Ilocano
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Found another source:
http://timesunion.com/ASPStories/story. … yID=722804
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COLONIE -- Mohsin Naqvi, a Muslim who joined the Army after the Sept. 11, 2001 terror attacks and then died in an Afghanistan roadside bombing last week, was mourned by more than 100 people at a Central Avenue mosque today.
   
Male mourners left the prayer room at the al-Fatima Islamic Center about 20 minutes before the start of the 1 p.m. ceremony so that the female members of the mosque could pay respects to Naqvi, who was 26 years old.

The men gathered in the hall and bowed their heads in silence as wailing could be heard through the closed doors of the prayer room. Some of the women chanted Naqvi's first name.

Naqvi joined the Army shortly after the terror attacks and hoped to bridge the divide between America and the Muslim world, friends and relatives say

"Our message is we have chosen this country. We are going to live here. We are going to die here. We are going to contribute in every respect," said Haider Khwaja, the mosque's vice president.

"He has sacrificed his life for the country."

Naqvi was among four U.S. Army soldiers killed Sept. 17 when a roadside bomb exploded near their patrol in eastern Afghanistan. He died during the Muslim holy month of Ramadan.

Naqvi grew up near Newburgh. He was born in Pakistan and came to the U.S. as a young child. The second lieutenant had joined the Army Reserve near Newburgh days after the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks and used his language skills to communicate with Afghans and reassure them about American intentions.

His wife, Raazia, lives with his sister, Tasneem Ali, in Mechanicville.

Six soldiers carried Naqvi's coffin into the mosque this afternoon as mourners filed in.

Following Muslim tradition, the soldiers all removed their shoes before carrying Naqvi's casket into the al-Fatima Islamic Center.

Once the casket was placed inside the mosque, Naqvi's brother, Hassan, 18, cried and kneeled before the coffin. The University at Albany pre-med student held his brother's military identification tags in his hands.

"He was so full of energy, so happy. I have not seen people so happy, laughing all the time," family friend and mosque President Imdad Imam said, describing Naqvi and his wife, Raazia, at their wedding three months ago.

Naqvi was deployed the next day. His funeral is being held at the same mosque where he was married.

Naqvi graduated from Newburgh Free Academy and was a prominent member of the Mid-Hudson Islamic Association. His death comes during a spike in violence in Afghanistan, where the U.S. has sustained 122 deaths in 2008, more than any year since the U.S. first invaded in 2001.

Naqvi was buried in Evergreen Memorial Park in Colonie.

Mourners picked up the coffin from the back of the hearse and carried it 50 yards to the grave. Following Muslim custom, they sat it down three times and passed it along the line of men.

Women sobbed as the soldier was carried to them. Soldiers fired a 21-gun salute and handed a folded American flag to Naqvi's widow.

Men reached inside the coffin to clutch the shrouded body and pray.

Family members grabbed handfuls of dirt to throw on the coffin and mourners picked up shovels to scoop up the earth.

They clutched each other as the grave was covered.

Last edited by Ilocano (2009-04-06 15:19:35)

lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

In my defense, you responded to my CORRECTLY and FACTUALLY calling Muhammad a child molester and a murderer. Are you going to dispute that or just rant on about evolution?

Get back with my about Jesus whenever you find that he was a murderer or a child molester. I doubt blaming him for his mother child molestation will hold up in court.
I don't care a fucking toss in hell what went by as socially acceptable 1400 years ago, not a single jot. When did Jesus start banging Mary Magdalene? Was she legal? I don't fucking care! And neither should you! Wow this is pointless.

FYI The legal age of consent, for what it's worth, in devoutly Catholic Spain & The Philippines is 13 and the death penalty and war is legal under a variety of circumstances in modern western nations.
Muhaamad "married" a 6 year old girl Cam, and also murdered ( by beheading of course) over 600 people alone. These are the fact about Islams messenger of God. I really don't care either, but stop trying to defend following this child molester and murderer as a relgion of peace love and tolerance.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6566|what

lowing wrote:

Muhaamad "married" a 6 year old girl Cam, and also murdered ( by beheading of course) over 600 people alone. These are the fact about Islams messenger of God. I really don't care either, but stop trying to defend following this child molester and murderer as a relgion of peace love and tolerance.
Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?



                 Killings

God           2,301,417

Satan         10



No contest.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7064|USA

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Muhaamad "married" a 6 year old girl Cam, and also murdered ( by beheading of course) over 600 people alone. These are the fact about Islams messenger of God. I really don't care either, but stop trying to defend following this child molester and murderer as a relgion of peace love and tolerance.
Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?



                 Killings

God           2,301,417

Satan         10



No contest.
How about the golden rule? See? No need to blindly follow anyone, and best of all, it would work
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6596|Ireland

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Muhaamad "married" a 6 year old girl Cam, and also murdered ( by beheading of course) over 600 people alone. These are the fact about Islams messenger of God. I really don't care either, but stop trying to defend following this child molester and murderer as a relgion of peace love and tolerance.
Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?



                 Killings

God           2,301,417

Satan         10



No contest.
I like how liberals always try to point out something else bad to defend their beliefs.  Islam = Good  because God = Bad. 

Now I know what Forrest Gump's mother was talking about when she said " stupid is, stupid does "
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6566|what

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

lowing wrote:

Muhaamad "married" a 6 year old girl Cam, and also murdered ( by beheading of course) over 600 people alone. These are the fact about Islams messenger of God. I really don't care either, but stop trying to defend following this child molester and murderer as a relgion of peace love and tolerance.
Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?



                 Killings

God           2,301,417

Satan         10



No contest.
I like how liberals always try to point out something else bad to defend their beliefs.  Islam = Good  because God = Bad. 

Now I know what Forrest Gump's mother was talking about when she said " stupid is, stupid does "
Muhaamad was a monster, he killed zomg 600 people.

Yet, the Christian God kills millions and is not to be condemned in the slightest for this...

Yeah, makes perfect sense.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6596|Ireland

AussieReaper wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?



                 Killings

God           2,301,417

Satan         10



No contest.
I like how liberals always try to point out something else bad to defend their beliefs.  Islam = Good  because God = Bad. 

Now I know what Forrest Gump's mother was talking about when she said " stupid is, stupid does "
Muhaamad was a monster, he killed zomg 600 people.

Yet, the Christian God kills millions and is not to be condemned in the slightest for this...

Yeah, makes perfect sense.
So it is OK to kill 600 people?  It is OK to fly planes into buildings?  wtf, is your point.  Lowing said Islams profit is a Murderer and Child molester.  Your post has WHAT to do with this? 

stupid is, stupid does
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6566|what

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I like how liberals always try to point out something else bad to defend their beliefs.  Islam = Good  because God = Bad. 

Now I know what Forrest Gump's mother was talking about when she said " stupid is, stupid does "
Muhaamad was a monster, he killed zomg 600 people.

Yet, the Christian God kills millions and is not to be condemned in the slightest for this...

Yeah, makes perfect sense.
So it is OK to kill 600 people?  It is OK to fly planes into buildings?  wtf, is your point.  Lowing said Islams profit is a Murderer and Child molester.  Your post has WHAT to do with this? 

stupid is, stupid does
See had you actually read my post the first time you'd see I asked who we should follow, considering the opposing religion didn't offer much better. Read, then comment.
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Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6596|Ireland

AussieReaper wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Muhaamad was a monster, he killed zomg 600 people.

Yet, the Christian God kills millions and is not to be condemned in the slightest for this...

Yeah, makes perfect sense.
So it is OK to kill 600 people?  It is OK to fly planes into buildings?  wtf, is your point.  Lowing said Islams profit is a Murderer and Child molester.  Your post has WHAT to do with this? 

stupid is, stupid does
See had you actually read my post the first time you'd see I asked who we should follow, considering the opposing religion didn't offer much better. Read, then comment.
Who says you have to follow anything and wtf does that have to do with the argument that was at hand?  Are you saying two wrongs make a right?  If you aren't Muslim you have to be Christian vs Hindu, Buddest, Atheist, Not giving a shit?  What the hell is wrong with you and why must you try to create a totally separate agruement that has not a fucking thing to do with what Lowing was talking about?

Oh yeah, because what he was saying made sense and you can't accept that.  Like roaches in light so are liberals when confronted with the truth.

Last edited by Lotta_Drool (2009-04-07 19:10:35)

AussieReaper
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+5,761|6566|what

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Who says you have to follow anything and wtf does that have to do with the argument that was at hand?  Are you saying two wrongs make a right?  If you aren't Muslim you have to be Christian vs Hindu, Buddest, Atheist, Not giving a shit?  What the hell is wrong with you and why must you try to create a totally separate agruement that has not a fucking thing to do with what Lowing was talking about?

Oh yeah, because what he was saying made sense and you can't accept that.  Like roaches in light so are liberals when confronted with the truth.
Wow you've really gone off on a tangent haven't you?

The argument at hand was lowing yet again bashing Islam, Muhaamad in particular, for murdering the incredible number of 600 people.

Why, I ask, have we never seen him bash the Christian God, who even the Bible has is a jealous murdering bastard when pissed off.

I dunno, maybe bashing Islam is fine by you, so long as nobody points out the double standards.

How does what he has said make sense, Munhaamad is evil, he married a 6 year old, whinge whinge whinge. I dare compare one religion to another and suddenly that isn't fair?

So as I originally asked, before you went off like a rabid Republican, "Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?"

Because as far as I see it, Munhaamad is no worse than the Christian God, who is genocidal.

Last edited by AussieReaper (2009-04-07 19:50:24)

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Lotta_Drool
Spit
+350|6596|Ireland

AussieReaper wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Who says you have to follow anything and wtf does that have to do with the argument that was at hand?  Are you saying two wrongs make a right?  If you aren't Muslim you have to be Christian vs Hindu, Buddest, Atheist, Not giving a shit?  What the hell is wrong with you and why must you try to create a totally separate agruement that has not a fucking thing to do with what Lowing was talking about?

Oh yeah, because what he was saying made sense and you can't accept that.  Like roaches in light so are liberals when confronted with the truth.
Wow you've really gone off on a tangent haven't you?

The argument at hand was lowing yet again bashing Islam, Muhaamad in particular, for murdering the incredible number of 600 people.

Why, I ask, have we never seen him bash the Christian God, who even the Bible has is a jealous murdering bastard when pissed off.

I dunno, maybe bashing Islam is fine by you, so long as nobody points out the double standards.

How does what he has said make sense, Munhaamad is evil, he married a 6 year old, whinge whinge whinge. I dare compare one religion to another and suddenly that isn't fair?

So as I originally asked, before you went off like a rabid Republican, "Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?"

Because as far as I see it, Munhaamad is no worse than the Christian God, who is genocidal.
#1 People are killing people in the name of Mohammads teachings daily so I would suggest not following Islam.

#2  God doesn't exist and thus never could have killed a single person.

#3  Christ never killed, raped, or told anyone else too.  Thus why Christians aren't running around stoning girls to death for being raped or throwing acid on them for going to school.

#4  It is different for a bible to say if you do this then god will kill you than to say go forth and convert people to believe in me and if they don't treat them as animals, if they resist kill them.

#5  The fact that you haven't figured any of this out yet shows your lack of ability to reason which is why you are a liberal.  I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
+510|6163|شمال

Lotta_Drool wrote:

I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
lol.. you have logical thinking? You know math?
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6566|what

Lotta_Drool wrote:

#1 People are killing people in the name of Mohammads teachings daily so I would suggest not following Islam.

#2  God doesn't exist and thus never could have killed a single person.

#3  Christ never killed, raped, or told anyone else too.  Thus why Christians aren't running around stoning girls to death for being raped or throwing acid on them for going to school.

#4  It is different for a bible to say if you do this then god will kill you than to say go forth and convert people to believe in me and if they don't treat them as animals, if they resist kill them.

#5  The fact that you haven't figured any of this out yet shows your lack of ability to reason which is why you are a liberal.  I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
#1 People are doing bad stuff in the name of Christ, and have been since the birth of Christianity.

#2 Tell that to a Christian. And if God doesn't exist, maybe it was really the Christians who killed in his name, rather than God "himself"

#3 Christ might not have, but daddy sure did. Oh wait, you dispute the existence of God. Yet, Jesus is a perfectly moral, fine and upstanding character. Tell me exactly how you can have a Christ figure with no God?

#4 Religions like Christianity are abusive insofar as they encourage people to feel inadequate, worthless, dependent, and deserving of harsh punishment. Such religions are abusive insofar as they teach people to accept the existence of a god which, if human, would have long ago been locked away in prison for all his immoral and violent behavior. And let's not forget, the Christian God is a jealous one. I think there is a message here you might have missed.

#5 The fact you think criticism of one faith is perfectly acceptable, yet criticism of Christianity somehow crosses the line is proof enough you are a deluded fanatic who really has been suckered in. To only question that which is different and never look at yourself truly is shameful.

Oh and you suggest math classes to help in my logical thinking? I've taken courses such as Discrete and Finite Mathematics at University, logic was one of the major topics for both. Guess what, I passed them easily.
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Braddock
Agitator
+916|6703|Éire
If Lotta_Droll hates religion and the ignorance it breeds so much why then does he have such a bee in his bonnet over Islam when his country is more at risk of sliding into right-wing, evangelical, Christian extremism? You can cry and moan about Islam all you want Lotta but the fact is there is about as much chance of the United States becoming an Islamic country as there is of it becoming a Communist country. There is however a very real battle in certain parts of the US to have creationism taught in schools, to have the word of the bible interpreted literally and to have this religious dogma encroach on Governmental policy.

If I hated religion as much as you claim I'd be more up in arms at this prospect.
rammunition
Fully Loaded
+143|6274

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

Who says you have to follow anything and wtf does that have to do with the argument that was at hand?  Are you saying two wrongs make a right?  If you aren't Muslim you have to be Christian vs Hindu, Buddest, Atheist, Not giving a shit?  What the hell is wrong with you and why must you try to create a totally separate agruement that has not a fucking thing to do with what Lowing was talking about?

Oh yeah, because what he was saying made sense and you can't accept that.  Like roaches in light so are liberals when confronted with the truth.
Wow you've really gone off on a tangent haven't you?

The argument at hand was lowing yet again bashing Islam, Muhaamad in particular, for murdering the incredible number of 600 people.

Why, I ask, have we never seen him bash the Christian God, who even the Bible has is a jealous murdering bastard when pissed off.

I dunno, maybe bashing Islam is fine by you, so long as nobody points out the double standards.

How does what he has said make sense, Munhaamad is evil, he married a 6 year old, whinge whinge whinge. I dare compare one religion to another and suddenly that isn't fair?

So as I originally asked, before you went off like a rabid Republican, "Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?"

Because as far as I see it, Munhaamad is no worse than the Christian God, who is genocidal.
#1 People are killing people in the name of Mohammads teachings daily so I would suggest not following Islam.

#2  God doesn't exist and thus never could have killed a single person.

#3  Christ never killed, raped, or told anyone else too.  Thus why Christians aren't running around stoning girls to death for being raped or throwing acid on them for going to school.

#4  It is different for a bible to say if you do this then god will kill you than to say go forth and convert people to believe in me and if they don't treat them as animals, if they resist kill them.

#5  The fact that you haven't figured any of this out yet shows your lack of ability to reason which is why you are a liberal.  I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
christ may have not killed but MOSES DID.

Christians are bloody blind hypocrites
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7088|Canberra, AUS

rammunition wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Wow you've really gone off on a tangent haven't you?

The argument at hand was lowing yet again bashing Islam, Muhaamad in particular, for murdering the incredible number of 600 people.

Why, I ask, have we never seen him bash the Christian God, who even the Bible has is a jealous murdering bastard when pissed off.

I dunno, maybe bashing Islam is fine by you, so long as nobody points out the double standards.

How does what he has said make sense, Munhaamad is evil, he married a 6 year old, whinge whinge whinge. I dare compare one religion to another and suddenly that isn't fair?

So as I originally asked, before you went off like a rabid Republican, "Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?"

Because as far as I see it, Munhaamad is no worse than the Christian God, who is genocidal.
#1 People are killing people in the name of Mohammads teachings daily so I would suggest not following Islam.

#2  God doesn't exist and thus never could have killed a single person.

#3  Christ never killed, raped, or told anyone else too.  Thus why Christians aren't running around stoning girls to death for being raped or throwing acid on them for going to school.

#4  It is different for a bible to say if you do this then god will kill you than to say go forth and convert people to believe in me and if they don't treat them as animals, if they resist kill them.

#5  The fact that you haven't figured any of this out yet shows your lack of ability to reason which is why you are a liberal.  I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
christ may have not killed but MOSES DID.

Christians are bloody blind hypocrites
Wow, epic fail. MOSES =/= JESUS...

Christians follow JESUS, by and large, as well as Moses. Jews follow MOSES, by and large. Muslims follow MUHAMMAD by and large, as well as Jesus and Moses etc.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
lowing
Banned
+1,662|7064|USA

AussieReaper wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

#1 People are killing people in the name of Mohammads teachings daily so I would suggest not following Islam.

#2  God doesn't exist and thus never could have killed a single person.

#3  Christ never killed, raped, or told anyone else too.  Thus why Christians aren't running around stoning girls to death for being raped or throwing acid on them for going to school.

#4  It is different for a bible to say if you do this then god will kill you than to say go forth and convert people to believe in me and if they don't treat them as animals, if they resist kill them.

#5  The fact that you haven't figured any of this out yet shows your lack of ability to reason which is why you are a liberal.  I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
#1 People are doing bad stuff in the name of Christ, and have been since the birth of Christianity.

#2 Tell that to a Christian. And if God doesn't exist, maybe it was really the Christians who killed in his name, rather than God "himself"

#3 Christ might not have, but daddy sure did. Oh wait, you dispute the existence of God. Yet, Jesus is a perfectly moral, fine and upstanding character. Tell me exactly how you can have a Christ figure with no God?

#4 Religions like Christianity are abusive insofar as they encourage people to feel inadequate, worthless, dependent, and deserving of harsh punishment. Such religions are abusive insofar as they teach people to accept the existence of a god which, if human, would have long ago been locked away in prison for all his immoral and violent behavior. And let's not forget, the Christian God is a jealous one. I think there is a message here you might have missed.

#5 The fact you think criticism of one faith is perfectly acceptable, yet criticism of Christianity somehow crosses the line is proof enough you are a deluded fanatic who really has been suckered in. To only question that which is different and never look at yourself truly is shameful.

Oh and you suggest math classes to help in my logical thinking? I've taken courses such as Discrete and Finite Mathematics at University, logic was one of the major topics for both. Guess what, I passed them easily.
1.. True, no denying that

2.. This is also a safe assumption

3.. You are straying now, comparing "messengers of God, bottomline, Muhammad was a violent murdering child molester, Jesus was a man of tolerance ,peace and acceptance. The existing of God, not withstanding.

4.. Again, we are comparing "messengers of God", mortals, we are not comparing Gods themselves. In the real world what Muhammad did and Jesus did, how they lived their lives, and how their lives are celebrated, and or worshipped, is what is questioned.

5.. I think both faiths are bullshit, it just so happens ISLAM is a threat to the west with all of their bullshit. Get back wiuth me when Christians fly airplanes into buildings or target commuter trains, and subways and resorts, or strap bombs to children in the name of Jesus.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5988|The Wild West

rammunition wrote:

Lotta_Drool wrote:

AussieReaper wrote:


Wow you've really gone off on a tangent haven't you?

The argument at hand was lowing yet again bashing Islam, Muhaamad in particular, for murdering the incredible number of 600 people.

Why, I ask, have we never seen him bash the Christian God, who even the Bible has is a jealous murdering bastard when pissed off.

I dunno, maybe bashing Islam is fine by you, so long as nobody points out the double standards.

How does what he has said make sense, Munhaamad is evil, he married a 6 year old, whinge whinge whinge. I dare compare one religion to another and suddenly that isn't fair?

So as I originally asked, before you went off like a rabid Republican, "Who then, oh enlightened one, shall we follow?"

Because as far as I see it, Munhaamad is no worse than the Christian God, who is genocidal.
#1 People are killing people in the name of Mohammads teachings daily so I would suggest not following Islam.

#2  God doesn't exist and thus never could have killed a single person.

#3  Christ never killed, raped, or told anyone else too.  Thus why Christians aren't running around stoning girls to death for being raped or throwing acid on them for going to school.

#4  It is different for a bible to say if you do this then god will kill you than to say go forth and convert people to believe in me and if they don't treat them as animals, if they resist kill them.

#5  The fact that you haven't figured any of this out yet shows your lack of ability to reason which is why you are a liberal.  I suggest taking a lot of math classes to help develop logical thinking.
christ may have not killed but MOSES DID.

Christians are bloody blind hypocrites
lol. all these religious  believe in "the prophets"

you fail.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6636|Escea

Just me or does Moses sound like he was the only one with superpowers? I mean he made a sea split open.












Apparently.
Man With No Name
جندي
+148|5988|The Wild West
jesus walked on water.
Poseidon
Fudgepack DeQueef
+3,253|6951|Long Island, New York

Man With No Name wrote:

jesus walked on water.
So did Criss Angel.

I think it's pretty safe to say the majority of people who bash Islam and claim what a bad person Muhammad was have never read the Koran. You'd figure in order to bash him you'd have to have a backround of knowledge on him and his disciples from first hand reading, right? I guess quotes taken out of context is the form of enlightenment.
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6636|Escea

Man With No Name wrote:

jesus walked on water.
He played polo on it as well.

https://img522.imageshack.us/img522/5237/jesuswaterpolo1il8.jpg
Flecco
iPod is broken.
+1,048|7078|NT, like Mick Dundee

Man With No Name wrote:

jesus walked on water.
Parting the sea and doing trippy ass magic shit with your staff > walking on water.


Though turning water into wine... now THAT is useful.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
AussieReaper
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+5,761|6566|what

Flecco wrote:

Though turning water into wine... now THAT is useful.
No, Moses tried that once...

The water turned into blood, granted, but it was his first attempt.
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Braddock
Agitator
+916|6703|Éire

lowing wrote:

1.. True, no denying that

2.. This is also a safe assumption

3.. You are straying now, comparing "messengers of God, bottomline, Muhammad was a violent murdering child molester, Jesus was a man of tolerance ,peace and acceptance. The existing of God, not withstanding.

4.. Again, we are comparing "messengers of God", mortals, we are not comparing Gods themselves. In the real world what Muhammad did and Jesus did, how they lived their lives, and how their lives are celebrated, and or worshipped, is what is questioned.

5.. I think both faiths are bullshit, it just so happens ISLAM is a threat to the west with all of their bullshit. Get back wiuth me when Christians fly airplanes into buildings or target commuter trains, and subways and resorts, or strap bombs to children in the name of Jesus.
Firstly I'll state that on the issue of Jesus we are in agreement, I believe Jesus probably existed and was most likely a great guy (regardless of who his father may or may not have been) and Christians who live their lives according to the example set by J.C. are of no threat to anyone.

However, you seem to complain an awful lot about Islam because of the violent history of the faith and the violent interpretation of the texts and because of how these texts are being used as validation for terrible attacks on the rest of the world... with that in mind why do you not complain so vocally about Judaism? Jews don't follow the teachings of Christ, they pay more heed to the old testament and all of the blood and gore that was included in that lovely little book. Furthermore, they have used this ancient text to justify theft of land and subjugation of the Palestinians. You could take the argument further and assert that it is the US's support of the Israeli state that has turned this Islamic aggression towards the West. The Israelis are happy because they are currently being facilitated by the West but if you look at history you'll see they were just as happy to kill Westerners in order to get what they wanted in the name of their faith.

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