phishman420
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Jenspm wrote:

@ig, mok, etc: I have no problem listening to mp3s, and can definately enjoy music in that format (I do, everyday). However, when I listen to flac, I think "this is awesome", not "this is decent, the rest is shit"



The difference is like sex with Eva Longoria vs sex with a slightly less hawt chick, rather than having sex vs not having sex.


geddit?
ight den

but it doesnt seem like the others view it like you

also, that does not justify multi-thousand dollar setups in any way

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.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6882|The Twilight Zone

Jenspm wrote:

@ig, mok, etc: I have no problem listening to mp3s, and can definately enjoy music in that format (I do, everyday). However, when I listen to flac, I think "this is awesome", not "this is decent, the rest is shit"



The difference is like sex with Eva Longoria vs sex with a slightly less hawt chick, rather than having sex vs not having sex.


geddit?
I agree with what you said. On my PC setup I mostly listen to internet radio (@192kbps) and the sound certainly does satisfy me.

But if someone asks whether I hear difference between 128kbps and FLAC or wave I probably would hear it, depends on the song really-how good its ripped or if is very bassy or not,...

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Uzique
dasein.
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.Sup wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Flecco wrote:


7.1 wall mounted speakers.
Most music-tracks are recorded in stereo, 7.1 or 5.1 surround sound really is quite useless, all it will do is split and divide the track in ways that it was not produced/reocrded to be split, and then you'll get all sorts of EQ problems and losses to quality. Unless you want to constantly readjust your equalizer and surround-setup everytime you play a different genre/style of song, it's probably best to just cut out the surround and keep it to a 2.1 when listening to music. I know very few artists that record with 5.1 support, and the only guy I know that produces his music specifically for full-ambient 7.1 is Amon Tobin.
lol wat you know nothing. Ever heard of SACD or DVD Audio? 6, 8,.. mics recording sound from different angles creating multichannel output and not splitting stereo like you said LOLD big time


phishman420 wrote:

.Sup wrote:

buy some ears

phishman420 wrote:

if audiophiles didnt have their heads so far up their asses, maybe they could actually hear the music like normal people
Sounds like you're a bit envy you can't hear what others can.
Hardly any recording artists nowadays use this technology, so fuck off Sup with your techgeek pseudo-audiophilia. You're too poor to be an audiophile, and too desperate and contrived to ever be considered one by the BF2s community. Besides, the cock-measuring competitions and random "Aha! I Googled this information and it trumps your Googled information!" topics in Tech have firmly established the aspiring-'audiophiles' of BF2s as nothing more but laughing jokes. tl;dr: Even if you do triumphantly prove a masterful knowledge of audio wikipedia, everyone still thinks you're a smarmy cunt about it.

The fact is that for 90% of music, regardless of the encoding/transcoding quality, the actual sound in the first place was recorded for 'traditional' listening purposes, not for surround sound environments. When something at a studio-level is balanced, EQ'd and tracked to the traditional left/right stereo/sub format, all surround-sound systems and soundcards then essentially have to 'emulate' a surround sound experience by splitting that original source and blagging it half-assedly. It's not as good. You lose quality, clarity and fidelity. Simple. I don't care what technologies do exist to allow multi-channel recording and surround-sound support - I already acknowledged some artists record with 5.1/7.1 positional/surround support - my point was that considering Logitech's PC/Gaming orientated surround speakers as "good" for audio purposes is silly, because they're not. 2 monitor/studio speakers would do a far better job than any high-end PC surround system, and the properly geared hi-fi/surround systems that cost several K are clearly not what anyone gives a fuck about on this forum/this thread. Save that sort of wang-waving for actual audio-tech Forums, no one here cares, it's a gaming forum.
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Flecco
iPod is broken.
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Watch the World Burn from the Dark Knight is probably a decent test of lossless audio.



Has a trippy bit where it's like the dull bass thud of a chopper blade in the background. Hard to hear with shit headphones.
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Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
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No, ig, you won't hear a difference on your toy speakers.

Logitechs go the mainstream way of creating "good sound"; They put a ridiculously undersized high-excursion sub together with a bunch of 2-3" satellites. That gives the system ONE IMPERIAL FUCKTONNE of bass, and ONE METRICAL FUCKTONNE of high mids, but nothing in between or after. All the treble and low mids are just not there. Those are also the spots where compression artifacts usually are the most apparent; low mids and bass melting together in an unclear blur, and the treble sounding like a hurt cat on crack.

A good system has 10-15" sub(s), depending on power, 5-6" mids, and some dedicated treble speakers on top of that.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
Adams_BJ
Russian warship, go fuck yourself
+2,055|7051|Little Bentcock

AussieReaper wrote:

.Sup wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


10.5 pwns 9.1
only for deaf people who can't hear but only feel the bass lul
I was thinking more along the lines of:

http://www.myfoxwfld.com/myvoicedc/wp-c … harles.jpg
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6f/Beethoven.jpg


tbh
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7094|NT, like Mick Dundee

Uzique wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Flecco wrote:

7.1 wall mounted speakers.
Most music-tracks are recorded in stereo, 7.1 or 5.1 surround sound really is quite useless, all it will do is split and divide the track in ways that it was not produced/reocrded to be split, and then you'll get all sorts of EQ problems and losses to quality. Unless you want to constantly readjust your equalizer and surround-setup everytime you play a different genre/style of song, it's probably best to just cut out the surround and keep it to a 2.1 when listening to music. I know very few artists that record with 5.1 support, and the only guy I know that produces his music specifically for full-ambient 7.1 is Amon Tobin.
lol wat you know nothing. Ever heard of SACD or DVD Audio? 6, 8,.. mics recording sound from different angles creating multichannel output and not splitting stereo like you said LOLD big time


phishman420 wrote:

.Sup wrote:

buy some ears
Sounds like you're a bit envy you can't hear what others can.
Hardly any recording artists nowadays use this technology, so fuck off Sup with your techgeek pseudo-audiophilia. You're too poor to be an audiophile, and too desperate and contrived to ever be considered one by the BF2s community. Besides, the cock-measuring competitions and random "Aha! I Googled this information and it trumps your Googled information!" topics in Tech have firmly established the aspiring-'audiophiles' of BF2s as nothing more but laughing jokes. tl;dr: Even if you do triumphantly prove a masterful knowledge of audio wikipedia, everyone still thinks you're a smarmy cunt about it.

The fact is that for 90% of music, regardless of the encoding/transcoding quality, the actual sound in the first place was recorded for 'traditional' listening purposes, not for surround sound environments. When something at a studio-level is balanced, EQ'd and tracked to the traditional left/right stereo/sub format, all surround-sound systems and soundcards then essentially have to 'emulate' a surround sound experience by splitting that original source and blagging it half-assedly. It's not as good. You lose quality, clarity and fidelity. Simple. I don't care what technologies do exist to allow multi-channel recording and surround-sound support - I already acknowledged some artists record with 5.1/7.1 positional/surround support - my point was that considering Logitech's PC/Gaming orientated surround speakers as "good" for audio purposes is silly, because they're not. 2 monitor/studio speakers would do a far better job than any high-end PC surround system, and the properly geared hi-fi/surround systems that cost several K are clearly not what anyone gives a fuck about on this forum/this thread. Save that sort of wang-waving for actual audio-tech Forums, no one here cares, it's a gaming forum.
tl:dr

Fuck you and fuck yo' couch.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
phishman420
Banned
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wats goin on here gaiz
Jenspm
penis
+1,716|7161|St. Andrews / Oslo

phishman420 wrote:

wats goin on here gaiz
it just got srs
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.Sup
be nice
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Uzique wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Uzique wrote:

Flecco wrote:

7.1 wall mounted speakers.
Most music-tracks are recorded in stereo, 7.1 or 5.1 surround sound really is quite useless, all it will do is split and divide the track in ways that it was not produced/reocrded to be split, and then you'll get all sorts of EQ problems and losses to quality. Unless you want to constantly readjust your equalizer and surround-setup everytime you play a different genre/style of song, it's probably best to just cut out the surround and keep it to a 2.1 when listening to music. I know very few artists that record with 5.1 support, and the only guy I know that produces his music specifically for full-ambient 7.1 is Amon Tobin.
lol wat you know nothing. Ever heard of SACD or DVD Audio? 6, 8,.. mics recording sound from different angles creating multichannel output and not splitting stereo like you said LOLD big time


phishman420 wrote:

.Sup wrote:

buy some ears
Sounds like you're a bit envy you can't hear what others can.
Hardly any recording artists nowadays use this technology, so fuck off Sup with your techgeek pseudo-audiophilia. You're too poor to be an audiophile, and too desperate and contrived to ever be considered one by the BF2s community. Besides, the cock-measuring competitions and random "Aha! I Googled this information and it trumps your Googled information!" topics in Tech have firmly established the aspiring-'audiophiles' of BF2s as nothing more but laughing jokes. tl;dr: Even if you do triumphantly prove a masterful knowledge of audio wikipedia, everyone still thinks you're a smarmy cunt about it.

The fact is that for 90% of music, regardless of the encoding/transcoding quality, the actual sound in the first place was recorded for 'traditional' listening purposes, not for surround sound environments. When something at a studio-level is balanced, EQ'd and tracked to the traditional left/right stereo/sub format, all surround-sound systems and soundcards then essentially have to 'emulate' a surround sound experience by splitting that original source and blagging it half-assedly. It's not as good. You lose quality, clarity and fidelity. Simple. I don't care what technologies do exist to allow multi-channel recording and surround-sound support - I already acknowledged some artists record with 5.1/7.1 positional/surround support - my point was that considering Logitech's PC/Gaming orientated surround speakers as "good" for audio purposes is silly, because they're not. 2 monitor/studio speakers would do a far better job than any high-end PC surround system, and the properly geared hi-fi/surround systems that cost several K are clearly not what anyone gives a fuck about on this forum/this thread. Save that sort of wang-waving for actual audio-tech Forums, no one here cares, it's a gaming forum.
Funny as I NEVER said I consider myself an audiophile....
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Freezer7Pro
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.Sup wrote:

Uzique wrote:

.Sup wrote:


lol wat you know nothing. Ever heard of SACD or DVD Audio? 6, 8,.. mics recording sound from different angles creating multichannel output and not splitting stereo like you said LOLD big time



Sounds like you're a bit envy you can't hear what others can.
Hardly any recording artists nowadays use this technology, so fuck off Sup with your techgeek pseudo-audiophilia. You're too poor to be an audiophile, and too desperate and contrived to ever be considered one by the BF2s community. Besides, the cock-measuring competitions and random "Aha! I Googled this information and it trumps your Googled information!" topics in Tech have firmly established the aspiring-'audiophiles' of BF2s as nothing more but laughing jokes. tl;dr: Even if you do triumphantly prove a masterful knowledge of audio wikipedia, everyone still thinks you're a smarmy cunt about it.

The fact is that for 90% of music, regardless of the encoding/transcoding quality, the actual sound in the first place was recorded for 'traditional' listening purposes, not for surround sound environments. When something at a studio-level is balanced, EQ'd and tracked to the traditional left/right stereo/sub format, all surround-sound systems and soundcards then essentially have to 'emulate' a surround sound experience by splitting that original source and blagging it half-assedly. It's not as good. You lose quality, clarity and fidelity. Simple. I don't care what technologies do exist to allow multi-channel recording and surround-sound support - I already acknowledged some artists record with 5.1/7.1 positional/surround support - my point was that considering Logitech's PC/Gaming orientated surround speakers as "good" for audio purposes is silly, because they're not. 2 monitor/studio speakers would do a far better job than any high-end PC surround system, and the properly geared hi-fi/surround systems that cost several K are clearly not what anyone gives a fuck about on this forum/this thread. Save that sort of wang-waving for actual audio-tech Forums, no one here cares, it's a gaming forum.
Funny as I NEVER said I consider myself an audiophile....
Of course you haven't

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-03-22 07:19:23)

The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6882|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Uzique wrote:


Hardly any recording artists nowadays use this technology, so fuck off Sup with your techgeek pseudo-audiophilia. You're too poor to be an audiophile, and too desperate and contrived to ever be considered one by the BF2s community. Besides, the cock-measuring competitions and random "Aha! I Googled this information and it trumps your Googled information!" topics in Tech have firmly established the aspiring-'audiophiles' of BF2s as nothing more but laughing jokes. tl;dr: Even if you do triumphantly prove a masterful knowledge of audio wikipedia, everyone still thinks you're a smarmy cunt about it.

The fact is that for 90% of music, regardless of the encoding/transcoding quality, the actual sound in the first place was recorded for 'traditional' listening purposes, not for surround sound environments. When something at a studio-level is balanced, EQ'd and tracked to the traditional left/right stereo/sub format, all surround-sound systems and soundcards then essentially have to 'emulate' a surround sound experience by splitting that original source and blagging it half-assedly. It's not as good. You lose quality, clarity and fidelity. Simple. I don't care what technologies do exist to allow multi-channel recording and surround-sound support - I already acknowledged some artists record with 5.1/7.1 positional/surround support - my point was that considering Logitech's PC/Gaming orientated surround speakers as "good" for audio purposes is silly, because they're not. 2 monitor/studio speakers would do a far better job than any high-end PC surround system, and the properly geared hi-fi/surround systems that cost several K are clearly not what anyone gives a fuck about on this forum/this thread. Save that sort of wang-waving for actual audio-tech Forums, no one here cares, it's a gaming forum.
Funny as I NEVER said I consider myself an audiophile....
Of course you didn't
link me to the thread I did. I could have "Audiophile" as my member title but I have Audio fanatic instead. Its more appropriate. Freezer you're assuming too much
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Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7094|NT, like Mick Dundee

This is like a Billy Joel moment.....


We didn't start the fiiiiiiire...


I wish THA could see this. Or TMo.

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phishman420
Banned
+821|6110
ok im dlin carter 2 in flac. if it doesnt blow me away, fffffuuuuu all

the other flac albums i have are sbd's from live concerts, so maybe that's why there was no difference
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6882|The Twilight Zone

phishman420 wrote:

ok im dlin carter 2 in flac. if it doesnt blow me away, fffffuuuuu all

the other flac albums i have are sbd's from live concerts, so maybe that's why there was no difference
You prolly won't hear any difference on your Logitechs
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Freezer7Pro
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phishman420 wrote:

ok im dlin carter 2 in flac. if it doesnt blow me away, fffffuuuuu all

the other flac albums i have are sbd's from live concerts, so maybe that's why there was no difference

Freezer7Pro wrote:

No, ig, you won't hear a difference on your toy speakers.

Logitechs go the mainstream way of creating "good sound"; They put a ridiculously undersized high-excursion sub together with a bunch of 2-3" satellites. That gives the system ONE IMPERIAL FUCKTONNE of bass, and ONE METRICAL FUCKTONNE of high mids, but nothing in between or after. All the treble and low mids are just not there. Those are also the spots where compression artifacts usually are the most apparent; low mids and bass melting together in an unclear blur, and the treble sounding like a hurt cat on crack.

A good system has 10-15" sub(s), depending on power, 5-6" mids, and some dedicated treble speakers on top of that.
We should leave this thread to die, it isn't gonna go anywhere.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
phishman420
Banned
+821|6110
what about my ipod then
Freezer7Pro
I don't come here a lot anymore.
+1,447|6626|Winland

phishman420 wrote:

what about my ipod then
Even worse.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6882|The Twilight Zone

phishman420 wrote:

what about my ipod then
ipod.. + what else? a headamp, good headphones (not earphones) and ipod LOD out? maybe
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phishman420
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+821|6110
god you guys are so gay lol
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6996|NYC / Hamburg

this thread makes me lol

On contemporary mainstream music you won't hear a difference between a decent MP3 and lossless, no matter what speakers you have. That said the z5500's, while good for gaming and movies really aren't all that good for music.
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phishman420
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sound pretty fucking good to me
Freezer7Pro
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+1,447|6626|Winland

phishman420 wrote:

sound pretty fucking good to me
That's because you haven't heard anything better.
The idea of any hi-fi system is to reproduce the source material as faithfully as possible, and to deliberately add distortion to everything you hear (due to amplifier deficiencies) because it sounds 'nice' is simply not high fidelity. If that is what you want to hear then there is no problem with that, but by adding so much additional material (by way of harmonics and intermodulation) you have a tailored sound system, not a hi-fi. - Rod Elliot, ESP
max
Vela Incident
+1,652|6996|NYC / Hamburg

Great for you

One less thing you have to spend money on
once upon a midnight dreary, while i pron surfed, weak and weary, over many a strange and spurious site of ' hot  xxx galore'. While i clicked my fav'rite bookmark, suddenly there came a warning, and my heart was filled with mourning, mourning for my dear amour, " 'Tis not possible!", i muttered, " give me back my free hardcore!"..... quoth the server, 404.
.Sup
be nice
+2,646|6882|The Twilight Zone

Freezer7Pro wrote:

phishman420 wrote:

sound pretty fucking good to me
That's because you haven't heard anything better.

max wrote:

Great for you

One less thing you have to spend money on
lol says the guy with 1 gazillion of GFX cards

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