Of course it's a sub-genre, that's why I said it came under the wider umbrella of 'electronic' / 'electronica'.
And I'm doing something "again"? You're one of the most played out broken records on this Forum, go back to e-Policing your little self-important EE Chat threads and posting dozens of esoteric pictures that you find during your lifetime of browsing pointless websites, you social retard.
Aphex Twin, Digitalism and The Knife are far from 'electro'. And wtf is with the gay use of the 'K'? No one calls the genre 'eleKtro'. Are you a 'teKtoniK' kid by any chance? Poppin' and lockin'? Loool. Aphex Twin is experimental, IDM, braindance, ambient, abstract... never electro. Electro is Parisian-influenced (i.e. early Daft Punk, early Ed Banger, early MSTRKRFT) material with heavy use of granular and synthesized beats, rock sampling and lots of other party-time things. The Knife, AFX and Digitalism have none of that. They fall under the same wide umbrella of 'electronica', but it's like equating Moby with Skinny Puppy. Different. Sounds. Don't try and school me on it when you spell the genre like a faggot and have no real clue what each artist represents; only half of the artists that you mentioned above 'stand for' or play within the electro-school and venues, and the other half are all either directly related to or sound verisimilar to Daft Punk / MSTRKRFT anyway.
The Knife are about as electro as they get, you have no clue.
The only thing that makes the sound of 'The Knife' electro is the fact they use a microKorg synthesizer for their patches- which was the first characteristic I laid down about early-era 'electro' as it is known today, so nice one. If you wanted to be pedantic we could talk about the true first-wave of electro that was more closely related to hip-hop, but seeing as most of you bandwagon-hopping kids don't even know what the current Parisian electro scene is made of, I feel I'd be wasting my time. The vocal melodies and song-tempos of The Knife aren't electro at all... 'electro' in the modern application of the term describes club-banging stuff like SebastiAn, Justice, Boys Noize, Mr.Oizo etc. The Knife have little to no similarities to those acts except for the instruments they use... which I already pointed out in my very first post. So I think you "have no clue", I've been writing reviews and published music articles on electronic music as a wide-umbrella for almost a year now, I think I know what I'm talking about.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Of course it's a sub-genre, that's why I said it came under the wider umbrella of 'electronic' / 'electronica'.
But everything is sub-genres. Electronica is a sub-genre of the massive umbrella genre of dance music.
Don't know half the artists under discussion here, but NO WAY is Aphex Twin electro. I see it more as sort of acid techno meets drum n' bass. Electro influences, but still a long way from being electro.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
They're doing the film score for Tron 2.0. I don't know about anything else.
Bertster7 wrote:
Don't know half the artists under discussion here, but NO WAY is Aphex Twin electro. I see it more as sort of acid techno meets drum n' bass. Electro influences, but still a long way from being electro.
Pretty sure it was made clear that Aphex Twin isn't electro.
Aphex Twin, Digitalism and The Knife are far from 'electro'. And wtf is with the gay use of the 'K'? No one calls the genre 'eleKtro'. Are you a 'teKtoniK' kid by any chance? Poppin' and lockin'? Loool. Aphex Twin is experimental, IDM, braindance, ambient, abstract... never electro. Electro is Parisian-influenced (i.e. early Daft Punk, early Ed Banger, early MSTRKRFT) material with heavy use of granular and synthesized beats, rock sampling and lots of other party-time things. The Knife, AFX and Digitalism have none of that. They fall under the same wide umbrella of 'electronica', but it's like equating Moby with Skinny Puppy. Different. Sounds. Don't try and school me on it when you spell the genre like a faggot and have no real clue what each artist represents; only half of the artists that you mentioned above 'stand for' or play within the electro-school and venues, and the other half are all either directly related to or sound verisimilar to Daft Punk / MSTRKRFT anyway.
The Knife are about as electro as they get, you have no clue.
The only thing that makes the sound of 'The Knife' electro is the fact they use a microKorg synthesizer for their patches- which was the first characteristic I laid down about early-era 'electro' as it is known today, so nice one. If you wanted to be pedantic we could talk about the true first-wave of electro that was more closely related to hip-hop, but seeing as most of you bandwagon-hopping kids don't even know what the current Parisian electro scene is made of, I feel I'd be wasting my time. The vocal melodies and song-tempos of The Knife aren't electro at all... 'electro' in the modern application of the term describes club-banging stuff like SebastiAn, Justice, Boys Noize, Mr.Oizo etc. The Knife have little to no similarities to those acts except for the instruments they use... which I already pointed out in my very first post. So I think you "have no clue", I've been writing reviews and published music articles on electronic music as a wide-umbrella for almost a year now, I think I know what I'm talking about.
You must write some pretty bad reviews then.
I also lol'd when you said Oizo was modern 'electro', stop typing - you're embarrassing yourself.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Both guys have been doing solo electro/house stuff, none of it has been very good though. Seeing as their manager kinda took off with the Ed Banger thing, I suppose they settled happily into the role of being crown-endorsers of a newly developing 'scene', as it were. I really do hope they bring out some new stuff though, Da Funk style stuff would be awesome. Mind you I'm not sure how Daft Punk would regain total credibility and relevance after licensing out their stuff to wanky shite like Kanye West; they've practically became synonymous with a style of music and following that completely contradicts their early fanbase. A 'true' Daft Punk record wouldn't go down well thesedays when most Youtube 14 year olds expect another Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
Bert wrote:
But everything is sub-genres. Electronica is a sub-genre of the massive umbrella genre of dance music.
Wrong. Dance music is a sub-category under 'electronica' - electronica being the all-encompassing term that describes anything synthesized electronically or created using software, more generally. Dance music is a further defining of that term with specific 'trends' regarding tempo, style and artists.
Hakei wrote:
Mr.Oizo = old electro
Have you heard Lamb's Anger? All of his Ed Bang. stuff is the 'new wave' of electro sound. Even 'Flat Beat' and that era of stuff was still 'new' Parisian electro, your timeline and understanding of the genre of a whole is clearly undeveloped. This is 'first-wave' electro as I earlier referred to, with hip-hop influence:
I wasn't 'equating', I'm saying the sub-genre of electro hasn't moved on much since the early glimpses birthed by MSTRKRFT and their trusty sense of microKorg-synthesized dancebeats. Did you just put Digitalism, Aphex Twin and The Knife into the 'electro' category as well? What the fuck are you even talking about? Get bent.
1. eleKtro has moved on 2. yes, they are eleKtro
Aphex Twin, Digitalism and The Knife are far from 'electro'. And wtf is with the gay use of the 'K'? No one calls the genre 'eleKtro'. Are you a 'teKtoniK' kid by any chance? Poppin' and lockin'? Loool. Aphex Twin is experimental, IDM, braindance, ambient, abstract... never electro. Electro is Parisian-influenced (i.e. early Daft Punk, early Ed Banger, early MSTRKRFT) material with heavy use of granular and synthesized beats, rock sampling and lots of other party-time things. The Knife, AFX and Digitalism have none of that. They fall under the same wide umbrella of 'electronica', but it's like equating Moby with Skinny Puppy. Different. Sounds. Don't try and school me on it when you spell the genre like a faggot and have no real clue what each artist represents; only half of the artists that you mentioned above 'stand for' or play within the electro-school and venues, and the other half are all either directly related to or sound verisimilar to Daft Punk / MSTRKRFT anyway.
i forgot that your foreign language skills suck
the sub-genre is called elektro (german word, but not only german artists fall in this category)
and btw, don't try to show off your pseudo philosophy and literature-skills. you can't read hegel, kant, heidegger, goethe, musil, kafka etc. auf deutsch oder à la recherche du temps perdu, descartes, rousseau, sartre, camus etc. en francais, so you suck!
Don't know half the artists under discussion here, but NO WAY is Aphex Twin electro. I see it more as sort of acid techno meets drum n' bass. Electro influences, but still a long way from being electro.
Pretty sure it was made clear that Aphex Twin isn't electro.
Only Uzique has said so thus far. I was agreeing with him.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Both guys have been doing solo electro/house stuff, none of it has been very good though. Seeing as their manager kinda took off with the Ed Banger thing, I suppose they settled happily into the role of being crown-endorsers of a newly developing 'scene', as it were. I really do hope they bring out some new stuff though, Da Funk style stuff would be awesome. Mind you I'm not sure how Daft Punk would regain total credibility and relevance after licensing out their stuff to wanky shite like Kanye West; they've practically became synonymous with a style of music and following that completely contradicts their early fanbase. A 'true' Daft Punk record wouldn't go down well thesedays when most Youtube 14 year olds expect another Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
I would love to see another rollin and scratchin tbh and true why the did Kanye have to use HBFS for his fucking moronic song.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Both guys have been doing solo electro/house stuff, none of it has been very good though. Seeing as their manager kinda took off with the Ed Banger thing, I suppose they settled happily into the role of being crown-endorsers of a newly developing 'scene', as it were. I really do hope they bring out some new stuff though, Da Funk style stuff would be awesome. Mind you I'm not sure how Daft Punk would regain total credibility and relevance after licensing out their stuff to wanky shite like Kanye West; they've practically became synonymous with a style of music and following that completely contradicts their early fanbase. A 'true' Daft Punk record wouldn't go down well thesedays when most Youtube 14 year olds expect another Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
I would love to see another rollin and scratchin tbh and true why the did Kanye have to use HBFS for his fucking moronic song.
Why do you think?
He couldn't be fucked coming up with something himself.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Both guys have been doing solo electro/house stuff, none of it has been very good though. Seeing as their manager kinda took off with the Ed Banger thing, I suppose they settled happily into the role of being crown-endorsers of a newly developing 'scene', as it were. I really do hope they bring out some new stuff though, Da Funk style stuff would be awesome. Mind you I'm not sure how Daft Punk would regain total credibility and relevance after licensing out their stuff to wanky shite like Kanye West; they've practically became synonymous with a style of music and following that completely contradicts their early fanbase. A 'true' Daft Punk record wouldn't go down well thesedays when most Youtube 14 year olds expect another Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
I would love to see another rollin and scratchin tbh and true why the did Kanye have to use HBFS for his fucking moronic song.
Aphex Twin, Digitalism and The Knife are far from 'electro'. And wtf is with the gay use of the 'K'? No one calls the genre 'eleKtro'. Are you a 'teKtoniK' kid by any chance? Poppin' and lockin'? Loool. Aphex Twin is experimental, IDM, braindance, ambient, abstract... never electro. Electro is Parisian-influenced (i.e. early Daft Punk, early Ed Banger, early MSTRKRFT) material with heavy use of granular and synthesized beats, rock sampling and lots of other party-time things. The Knife, AFX and Digitalism have none of that. They fall under the same wide umbrella of 'electronica', but it's like equating Moby with Skinny Puppy. Different. Sounds. Don't try and school me on it when you spell the genre like a faggot and have no real clue what each artist represents; only half of the artists that you mentioned above 'stand for' or play within the electro-school and venues, and the other half are all either directly related to or sound verisimilar to Daft Punk / MSTRKRFT anyway.
i forgot that your foreign language skills suck
the sub-genre is called elektro (german word, but not only german artists fall in this category)
and btw, don't try to show off your pseudo philosophy and literature-skills. you can't read hegel, kant, heidegger, goethe, musil, kafka etc. auf deutsch oder à la recherche du temps perdu, descartes, rousseau, sartre, camus etc. en francais, so you suck!
What the fuck are you talking about now? I can read whatever I want, thanks very much, and understand it if given in translation. Because I can't read it in the mother tongue it means I can't fully comprehend it? I guess we all fucked up badly then with the European Enlightenment and the spread of Renaissance literature through multi-lingual nations...
As for the terming of the genre with the German name- why? Germany nowadays is a stronghold of minimal, techno and deep house- not electro.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Both guys have been doing solo electro/house stuff, none of it has been very good though. Seeing as their manager kinda took off with the Ed Banger thing, I suppose they settled happily into the role of being crown-endorsers of a newly developing 'scene', as it were. I really do hope they bring out some new stuff though, Da Funk style stuff would be awesome. Mind you I'm not sure how Daft Punk would regain total credibility and relevance after licensing out their stuff to wanky shite like Kanye West; they've practically became synonymous with a style of music and following that completely contradicts their early fanbase. A 'true' Daft Punk record wouldn't go down well thesedays when most Youtube 14 year olds expect another Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
Bert[/quote wrote:
But everything is sub-genres. Electronica is a sub-genre of the massive umbrella genre of dance music.
Wrong. Dance music is a sub-category under 'electronica' - electronica being the all-encompassing term that describes anything synthesized electronically or created using software, more generally. Dance music is a further defining of that term with specific 'trends' regarding tempo, style and artists.
Hakei wrote:
Mr.Oizo = old electro
Have you heard Lamb's Anger? All of his Ed Bang. stuff is the 'new wave' of electro sound. Even 'Flat Beat' and that era of stuff was still 'new' Parisian electro, your timeline and understanding of the genre of a whole is clearly undeveloped. This is 'first-wave' electro as I earlier referred to, with hip-hop influence:
Get schooled? I've been playing electro for the Cargo Club for about 6 months now; you can sit there and link youtube videos all you want, trying to teach someone who's actually been rubbing shoulders with some of the biggest electro names Australia has to offer.
You're the type of four eyed freak with a body length suede coat who orders a gin and tonic and sits in the corner gently tapping his table, writing your little reviews instead of living for the music and experiencing it.
But everything is sub-genres. Electronica is a sub-genre of the massive umbrella genre of dance music.
Wrong. Dance music is a sub-category under 'electronica' - electronica being the all-encompassing term that describes anything synthesized electronically or created using software, more generally. Dance music is a further defining of that term with specific 'trends' regarding tempo, style and artists.
Does any one know what happened to Daft Punk? Last time i've read that they were working on a new album like at the end of 2008, i've been waiting for it such a long time.
Both guys have been doing solo electro/house stuff, none of it has been very good though. Seeing as their manager kinda took off with the Ed Banger thing, I suppose they settled happily into the role of being crown-endorsers of a newly developing 'scene', as it were. I really do hope they bring out some new stuff though, Da Funk style stuff would be awesome. Mind you I'm not sure how Daft Punk would regain total credibility and relevance after licensing out their stuff to wanky shite like Kanye West; they've practically became synonymous with a style of music and following that completely contradicts their early fanbase. A 'true' Daft Punk record wouldn't go down well thesedays when most Youtube 14 year olds expect another Harder, Better, Faster, Stronger.
Bert[/quote wrote:
But everything is sub-genres. Electronica is a sub-genre of the massive umbrella genre of dance music.
Wrong. Dance music is a sub-category under 'electronica' - electronica being the all-encompassing term that describes anything synthesized electronically or created using software, more generally. Dance music is a further defining of that term with specific 'trends' regarding tempo, style and artists.
Hakei wrote:
Mr.Oizo = old electro
Have you heard Lamb's Anger? All of his Ed Bang. stuff is the 'new wave' of electro sound. Even 'Flat Beat' and that era of stuff was still 'new' Parisian electro, your timeline and understanding of the genre of a whole is clearly undeveloped. This is 'first-wave' electro as I earlier referred to, with hip-hop influence:
Get schooled? I've been playing electro for the Cargo Club for about 6 months now; you can sit there and link youtube videos all you want, trying to teach someone who's actually been rubbing shoulders with some of the biggest electro names Australia has to offer.
You're the type of four eyed freak with a body length suede coat who orders a gin and tonic and sits in the corner gently tapping his table, writing your little reviews instead of living for the music and experiencing it.
I DJ as well, it's hard to write reviews or have an opinion that's deemed credible and worthy when you have little to no applicable knowledge. I've been playing around with electronic gear, DJ'ing for small clubs and house-parties and generally getting involved in 'the scene' for many years. Electronic music has been a huge passion of mine for a lonf, it's not an academic Wikipedia geek-contest.
And Bertster, what I am 'on' is saying that electronica- a term used to describe acts ranging from Bjork to Venetian Snares, is not a sub-genre of 'dance' music. Neither of those two aforementioned artists are dance-able or clubworthy for a start, you have your classifications the wrong way around. Electronic/Electronica is a very wide catch-all term, dance music generally describes something more specific and characteristically recognisable. You're only making a fool out of yourself.
And Bertster, what I am 'on' is saying that electronica- a term used to describe acts ranging from Bjork to Venetian Snares, is not a sub-genre of 'dance' music. Neither of those two aforementioned artists are dance-able or clubworthy for a start, you have your classifications the wrong way around. Electronic/Electronica is a very wide catch-all term, dance music generally describes something more specific and characteristically recognisable. You're only making a fool out of yourself.
Dance music is probably the widest ranging umbrella genre of music there is. Ranging from Jazz, Swing, Bebop to Techno, Drum n' Bass etc.
Saying dance music is more specific than electronica is very foolish.
But everything is sub-genres. Electronica is a sub-genre of the massive umbrella genre of dance music.
Wrong. Dance music is a sub-category under 'electronica' - electronica being the all-encompassing term that describes anything synthesized electronically or created using software, more generally. Dance music is a further defining of that term with specific 'trends' regarding tempo, style and artists.
What are you on?
Are you completely retarded?
Dance music a sub-genre of electronica
Even I think he's an idiot, and I know exactly fuck all about what any of you are on about.
