did moses not kill? is the christian GOD a paedophile because he got mary pregnant at 9-16?lowing wrote:
Sure, we can talk about the evils conducted in any religion you want. THe difference is, the evils of Christianity were not taught by Christ nor were they performed by him. Christians have warped Christianity to their favor, they follow what they want to follow not the teachings of Christ. Therefore they are not true ChristiansAussieReaper wrote:
Didn't say that? The analogy was made pretty clear.lowing wrote:
Nope never said that, a rabid dog is crazy and does not know what he is doing, he is completely out of character.
Islam knows exactly what it is doing and is in complete character based on the teachings of the child molester/murderer Muhammad.
Feel free to address what I posted by the way. Disagree with it even, if you can honestly.
I could address your posts but the way you constantly state the "evils" of Muhammad without ever addressing the "evils" of any other religion is proof enough you aren't willing to discuss, only argue.
Should we start with the Israel are the defenders part first? Because they arrived after Palestinians...
Care to look at the border changes over the last 60 years? Now tell me who is losing land.
"Muslims" have a child molester and a murderer as their messenger of God. His teachings are of violence and hatred, this backs up his actions as well. Those who follow his teachings are following the teachings of Islam. Those who are not following the teaching of their child molester/ murderer prophet are not following Islam.
By the way since we are wanting to talk about other religions, what other major religions offer up a child molester, or a murderer, astheir savior or messenger of God?
Ah, forget those who killed in the name of Christ, they were never Christians? Well, they only did that for centuries. I mean, if only you had been there to show them the light...lowing wrote:
"Muslims" have a child molester and a murderer as their messenger of God. His teachings are of violence and hatred, this backs up his actions as well. Those who follow his teachings are following the teachings of Islam. Those who are not following the teaching of their child molester/ murderer prophet are not following Islam.
Yeah, I mean when comparing the Messengers of God... Wait, Islam sees Jesus as a messenger of God. Did you not know?lowing wrote:
By the way since we are wanting to talk about other religions, what other major religions offer up a child molester, or a murderer, astheir savior or messenger of God?
Well, guess we'll have to compare something other than messenger, hey, why not God?
Let's see, the Christian God is a germicidal, jealous and violent God.
Would you like to compare Allah to the Christian God and see where that leads?
The most commonly used names for god in Islam are:
* The Most Gracious
* The Most Merciful
* The Ever Forgiving
* The Ever Providing
* The Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds
* The Self Subsisting (upon whom all creatures depend for sustenance)
* The Eternal Lord (who never dies)
* The Supremely Wise
* The Guardian of faith
* The sustainer
* The All-hearing
* The constrictor
* The Greatest
* The Responsive
What an evil guy...
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This Indonesia?AussieReaper wrote:
Have the extremists "taken over" Indonesia?
I only ask because it has the largest population of practising Islamic citizens.
October 12 2002:
Bomb attacks targeting foreign tourists in Bali nightclubs kill 202 people, injuring many more.
December 5 2002:
Three people are killed at a McDonald's in eastern Indonesia.
February 3 2003:
A bomb damages part of Indonesia 's national police headquarters complex in Jakarta, smashing cars and windows. There are no reported casualties.
April 24 2003:
A small pipe bomb goes off outside the main UN building in downtown Jakarta. No one is injured.
April 27 2003:
A bomb explodes near a fast food outlet at Jakarta's main airport, injuring eleven people.
July 14 2003:
A bomb rocks Indonesia's parliament just days after police captured nine suspected Islamist militants, seizing explosives capable of making a bomb ten times more powerful than those used in the Bali attack. No one is injured.
August 5 2003:
Ten people are killed and scores injured when a bomb rips through a hotel in Jakarta's foreign embassy and business district.
No religion is mentioned here, but if you are willing to bet, I will take Islam related terrorists and you can have any other group you can think of.
How much are you willing to bet?
also lowing, why do Christian PRIESTS molest children?
this has not happened one, it has happened THOUSANDS of times. a new case is exposed in the U.K every week or 2. in the U.S there was a church which molested over 500 kids.
why do these priests molest in the name of Christ?
this has not happened one, it has happened THOUSANDS of times. a new case is exposed in the U.K every week or 2. in the U.S there was a church which molested over 500 kids.
why do these priests molest in the name of Christ?
You said taken over, lowing. Muslim terrorists have killed more people in America than Indonesia. Have the Muslims taken over America?lowing wrote:
No religion is mentioned here, but if you are willing to bet, I will take Islam related terrorists and you can have any other group you can think of.
How much are you willing to bet?
1. How can you call yourself a Christian if you do not follow the teachings of Christ? How can you call yourself a Muslim if you do not follow the teachings of Muhammad?AussieReaper wrote:
Ah, forget those who killed in the name of Christ, they were never Christians? Well, they only did that for centuries. I mean, if only you had been there to show them the light...lowing wrote:
"Muslims" have a child molester and a murderer as their messenger of God. His teachings are of violence and hatred, this backs up his actions as well. Those who follow his teachings are following the teachings of Islam. Those who are not following the teaching of their child molester/ murderer prophet are not following Islam.Yeah, I mean when comparing the Messengers of God... Wait, Islam sees Jesus as a messenger of God. Did you not know?lowing wrote:
By the way since we are wanting to talk about other religions, what other major religions offer up a child molester, or a murderer, astheir savior or messenger of God?
Well, guess we'll have to compare something other than messenger, hey, why not God?
Let's see, the Christian God is a germicidal, jealous and violent God.
Would you like to compare Allah to the Christian God and see where that leads?
The most commonly used names for god in Islam are:
* The Most Gracious
* The Most Merciful
* The Ever Forgiving
* The Ever Providing
* The Lord and Cherisher of the Worlds
* The Self Subsisting (upon whom all creatures depend for sustenance)
* The Eternal Lord (who never dies)
* The Supremely Wise
* The Guardian of faith
* The sustainer
* The All-hearing
* The constrictor
* The Greatest
* The Responsive
What an evil guy...
2. Allah and God, are the same being this is recognized. THe teaching from the various messengers of God are the basis of their religions. Besides I would just as soon compare REAL people and their REAL actions, not the mythology of Gods.
3. yes I get that, "Allah Ackbar" is also very popular, you hear mostly just before something or someone gets blown the fuck up
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You are correct, there is no excuse for this criminal behavior, but again child molestation is hardly the TEACHING of Christ. Therefore it is not a Christian act but a criminal act.rammunition wrote:
also lowing, why do Christian PRIESTS molest children?
this has not happened one, it has happened THOUSANDS of times. a new case is exposed in the U.K every week or 2. in the U.S there was a church which molested over 500 kids.
why do these priests molest in the name of Christ?
Nope, they haven't. Would Islam love to impliment shariah law in the US?AussieReaper wrote:
You said taken over, lowing. Muslim terrorists have killed more people in America than Indonesia. Have the Muslims taken over America?lowing wrote:
No religion is mentioned here, but if you are willing to bet, I will take Islam related terrorists and you can have any other group you can think of.
How much are you willing to bet?
Also from my post, I assume you do not wanna bet ?
Last edited by lowing (2009-04-12 06:24:47)
if it was one priest, you can call it a criminal act but THOUSANDS. it must be something to do with the teaching of christ.lowing wrote:
You are correct, there is no excuse for this criminal behavior, but again child molestation is hardly the TEACHING of Christ. Therefore it is not a Christian act but a criminal act.rammunition wrote:
also lowing, why do Christian PRIESTS molest children?
this has not happened one, it has happened THOUSANDS of times. a new case is exposed in the U.K every week or 2. in the U.S there was a church which molested over 500 kids.
why do these priests molest in the name of Christ?
why don't you and your fellow Christians go out on the streets to protest against this vile act?
i have not heard one Christian condemn the acts
Don't have to, if you think child molestation is the teaching of Christ, quote him supporting it.rammunition wrote:
if it was one priest, you can call it a criminal act but THOUSANDS. it must be something to do with the teaching of christ.lowing wrote:
You are correct, there is no excuse for this criminal behavior, but again child molestation is hardly the TEACHING of Christ. Therefore it is not a Christian act but a criminal act.rammunition wrote:
also lowing, why do Christian PRIESTS molest children?
this has not happened one, it has happened THOUSANDS of times. a new case is exposed in the U.K every week or 2. in the U.S there was a church which molested over 500 kids.
why do these priests molest in the name of Christ?
why don't you and your fellow Christians go out on the streets to protest against this vile act?
i have not heard one Christian condemn the acts
Now ask me if I can quote the Quran in an effort to support the acts of the Islamic terrorism.
Would the west love to bring "Democracy" to the East ... oh wait. That's what they are doing. Who do you think is having the most success?lowing wrote:
Nope, they haven't. Would Islam love to impliment shariah law in the US?AussieReaper wrote:
You said taken over, lowing. Muslim terrorists have killed more people in America than Indonesia. Have the Muslims taken over America?lowing wrote:
No religion is mentioned here, but if you are willing to bet, I will take Islam related terrorists and you can have any other group you can think of.
How much are you willing to bet?
Also from my post, I assume you do not wanna bet ?
Wanna bet if the terrorist acts were condemned?
america wants to bomb a country who disagree with them, overturn the regime and put their own "democracy" on that nation.AussieReaper wrote:
Would the west love to bring "Democracy" to the East ... oh wait. That's what they are doing. Who do you think is having the most success?lowing wrote:
Nope, they haven't. Would Islam love to impliment shariah law in the US?AussieReaper wrote:
You said taken over, lowing. Muslim terrorists have killed more people in America than Indonesia. Have the Muslims taken over America?
Also from my post, I assume you do not wanna bet ?
Wanna bet if the terrorist acts were condemned?
quite similar to al qaeda's goal on sharia if you ask me
if one is wrong, so is the other
you refusing to condem the acts means you support them?lowing wrote:
Don't have to, if you think child molestation is the teaching of Christ, quote him supporting it.rammunition wrote:
if it was one priest, you can call it a criminal act but THOUSANDS. it must be something to do with the teaching of christ.lowing wrote:
You are correct, there is no excuse for this criminal behavior, but again child molestation is hardly the TEACHING of Christ. Therefore it is not a Christian act but a criminal act.
why don't you and your fellow Christians go out on the streets to protest against this vile act?
i have not heard one Christian condemn the acts
Now ask me if I can quote the Quran in an effort to support the acts of the Islamic terrorism.
i can quote the bible
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The west is offering a seconf option to the govt operated by people like Saddam. We are not blowing up children or other innocent people in an effort to shove freedom doen their throats, and we are certainly not doing it in the name of God.AussieReaper wrote:
Would the west love to bring "Democracy" to the East ... oh wait. That's what they are doing. Who do you think is having the most success?lowing wrote:
Nope, they haven't. Would Islam love to impliment shariah law in the US?AussieReaper wrote:
You said taken over, lowing. Muslim terrorists have killed more people in America than Indonesia. Have the Muslims taken over America?
Also from my post, I assume you do not wanna bet ?
Wanna bet if the terrorist acts were condemned?
I guess you are not willing to let me have Islam related terror acts in our bet. You are a smart guy for not taking that bet, but I think you know that.
Condemn terror acts? That is a good one, hell Yasser Arafat condemned terrorism
Actually when these priests are discovered they are arrested and thrown in jail. Their "flock" turning their backs on them. Again they do not represent the teachings of Christ. Therefore are not Christian acts.rammunition wrote:
you refusing to condem the acts means you support them?lowing wrote:
Don't have to, if you think child molestation is the teaching of Christ, quote him supporting it.rammunition wrote:
if it was one priest, you can call it a criminal act but THOUSANDS. it must be something to do with the teaching of Christ.
why don't you and your fellow Christians go out on the streets to protest against this vile act?
i have not heard one Christian condemn the acts
Now ask me if I can quote the Quran in an effort to support the acts of the Islamic terrorism.
i can quote the bible
We are talking about CHRISTIANS, the followers of the teachings of CHRIST. You need to quote CHRIST to stay relevant to this discussion.
did you watch that show, which the christian camp in america where preaching to children to die for christianity i.e. go kill muslims and die like a martyr?lowing wrote:
The west is offering a seconf option to the govt operated by people like Saddam. We are not blowing up children or other innocent people in an effort to shove freedom doen their throats, and we are certainly not doing it in the name of God.AussieReaper wrote:
Would the west love to bring "Democracy" to the East ... oh wait. That's what they are doing. Who do you think is having the most success?lowing wrote:
Nope, they haven't. Would Islam love to impliment shariah law in the US?
Also from my post, I assume you do not wanna bet ?
Wanna bet if the terrorist acts were condemned?
I guess you are not willing to let me have Islam related terror acts in our bet. You are a smart guy for not taking that bet, but I think you know that.
Condemn terror acts? That is a good one, hell Yasser Arafat condemned terrorism
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nope I missed that. It is still irrelevant. Their actions are not the TEACHINGS of CHRIST. Therefore is not CHRISTIAN behavior.rammunition wrote:
did you watch that show, which the christian camp in america where preaching to children to die for christianity i.e. go kill muslims and die like a martyr?lowing wrote:
The west is offering a seconf option to the govt operated by people like Saddam. We are not blowing up children or other innocent people in an effort to shove freedom doen their throats, and we are certainly not doing it in the name of God.AussieReaper wrote:
Would the west love to bring "Democracy" to the East ... oh wait. That's what they are doing. Who do you think is having the most success?
Wanna bet if the terrorist acts were condemned?
I guess you are not willing to let me have Islam related terror acts in our bet. You are a smart guy for not taking that bet, but I think you know that.
Condemn terror acts? That is a good one, hell Yasser Arafat condemned terrorism
Islams teachings are being followed by the extremists, Islam is not being followed by the "moderates"
Like it or not it is a direct comparaison between the 2 messengers of god, one teaches hate, violence, and intolerance while the other teaches peace, love and acceptance and forgiviness ..If you do not follow the teachings then you are not practicing the relgions
get your head out the sandlowing wrote:
nope I missed that. It is still irrelevant. Their actions are not the TEACHINGS of CHRIST. Therefore is not CHRISTIAN behavior.rammunition wrote:
did you watch that show, which the christian camp in america where preaching to children to die for christianity i.e. go kill muslims and die like a martyr?lowing wrote:
The west is offering a seconf option to the govt operated by people like Saddam. We are not blowing up children or other innocent people in an effort to shove freedom doen their throats, and we are certainly not doing it in the name of God.
I guess you are not willing to let me have Islam related terror acts in our bet. You are a smart guy for not taking that bet, but I think you know that.
Condemn terror acts? That is a good one, hell Yasser Arafat condemned terrorism
Islams teachings are being followed by the extremists, Islam is not being followed by the "moderates"
Like it or not it is a direct comparaison between the 2 messengers of god, one teaches hate, violence, and intolerance while the other teaches peace, love and acceptance and forgiviness ..If you do not follow the teachings then you are not practicing the relgions
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
you watch the vid?
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Not sure how many times I gotta say it, it is NOT the teachings of Christ! The teachings of CHRIST is who CHRISTians follow. This guy did not even get close to the New Testament. Ya know, where Christ enters the picture and starts his teachings.rammunition wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ger8Lk20Ec4
Christ did not molest childern Muhammad did, Christ did not commit murder, Muhammad did.
Christ does not condone violence in any way, Muhammad did. Surely you can see the difference.
I did, and it fails to discuss the teachings of Christ.rammunition wrote:
get your head out the sandlowing wrote:
nope I missed that. It is still irrelevant. Their actions are not the TEACHINGS of CHRIST. Therefore is not CHRISTIAN behavior.rammunition wrote:
did you watch that show, which the christian camp in america where preaching to children to die for christianity i.e. go kill muslims and die like a martyr?
Islams teachings are being followed by the extremists, Islam is not being followed by the "moderates"
Like it or not it is a direct comparaison between the 2 messengers of god, one teaches hate, violence, and intolerance while the other teaches peace, love and acceptance and forgiviness ..If you do not follow the teachings then you are not practicing the relgions
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
you watch the vid?
my god, its like talking to a brick walllowing wrote:
I did, and it fails to discuss the teachings of Christ.rammunition wrote:
get your head out the sandlowing wrote:
nope I missed that. It is still irrelevant. Their actions are not the TEACHINGS of CHRIST. Therefore is not CHRISTIAN behavior.
Islams teachings are being followed by the extremists, Islam is not being followed by the "moderates"
Like it or not it is a direct comparaison between the 2 messengers of god, one teaches hate, violence, and intolerance while the other teaches peace, love and acceptance and forgiviness ..If you do not follow the teachings then you are not practicing the relgions
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
you watch the vid?
Not really, I am comparing the 2 messengers of God, a direct apples to apples comparison. You can not or will not do this, and I think we both know the reason as to why.rammunition wrote:
my god, its like talking to a brick walllowing wrote:
I did, and it fails to discuss the teachings of Christ.rammunition wrote:
get your head out the sand
http://www.answering-christianity.com/age3.htm
you watch the vid?
Get back with me when you are ready to accept the comparisons between Muhammad ( the basis of Islam) and his mortal life with that of Jesus Christ ( the basis Christianity) and his mortal life.
Same for you Aussie, or anyone of you Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, love and acceptance, folks.
Same for you Aussie, or anyone of you Islam is a religion of peace, tolerance, love and acceptance, folks.
Last edited by lowing (2009-04-12 07:06:40)
That's a stupid argument, the Old Testament is key to the religion of Christianity whether you like it or not. If it was completely irrelevant like most Christians for some reason say it is, then it wouldn't have been in the Christian Bible from day 1. Just because the main dude wasn't in the book until halfway through doesn't mean that everything before that is non-canon/not real. You could argue that Christianity is more OT than NTlowing wrote:
Not sure how many times I gotta say it, it is NOT the teachings of Christ! The teachings of CHRIST is who CHRISTians follow. This guy did not even get close to the New Testament. Ya know, where Christ enters the picture and starts his teachings.rammunition wrote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ger8Lk20Ec4
Christ did not molest childern Muhammad did, Christ did not commit murder, Muhammad did.
Christ does not condone violence in any way, Muhammad did. Surely you can see the difference.
Religion is all about pick and choose anyway, and there's no such thing as being a true follower of a religion because all the texts have been skewed and changed throughout history to follow certain ethno political agendas. There's one thing for sure though, the crazy Christian right in the USA are about as far away from Jesus, and would probably belong more in the Muhammad camp.
Not going to deny that Muhammad was a bloodthirsty general who fought wars in the name of being persecuted, sending letters to Persian kings demanding they convert or face war and bullshit like that. Definitely not a religious leader, but a general who built an empire from the Arab tribes he was. He just created a religion as a medium for uniting the Arab tribes so he could get his empire