BF2S Forums Banned for being too good?!?!

I got kicked for artillerry striking a runway, the admin yelled at me cause I kept doing it
"Why do you keep bombing our carrier"
"Cause half your team keeps gathering at the SAME exact spot"

I was kicked the next strike

IndianScout wrote:

to kick a player for being to good or pwning, is limiting their vehicle or class, and does fall under being an abusive admin..

no matter how much you like or dislike it..

it comes with running a clan Ranked server...

Scout, the problem is, there are hundreds of abusive admins out there, and you guys cant do much about it.

I get banned from servers for kicking too much arse all the time. Unlike catching stat padders or exploiters, being kicked by an abusive admin is hard to prove. Invariably they will kick you "for teamkilling" or some such nonsense, and you can take a screenshot of it, but that doesnt really prove anything.

Just some of the servers I've been banned from:

Multiplay.co.uk Global Special Forces (probably also because I called the whole GSF clan on using the "in-buildings" cheats)

Multiplay.co.uk: RETURN2KILL

http://www.dc-uke.co.uk (UK Elites is the clan. How ironic)

Multiplay.co.uk ::Snugglepuf vs PAIN-DK

Personally I'm quite proud of it. When a whole clan is being beaten so badly without me or my clan using any form of baseraping or exploits that they have to resort to banning me merely tells me I've utterly defeated them in every possible way.

I've been kicked from a clan server because I got in a helicopter.  Not even because I was good in the helicopter, I think it was Mashtuur City (that's the one where there's only 2 choppers, right?) and as soon as I got in the chopper the commander started to bitch and moan over voice chat going 'get out zee chopper or i'll kick you' and 'we pay for zeez server, you get out the fucking chopper'.  I replied that they could have the chopper the first time I died (which I knew wouldn't be long as members of the same clan were in the other chopper).  I died a minute or two later (after receiving continous abuse from the clan members and the commander) and went to join the ground battle.  They kicked me a few minutes later anyway.  The punkbuster reason given was "I told you to get out."

I think if a clan uses their server to change the rules of combat in their favour (e.g. only allowing planes and choppers to be used by clan members) then that should be counted as stats padding, and the server should be disabled and clan members should have all points earnt on that server deducted.   

Paying for a ranked server should guarantee that your members have a place they can play together, that's the point, but the rules should be no different from any official ranked server when operating in public ranked mode.  In my opinion kickable offences are: sniping jet and helicopter pilots (edit: from your team) on the runway, lying down in from of (edit: your own teams) planes so they can punish because they were too slow to get the jet, using no-rank accounts to kill teammates so their clan members can get revives and using map exploits.  Kicking/banning people who just play the game because they are better than you or got to the empty jet faster is demonstrates about as much maturity as a particularly immature two year old.

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-02-08 05:41:41)

it happened to me multiple times, i hope the admins read this! they are so stupid, how the hell do they think to get any players in their server when ur actin like that?

-Ben

-=SoF=-Rip wrote:

We are not that good. We pay for a server. We make the rules. You may feel that sucks or is unfair. Some people who pay out money to have a server don't like being ignored.   

And if anyone else comes by and wants "own", they most likely get the same treatment. No one likes guests ignoring them. Generally that will get you kicked out of the party.

I agree with you guys. If someone dishes out £100 each, every month then they should get to choose who plays in it. I'd be annoyed if i were paying over £100 every month and get some uber cool dude trashing my KD. I say good on your admin. If you hate the admin, boy cot the server its simple.

I'm afraid there seems to be a price to pay for being good, but i'm sure you can find a server out there wih better pilots that will comfort you Deathrace .

BubbaJudge wrote:

We know the rules, do you?

Excerpt from EA Server usage policy also known as the ROE

e. Server admins may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server (e.g. knives only, aircraft prohibited except for clan members, etc.)

f. Server admins may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on roles or kits that players can use while on your server e.g. Commander, Squad Leader, Spec Ops, etc.)

I know the rules obviously YOU don't

BubbaJudge wrote:

You also failed to mention that you were repeatedly warned to leave the jet and help your team take flags

f. Server admins may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on roles or kits that players can use while on your server e.g. Commander, Squad Leader, Spec Ops, etc.)

BubbaJudge wrote:

SoF pays for and provides it server for its members and regulars ... as our guest we expect you to abide by our style of play and our MOTD rules which specifically states we do not condone plane whoring.

e. Server admins may not explicitly or implicitly (by actions) enforce restrictions on vehicles or weapons that players can use while on your server (e.g. knives only, aircraft prohibited except for clan members, etc.)

BubbaJudge wrote:

I also see from your stats that you are no stranger to kicks, having fielded 44 kicks in 5 months of play, I guess thats the price you pay for being a bombing specialist on other peoples servers.

Think that has something to do with the abundance of BF2 admins who don't bother to read the rules and assume they make their own?

BubbaJudge wrote:

... all our servers have had strict rules of play that we have learned over the last 6 years provides the best experience for our members and regulars and we ask our guests to adhere to them.

Then do it on a non-ranked server noob.  Read the ROE before you go posting about your abusive admin habits.  You are just making a case for why your ranked status should be pulled.

Observer, this point is directly aimed at you and anyone who shares your views:

Planes are clearly not invincible, and to say that there is no way to see who is a good pilot or not is just outrageous.  Often (not always) the side with the more manuverable jets will have a takeable airfield, so no-one can say that there is no way to stop them getting the better of the pilots in the less agile jets (e.g. f-35), although there are exceptions to this but there is often lots of AA vehicles and stationary points on these maps anyway.  A well positioned AA vehicle with supply support from the commander is designed to counter that exact threat, even if the operator won't get 5 points a minute. 

I agree many jet pilots will go for AA first, thus neutralising their main threat (that's only logical), but to spot which AA position is targetting you from the air is a skill in itself.  Also it is often the case that the blame for lack of AA can be directly pinned on shit airbourne units on the side with the weaker airforce who instantly punish the AA operator should a missile go astray due to a skilled evasion, despite the fact that this effectively disables their SAM support.  Who wants to help twats who have no evasive skill and punish without questioning why they got killed.  It's like running over a mine and punishing.  It wasn't meant for you but you act like it was and punish.

I agree it will be better when hitpoints are lowered on aircraft, but that doesn't affect the pilots who can go for whole rounds without taking a single hit.  I doubt improved lockon could take down pilots with the skill level I have observed on some of the public servers they seem  fully aware of every missile launched against them, but at least it might reduce TKs a little.  You are kidding yourself if you think that the only reason you are getting slaughtered is because of an 'exploit'.  I enjoy getting slaughtered by an expert pilot, it is a demonstration of skill and practice, and describing them as 'exploiters' is degrading and wrong.  Apart from anything more often than not it is the admins who are 'exploiting' the fact that plane -=are=- difficult to take down.  You cannot change the fact that a simulation of a billion dollar jet will have the characteristics of a billion dollar jet, and aside from people tk'ing to get the jet (which I have previously indicated that I believe should be a kickable offence), everyone has an equal chance to get the jet and get the kills that come with operating a piece of seriously expensive and well designed piece of hardware.  Tanks have big guns, but players not are 'exploiting' the game if they shoot people with them, that's what they're designed for.  Grow up.

Just so this post isn't completly off topic, today I played on a server and was lucky enough to be part of a functioning blackhawk team (for a change).  One of the gunners racked up over 100 points after just a few strafing runs thanks to the skill of the pilot, and within a few seconds up popped a kick vote.  Obviously only a couple of people voted, but it just shows the mentality which leads to the situation where better players get kicked by unscrupulous, jealous, halfwitted admins.  "I can't get a good score with xyz killing me all the time... I'd bet everybody agrees with me, I'll start a kick vote/kick them with my admin privilege".  Who is really exploiting the game, the skilled player who pisses off a few egotistical arseholes who can't bear to think that there are people who are better than them, or the halfwit starting the kick vote/abusing admin rights to kick them?

I should add as a footnote if a player kills their own teammates to get a jet then whether or not they are skilled, they are an arsehole and deserve no mercy.  Kick/ban themas deliberate teamkilling for vehicles to increase score -is- a form of stats padding (and please EA, start resetting more of these cheating bastards), as you aren't playing the game as it was meant to be played. 

The way to tell if a pilot is good is if they can rack up those points without stealing jets or using admin rights to kick people when they don't get the jet.  A bad pilot gets those same points with a stolen jet.  IMO.

Last edited by UnOriginalNuttah (2006-02-08 14:24:16)

just happend to me and my freinds, first off my friend [[[@LPH@]]]ViPeR gets banned for strange name,

my other freind and i are like, uhmm ok and just keep fighting,

next round we are on our way too the back MEC flag (aka main mec) and all of a sudden my rfeind @LPH@ Ekpang gets banned for <<statpadding>> and i for teamkilling (i had <<killed>> 2 people because they jumped on top of my hummer on a certain angle where you die automaticly)

so basicly i can tell you don't ever play on the ]-[ss 24/7 MENTAL KARKAND SERVER.








btw. at the time we got booted we were in 7th and 8th place

never ever play there if yoou are smart!

Some admins are gay... i was in a server and was owning the other day and got kicked and reason was high ping apparently..but i had the lowest ping on the server

Well, I think the kick was acceptable. They didn't kick you for being too good, they kicked you for not complying to what the admin asked. Also -=SoF=- if the teams are unfair, just put autobalance on. It will force even teams, but I'm sure you know this already.

I think this topic deserves a lock.

- Andrew

-=SoF=-Rip wrote:

Bumble-B-Tuna wrote:

-=SoF=-Rip wrote:

We are not that good. We pay for a server. We make the rules. You may feel that sucks or is unfair. Some people who pay out money to have a server don't like being ignored.   

And if anyone else comes by and wants "own", they most likely get the same treatment. No one likes guests ignoring them. Generally that will get you kicked out of the party.

Dude!  Step off with your power trip.  What a looser!

It's "loser".

It's "loser."

Punctuation always falls within the quotation marks if you want to get technical about it.

It *could* be worse, though.  In AA, at least, if you get admin kicked from a server you lose 1,000 points.  The sad thing, though, is that there is nobody to police abusive squads/clans/admins to prevent honest players from being punished while following allowable rules, according to the "official" ROE, that may not fit within that servers policy.