Noobpatty
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IGN wrote:

Australia,  March 16, 2009 - In a guest lecture at Macquarie University on Monday night (AEST), Distinguished Professor Anderson, Director of Centre of the Study of Violence at Iowa State University spoke of the risks of violent videogames, presenting a series of findings that would surprise even the most seasoned gamers.

"Research was clear by 1975 that media violence caused aggressive behaviour," Prof. Anderson said.

"We know that short term exposure to violent media can lead to aggressive behaviour and aggressive thinking within five minutes of watching a violent film or playing a violent game, while long term exposure can lead to aggression into early adulthood."

To highlight this connection, Prof. Anderson examined the likelihood of violent videogames leading to aggressive behaviour by drawing on well-known examples of cause and effect. Such examples included the chances of regular consumption of aspirin leading to heart attacks, the chances of asbestos causing cancer, and the chances of condom use reducing the risk of contracting HIV. In all these examples, violent videogames proved to be a higher risk factor, going as far as being approximately three times more likely to happen than asbestos exposure leading to cancer.

On the scale of youth violence risk factors, violent videogames were more likely to increase aggression than substance abuse, poverty, and anti-social peers.

Anderson was careful to point out that this did not necessarily mean that everyone who played violent videogames would begin committing violent acts. Rather, violent games made players more prepared to think aggressive thoughts.

He cited another study where college students were asked to play a pro-social, neutral, and violent game, after which each was tested to see how willing they were to help their peers solve puzzles. The study showed that those who played non-violent, pro-social games were more inclined to be helpful by choosing easier puzzles for their peers to complete, whereas those who had just played violent games chose difficult puzzles to impede on their peers' ability to complete the challenge.

While Anderson believes that this increase in aggressive behaviour is a cause for concern, he doesn't think that violent games are solely to be blamed for anti-social behaviour.

"Extreme acts of violence always require multiple risk factors being present. You just don't ever have a school shooter, for example, who only has one risk factor. It just doesn't happen. There's usually four, five, six, seven risk factors, sometimes more. Media violence is one of those risk factors." he said.

"Does that mean playing violent videogames is going to create a school shooter? No, not if there aren't any other risk factors. But in kids who have a lot of other risk factors, can it contribute to the likelihood of some sort of extreme violent behaviour occurring? Probably, it can. More so than other risk factors? We don't know. There's no data on it."

Despite these findings, Anderson believes that games can be great teaching tools and, in many cases, can lead to positive behavioural changes. Titles such as Chibi Robot, Mario Sunshine, and Food Force were some examples of games he mentioned that lead to pro-social behaviour in children, encouraging them to be more helpful.

"There are some games out there that teach kids how to manage diabetes, ADHD and asthma, and kids who engage in those kinds of pro-social games experienced fewer health consequences," he said.

Anderson's lecture ended with what seemed to be the obvious: ways of reducing the impacts of aggression caused by violent games.

"We have empirical evidence that shows that adult involvement reduces the harmful impact of violent media," he said.

"We have data on that from several studies now. It's not conclusive, but it does suggest adult involvement is very important."

So it seems like it's not all doom and gloom. We can have our cake and eat it too. Sort of.
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Stuff that's been said before, but Mr. Anderson (google search produces ...this?) here looks like one of the rarities who understand that video games alone are never the sole reason someone goes trigger happy on an innocent populace. Games where you can decide your own actions, I believe, actually aren't just a funnel for violent thoughts but can fuel them. As in Fallout 3, you can have a totally "Fuck with me or don't do what I say and your brains will paint the wall behind me-" attitude. If I play for an extended time on a certain game I start to take that mentality with me, sometimes doing things mindlessly without having to worry as if I could just load a previous save of my life, lol. It's kinda weird, but given these kinds of violent options and opportunities for filling out violent fantasies, as someone commented on the source page, you can involuntarily start thinking the same way irl.

Last edited by Noobpatty (2009-03-17 12:10:55)

henno13
A generally unremarkable member
+230|6778|Belfast
*yawn*
Ive been playing violent video games for a long time, do you see me shooting up a school or shopping mall?

Last edited by henno13 (2009-03-17 12:10:53)

Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6783|West NY

henno13 wrote:

*yawn*
Ive been playing violent video games for a long time, do you see me shooting up a school or shopping mall?
Exactly.
MAGUIRE93
High Angle Hell
+182|6623|Schofield Barracks
Ive been playing violent video games and watching violent movies for as long as i can remember. I am not a violent person and i have never thought about killing anyone.
henno13
A generally unremarkable member
+230|6778|Belfast
He wrote a book on it


https://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/videogames.jpg

Last edited by henno13 (2009-03-17 12:18:13)

MAGUIRE93
High Angle Hell
+182|6623|Schofield Barracks

henno13 wrote:

He wrote a book on it
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/videogames.jpg
They just had to put one of the most violent looking games on the front.
Bevo
Nah
+718|6950|Austin, Texas

MAGUIRE93 wrote:

henno13 wrote:

He wrote a book on it
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/videogames.jpg
They just had to put one of the most violent looking games on the front.
Playing soldier in TF2 releases a lot of stress and anger. You can feel satisfied blowing people up virtually, taking away the want to do it (or anything else violent) in real life.

I don't know about you, but after playing 25 hrs of soldier in TF2 I really want to take a rocket launcher, jump in the air, crouch, fire it at my feet and see how far I can go.

/facepalm
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6783|West NY

MAGUIRE93 wrote:

henno13 wrote:

He wrote a book on it
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/videogames.jpg
They just had to put one of the most violent looking games on the front.
they did it for the lulz money.
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6783|West NY

Bevo wrote:

MAGUIRE93 wrote:

henno13 wrote:

He wrote a book on it
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/videogames.jpg
They just had to put one of the most violent looking games on the front.
Playing soldier in TF2 releases a lot of stress and anger. You can feel satisfied blowing people up virtually, taking away the want to do it (or anything else violent) in real life.
That's a plus that only some people can get out of it though
I suck at TF2 so uh
It's a different experience for me
Ioan92
Member
+337|6152
If I play for an extended time on a certain game I start to take that mentality with me, sometimes doing things mindlessly without having to worry as if I could just load a previous save of my life, lol.
Seek help.


I've been playing FPS games since their dawn, not only that but ONLY fps games (yeah yeah simulators don't count as games to me) and once I press the exit button, it's my regular life again. I don't buy assault rifles and storm schools. I have a brain with the latest common sense software that prevents me from doing it.
Noobpatty
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+194|6783|West NY

Ioan92 wrote:

If I play for an extended time on a certain game I start to take that mentality with me, sometimes doing things mindlessly without having to worry as if I could just load a previous save of my life, lol.
Seek help.


I've been playing FPS games since their dawn, not only that but ONLY fps games (yeah yeah simulators don't count as games to me) and once I press the exit button, it's my regular life again. I don't buy assault rifles and storm schools. I have a brain with the latest common sense software that prevents me from doing it.
Moar liek seek sleep.
Morbid_Hunger
Playstation 3 Junkie
+20|5970|Iron Gater

henno13 wrote:

He wrote a book on it


http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/7571/videogames.jpg
lol manhunt
topal63
. . .
+533|7147
Has anyone actually read any of these studies? Sometimes the statistical margin of error is often equal to the claim there is cause and correlated effect.  Other times it is entirely subjective. Example if 50.05 percent respond negatively vs. 49.95 percent who don't--produces a rather spurious claim. Or more aptly, have they've proved anything at all? They make sweeping claims (based upon marginal statistical variations) that cartoon violence (Tom & Jerry type) causes real-world violence. Other studies are clearer--that boys who don't play video games with their friends (violence or non-violent ones) are at a greater risk of behavioral problems than those who form social networks; and gaming is often a social-network.

PS: Craig A. Anderson, Ph.D., of course after cliking on the link (above in the OP) it dawned on me, this is same guy making the same sweeping claims he's made years ago... IMO he is full of shit. Here is one of his early psyche mumbo jumbo creations: http://www.psychology.iastate.edu/facul … 9/95AM.pdf
If you can handle it read it... he's had a hard-on for his "own" premise-conclusion (media violence causes violence; life imitates art) for years.

Last edited by topal63 (2009-03-17 13:39:04)

Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|7006|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
Total Bullshit.

Ive been playing violent game for the last 10 years at least....Never i went on a shooting spree or tho about it seriously.

Yet some people never played such game and went psychotic murderer...its not the game that make em murderer...its because they are god dammit.

Stupid Australia...sorry guise but your govt suck ass, researcher sucks ass too. Move to Canada or USA and play Manhunt all way long
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6217|Catherine Black
It only effects you if you allow yourself to be effected.

Why don't they see that, yes, there's a link between violent games and crime, but that link only exists in people who are fucking mental to begin with.
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Graphic-J
The Artist formerly known as GraphicArtist-J
+196|6555|So Cal
I squished an ant an hour ago....


.....and I blame it all on DOOM™  *sniff*
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RAIMIUS
You with the face!
+244|7144|US
"Research was clear by 1975 that media violence caused aggressive behaviour," Prof. Anderson said.

"We know that short term exposure to violent media can lead to aggressive behaviour and aggressive thinking within five minutes of watching a violent film or playing a violent game, while long term exposure can lead to aggression into early adulthood."

To highlight this connection, Prof. Anderson examined the likelihood of violent videogames leading to aggressive behaviour by drawing on well-known examples of cause and effect. Such examples included the chances of regular consumption of aspirin leading to heart attacks, the chances of asbestos causing cancer, and the chances of condom use reducing the risk of contracting HIV. In all these examples, violent videogames proved to be a higher risk factor, going as far as being approximately three times more likely to happen than asbestos exposure leading to cancer.

On the scale of youth violence risk factors, violent videogames were more likely to increase aggression than substance abuse, poverty, and anti-social peers.
That is a LOT of conclusions to base one's own thoughts on.  I'd like to see the evidence...
presidentsheep
Back to the Fuhrer
+208|6390|Places 'n such
ive played violent games about the same amount of time ive been vegetarian...
just coincidence though.
I'd type my pc specs out all fancy again but teh mods would remove it. Again.
Noobpatty
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+194|6783|West NY

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Total Bullshit.

Ive been playing violent game for the last 10 years at least....Never i went on a shooting spree or tho about it seriously.
Did you actually read the quote...

"Does that mean playing violent videogames is going to create a school shooter? No, not if there aren't any other risk factors. But in kids who have a lot of other risk factors, can it contribute to the likelihood of some sort of extreme violent behaviour occurring? Probably, it can. More so than other risk factors? We don't know. There's no data on it."

Last edited by Noobpatty (2009-03-17 14:28:32)

Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7204|Noizyland

Interesting but it kind of lost credibility with the puzzle thing. People who play violent video games are more likely to give their peers difficult puzzles? Is that violence? Now "people who play violent video games are more likely to beat up their peers" seem to suggest a link but you can't say "People who eat McDonald's are more likely to drive slowly, that means that people who eat McDonald's are less likely to have a car accident."

Video games and violent media do have an impact on whether someone is violent or not, I can agree to that. However I think that the impact it acctually has is so insignificant when compared to a person's upbringing or their own inherent tendency towards violence that debate on the issue is pretty damn pointless.
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Noobpatty
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+194|6783|West NY

Ty wrote:

Interesting but it kind of lost credibility with the puzzle thing. People who play violent video games are more likely to give their peers difficult puzzles?
Yeah I didn't...really understand that part.
Nappy
Apprentice
+151|6658|NSW, Australia

makes me feel like playing clerks 2 and using the er... chicken shotgun
The A W S M F O X
I Won't Deny It
+172|6114|SQUID
didnt read the wall of text but yeah videogame violence is a outlet for those thoughts
Ultrafunkula
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henno13 wrote:

*yawn*
Ive been playing violent video games for a long time, do you see me shooting up a school or shopping mall?
Since -85 here. No shootings made by me either. Cept for back in -98 in the army on the shooting range with an assault rifle.
The A W S M F O X
I Won't Deny It
+172|6114|SQUID
me either except that one "indisgression" in tasmania

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