like it's just CatholicsTurquoise wrote:
I can understand the desire for soul searching and helpnig the poor, but the choir boy touching always turned me off from the Catholics.
True, Catholics aren't the only ones doing that, and they aren't the only religion that turns me off.Flaming_Maniac wrote:
like it's just CatholicsTurquoise wrote:
I can understand the desire for soul searching and helpnig the poor, but the choir boy touching always turned me off from the Catholics.
Serving mankind is one aspect of the many aspects of a church. It is a worthy pursuit, but not its only purpose. Though it may seem so, a church is not just a big fancy charity organization. Instructing the believers in the teachings of the Bible and encouraging them in their faith is an equally significant purpose of a church.usmarine wrote:
so instead of building nice little churches, why not just send an email / letter out every week telling people what soup kitchen to go to and help out at for example? there, no need for a building an a payroll. so, you eliminated overhead and are serving mankind much better then stuffed inside a church.
Where's Spark?
NAthAN, I've read the bulk of the old testament and a fair bit of the new testament. Have a copy of it around here somewhere (New Testament), though my old testament bible (New Literal Translation with a lot of annotations included) is long gone. I'm pretty sure quantum mechanics is about 5000 times harder to get your head around than the Christian Bible.
I find it insulting that I, or anybody, should have to attend a weekly congregation to receive moral guidance. What's wrong with making my own mind up as opposed to going and having a Priest's personal interpretation of a 1700 year old book which promises punishment for doing wrong? As opposed to just doing the right thing because it's what you should do?
I think you'll find the Sabbath Commandment is the 3rd Commandment. If you actually meant the 4th, then I don't see why honouring your God by working in a homeless shelter is any less Christian than sitting in a Church for a few hours.
Lastly, the primary goal of the Catholic Church upon it's founding was to unite the Roman Empire under a new religion for political purposes. At the moment I'd say it's primary goal is to retain and seek out more members to sustain itself financially. Maintaining diplomatic relations with over half the planet isn't cheap, even for a tax-exempt Church.
NAthAN, I've read the bulk of the old testament and a fair bit of the new testament. Have a copy of it around here somewhere (New Testament), though my old testament bible (New Literal Translation with a lot of annotations included) is long gone. I'm pretty sure quantum mechanics is about 5000 times harder to get your head around than the Christian Bible.
I find it insulting that I, or anybody, should have to attend a weekly congregation to receive moral guidance. What's wrong with making my own mind up as opposed to going and having a Priest's personal interpretation of a 1700 year old book which promises punishment for doing wrong? As opposed to just doing the right thing because it's what you should do?
I think you'll find the Sabbath Commandment is the 3rd Commandment. If you actually meant the 4th, then I don't see why honouring your God by working in a homeless shelter is any less Christian than sitting in a Church for a few hours.
Lastly, the primary goal of the Catholic Church upon it's founding was to unite the Roman Empire under a new religion for political purposes. At the moment I'd say it's primary goal is to retain and seek out more members to sustain itself financially. Maintaining diplomatic relations with over half the planet isn't cheap, even for a tax-exempt Church.
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No one has to come weekly to hear a Scriptural message, but many choose to. I don't find it insulting at all to hear another's perspective on a passage. Particularly if it is from someone who has studied the Bible for decades longer than I have. I believe I know what most passages mean, having grown up in the church. However, I do not claim to have mastered the application of it. It's one thing to know the principles, quite another to live them out. Hence the value of a weekly reminder.
Regarding the commandments, you are correct that obeying one is not "more Christian" than obeying another. I am not Catholic, so I cannot speak to any of their goals or purposes.
Regarding the commandments, you are correct that obeying one is not "more Christian" than obeying another. I am not Catholic, so I cannot speak to any of their goals or purposes.
I find it insulting when certain people imply that I am lacking any moral compass because I don't attend church or practice any religion, my Christian friends do this a bit, particularly the Hillsong bunch.
I thought the Commandments were a general tenant of the Christian/Jewish/Ismaic faith obeyed by all members of the various sects/churches and such given their presence in the Old Testament.
I thought the Commandments were a general tenant of the Christian/Jewish/Ismaic faith obeyed by all members of the various sects/churches and such given their presence in the Old Testament.
Truth right there. Then again people disagree on the principles of the Bible a lot. Islam is a nice example.Stingray24 wrote:
It's one thing to know the principles, quite another to live them out.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
How so?Flecco wrote:
Then again people disagree on the principles of the Bible a lot. Islam is a nice example.
Islam sees Jesus as a both prophet and messenger of God.
It disputes the nature of the Gospels, with many apparently believing them to be corrupted over the last 1900 years since the bulk of them were written. Some sects deny that they are even Isa's (Jesus) book, and that his holy book was lost after his death.AussieReaper wrote:
How so?Flecco wrote:
Then again people disagree on the principles of the Bible a lot. Islam is a nice example.
Islam sees Jesus as a both prophet and messenger of God.
Has a different twist on each of the commandments too, best example is the one about murder. Apparently acceptable if the victim has committed a horrendous crime.
There's a few others. Maybe M3th can shed some light for us heathens from down under.
And I don't smell like fish anymore!
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All religions a joke. Christianity is just a womans attempt to cover up an affair and it got carried away...
Basically religion is the human way to explain the unexplainable...at the time. lightning and rain used to be gods message or w/e. now we are smart enough to explain it...
Basically religion is the human way to explain the unexplainable...at the time. lightning and rain used to be gods message or w/e. now we are smart enough to explain it...
Religion really annoys me. In every other topic in this world you have to present facts, evidence and credible theories to argue your corner or risk being considered a crazy conspiracy theorist... but for some reason religion gets a pass. Religion is, for some reason, allowed to advocate absolute truths without a scrap of hard evidence. In reality believing in God is no different to believing in Santa Claus, the Loch Ness monster or the tooth fairy.
God may very well exist but without credible evidence that has been verified with the same rigour that any other serious subject would be religion must not kid itself that it has any actual answers or 'truths' regarding this universe, it simply does not. Religion is just thousands of years of conjecture.
God may very well exist but without credible evidence that has been verified with the same rigour that any other serious subject would be religion must not kid itself that it has any actual answers or 'truths' regarding this universe, it simply does not. Religion is just thousands of years of conjecture.
It's no longer even considered conjecture, you'll say to a religious zealot "Could the passage, 'And let there be light and so there was light' be taken to mean The Big Bang?"Braddock wrote:
God may very well exist but without credible evidence that has been verified with the same rigour that any other serious subject would be religion must not kid itself that it has any actual answers or 'truths' regarding this universe, it simply does not. Religion is just thousands of years of conjecture.
And they'll say "No. God created the heaven and the Earth and then light, it's got nothing to do with a big bang which never happened, end of story."
You and I know it's conjecture and stories (fairy tales) but the people who take it all in a literal sense really shit me cause they cannot see the other side of the coin.
Ignorance is bliss I guess!AussieReaper wrote:
It's no longer even considered conjecture, you'll say to a religious zealot "Could the passage, 'And let there be light and so there was light' be taken to mean The Big Bang?"Braddock wrote:
God may very well exist but without credible evidence that has been verified with the same rigour that any other serious subject would be religion must not kid itself that it has any actual answers or 'truths' regarding this universe, it simply does not. Religion is just thousands of years of conjecture.
And they'll say "No. God created the heaven and the Earth and then light, it's got nothing to do with a big bang which never happened, end of story."
You and I know it's conjecture and stories (fairy tales) but the people who take it all in a literal sense really shit me cause they cannot see the other side of the coin.
*defibrillator zap*
Just saw this movie and I must say... Stupid. It could have been a really nice informative and funny documentary about religions etc if only they would let people speak! For fucks sake Bill SHUT THE FUCK UP and let people speak! You had some good nut-jobs there...
Also. Nice pro-Israel propaganda. How he thought he could fit it into a documentary that bashes religions is beyond me. And for the record Bill, the division between politics and religion which you tried to hide when it came to Israel and Iran etc was just too obvious a cover-up. Better luck with the sequel.
Just saw this movie and I must say... Stupid. It could have been a really nice informative and funny documentary about religions etc if only they would let people speak! For fucks sake Bill SHUT THE FUCK UP and let people speak! You had some good nut-jobs there...
Also. Nice pro-Israel propaganda. How he thought he could fit it into a documentary that bashes religions is beyond me. And for the record Bill, the division between politics and religion which you tried to hide when it came to Israel and Iran etc was just too obvious a cover-up. Better luck with the sequel.
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