inevitably die.

Not true. After observation the wave function collapses yes - but into which universe? Because theoretically the observer is not a third party but the person committing suicide, the observation of the previously collapsed wave function can only happen by the person in the universe who miraculously survived the shot to the head.

So yes, to an outside observer there would be a whole shitload of universes where the wave function turned into certain death, but the point of the little situation here is that you are looking at the problem from the perspective from the cat itself.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Well for our purposes in this universe the man will always die, other universes that may or may not exist are inconsequential.

For our purposes yes, but for the purpose of amusing idle thought no.

S.Lythberg wrote:

point being, I would not volunteer myself for such an experiment.

agreed

Though this would be an incredibly amusing if not cruel idea to bring up with a suicidal person.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

My dog merged with my homework.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

My dog merged with my homework.

I determined its velocity to zero uncertainty, now its gone...

You should try this with your test.

That's the stuff internet legends are made of.

-CARNIFEX-[LOC] wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

The uncertainty in quantum mechanics arises from the fact that electrons have been observed to interfere with themselves, in essence being in two places at once.  However, altering the system to determine the path of the electron also serves to localize the electron, and the uncertainty is lost.

In this case, the isotope has a specific probability of tunneling, and, given enough time, it will.  Since the man acts as a detector for the system, there is no uncertainty, either it has or hasn't decayed, and he will inevitably die.

I just started studying some basics of quantum mechanics in physical chemistry, and I have a question for you geniuses.  We were told something to the effect that uncertainty arises due to the wave properties of matter - that for those instances where the sin function = 0, there is a region where the particle is NOT, but there is no way to exactly pinpoint the location of a moving subatomic particle.  To date we haven't covered anything regarding electron interference.  Is what I reiterated still valid, and does it correlate with what you referred to (i.e. - the e- interference)?

I might be remembering this wrong, as I'm up late studying for exams.  We'll probably discuss this in a class or two, but I was wondering after reading your explanation...

S.Lythberg wrote:

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

I determined its velocity to zero uncertainty, now its gone...

You should try this with your test.

That's the stuff internet legends are made of.

My answers were right here a minute ago...

Finray wrote:

This thread makes my brain hurt.

Flaming_Maniac wrote:

1) Why do you need the cat-in-a-box-with-isotope setup? Why can't it be replicated by dying/not dying of old age? In which case there's not really anything quantum about it, and they just put it in the name to make it sound cool.

2) Why does it take time to iterate through each parallel universe? Why can't (more like why don't) they all happen simultaneously? In which case it would not mean it is immortality, only that in some universes you survived the moment, and in all the ones that matter you didn't.

Mitch wrote:

Eventually the user experiences immortality out of sheer luck of that universe.

Mitch wrote:

S.Lythberg wrote:

the presence of a subject removes the uncertainty from the system, and he will die 100 percent of the time from our perspective.

help me understand why he would die 100 percent of the time. wouldnt there be a paralel universe in which the greatest imaginable luck cause him to live through every experiment?

Macbeth wrote:

I don't think STDs where that bad back then and worse comes to worse I could always just Crusade.

Bertster7 wrote:

Macbeth wrote:

I don't think STDs where that bad back then and worse comes to worse I could always just Crusade.

STDs weren't that bad in 11th century France? Do you know how many people died from them?

Mitch wrote:

Please keep this discussion on track.


Quantum Immortality / Suicide
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_suicide

Basically, An experiment is built. It's a loaded gun pointed at the head of the user. It is triggered or not triggered depending on the decay of some radioactive atoms which creates a 50-50 chance of survival.

Now, on the assumption there is paralel universes;

If the subject dies, from his point of view, the experiment is over. However in an alternate universe, he lives and immediatly repeats the experiment.

There exists one alternate timeline where the user repeats the experiment and NEVER dies in any of the outcomes, thus making him immortal.


dies                        lives
                         dies    lives
                                lives dies
                             dies lives
                                      lives dies
                                  dies lives
                                           lives does
                                      dies lives
                                           lives dies
                                            lives...


Eventually the user experiences immortality out of sheer luck of that universe.