I'm glad Muslims don't kill the unbelievers, as my father spent a year in Indonesia in the 70s.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
damn, lowing, this is getting ridiculous, get a grip already. religion is just a manipulation tool - every single one of them is. when will you understand already: to accomplish its purpose religion needs to win the population so it evolves and adapts to the society in exists in. why don't you read some history already - every major religion has gone through the periods of being "violent and intolerant" and, provided there's enough time (e.g. humans won't blast this world into oblivion just yet), islam is not the last of them to do so.
islam as we know it today - and it does look pretty damn "evil" if you look at it out of context e.g. history of the region it originated from and is dominant in - is not the CAUSE of what's happening in the ME (and in the world in general) today, it's the EFFECT.
you look like a damn kid who'd come to the fire site and runs around crying "oh, gawn, the flames are evil! stuff's getting burned by them!".
islam as we know it today - and it does look pretty damn "evil" if you look at it out of context e.g. history of the region it originated from and is dominant in - is not the CAUSE of what's happening in the ME (and in the world in general) today, it's the EFFECT.
you look like a damn kid who'd come to the fire site and runs around crying "oh, gawn, the flames are evil! stuff's getting burned by them!".
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Cam, Islam is not a minority in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, etc ........These are violent, intolerant cultures and yes they are ISLAMIC cultures whose laws are based on the teachings of Islam.CameronPoe wrote:
/winlowing wrote:
Actually, you do not win, since clearly, based on sharia law, Islam has been interpreted by the "experts", and its current results are in the form of a culture of intolerance and violence.CameronPoe wrote:
Thanks again for backing up my interpretation argument. You're damn fucking right quotes from an ancient book are non-conclusive!!!! Ergo I win the argument. There are many specific quotes on tolerance and peaceful relations with non-believers. There are also adversarial quotes. The individual must decide how to read it.
/win
Every post you make continues to reinforce my point! And of course you focus on a minority to generalise the majority, as usual. /winwin
IF a MUSLIM leaves these lands to escape the tyranny, this my make the MUSLIM non-violent or tolerant, it does not make his religion so.
It is taught as such, and Islam's hero practiced it, and he is worshipped for it.
Violent intolerant cultures, really? Saudi Arabia is a long term US ally... Pakistan is currently allied with the US against the war on terror, against AQ.lowing wrote:
Cam, Islam is not a minority in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, etc ........These are violent, intolerant cultures and yes they are ISLAMIC cultures whose laws are based on the teachings of Islam.
Surely if these cultures were so intolerant they wouldn't be allied with the West?
You want me to get a grip? Maybe you should read back at who is doing all of cussing and insulting in this thread. I have a grip. I have an opinion, that opinion is based on current events.Shahter wrote:
damn, lowing, this is getting ridiculous, get a grip already. religion is just a manipulation tool - every single one of them is. when will you understand already: to accomplish its purpose religion needs to win the population so it evolves and adapts to the society in exists in. why don't you read some history already - every major religion has gone through the periods of being "violent and intolerant" and, provided there's enough time (e.g. humans won't blast this world into oblivion just yet), islam is not the last of them to do so.
islam as we know it today - and it does look pretty damn "evil" if you look at it out of context e.g. history of the region it originated from and is dominant in - is not the CAUSE of what's happening in the ME (and in the world in general) today, it's the EFFECT.
you look like a damn kid who'd come to the fire site and runs around crying "oh, gawn, the flames are evil! stuff's getting burned by them!".
I do not care if Islam is the cause or if it is the effect. IT is, what it is, violent, and intolerant. I also do not care that so were other religions in the past. It does not change the fact that Islam is violent and intolerant NOW.
allied or not, read up on them. whether or not we should be allies is a different issue. One I will be glad to discuss. The fact still remains these nations are what they are.AussieReaper wrote:
Violent intolerant cultures, really? Saudi Arabia is a long term US ally... Pakistan is currently allied with the US against the war on terror, against AQ.lowing wrote:
Cam, Islam is not a minority in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, etc ........These are violent, intolerant cultures and yes they are ISLAMIC cultures whose laws are based on the teachings of Islam.
Surely if these cultures were so intolerant they wouldn't be allied with the West?
You do not think Saudi is intolerant? Why not ask yourself why Michelle Obama was in Saudi standing by his side while he spoke of how "all nations are equal".
Then she magically appears in France for the D-Day thing.
When you are honest with yourself about that answer, you will have no choice but to admit these Islamic culture are just what I said.
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I can't see them as intolerant and violent when they are your allies and working with you. Sure, it's a shaky alliance at times with Pakistan, but you wouldn't be giving them huge $$$ in aid if you didn't want/need them as allies and they wouldn't take it if they were as intolerant as you think.lowing wrote:
allied or not, read up on them. whether or not we should be allies is a different issue. One I will be glad to discuss. The fact still remains these nations are what they are.AussieReaper wrote:
Violent intolerant cultures, really? Saudi Arabia is a long term US ally... Pakistan is currently allied with the US against the war on terror, against AQ.lowing wrote:
Cam, Islam is not a minority in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, Somalia, Yemen, etc ........These are violent, intolerant cultures and yes they are ISLAMIC cultures whose laws are based on the teachings of Islam.
Surely if these cultures were so intolerant they wouldn't be allied with the West?
Have a look at Irans upcoming upcoming election and the swing towards the opposition, wishing for better relations with the US and an end to sabre rattling and threats against Israel. Mahmoud Ahamdinejad is losing a lot of support to Mehdi Karroubi, and the televised debates really are showing how different Irans dealing with the US may be headed into the future should he take office. Although there's every chance the election won't be fair and it remains to be seen how much support Karroubi will gain.
you can't see them as violent or intolerant? read up, I editedAussieReaper wrote:
I can't see them as intolerant and violent when they are your allies and working with you. Sure, it's a shaky alliance at times with Pakistan, but you wouldn't be giving them huge $$$ in aid if you didn't want/need them as allies and they wouldn't take it if they were as intolerant as you think.lowing wrote:
allied or not, read up on them. whether or not we should be allies is a different issue. One I will be glad to discuss. The fact still remains these nations are what they are.AussieReaper wrote:
Violent intolerant cultures, really? Saudi Arabia is a long term US ally... Pakistan is currently allied with the US against the war on terror, against AQ.
Surely if these cultures were so intolerant they wouldn't be allied with the West?
Have a look at Irans upcoming upcoming election and the swing towards the opposition, wishing for better relations with the US and an end to sabre rattling and threats against Israel. Mahmoud Ahamdinejad is losing a lot of support to Mehdi Karroubi, and the televised debates really are showing how different Irans dealing with the US may be headed into the future should he take office. Although there's every chance the election won't be fair and it remains to be seen how much support Karroubi will gain.
ah, so you want to do it rammunition way, huh? fair enough. if you aren't interested to know why the stuff happens the way it does, why the culture you speak of developed into what we know it to be these days and what part you beloved america played in it, if you aren't interested in any discussion - fine. if "islam" is just a five letter word that you only use to make noise - no prob, go right on.lowing wrote:
You want me to get a grip? Maybe you should read back at who is doing all of cussing and insulting in this thread. I have a grip. I have an opinion, that opinion is based on current events.
I do not care if Islam is the cause or if it is the effect. IT is, what it is, violent, and intolerant. I also do not care that so were other religions in the past. It does not change the fact that Islam is violent and intolerant NOW.
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
First of all, this post does not address, "getting a grip".Shahter wrote:
ah, so you want to do it rammunition way, huh? fair enough. if you aren't interested to know why the stuff happens the way it does, why the culture you speak of developed into what we know it to be these days and what part you beloved america played in it, if you aren't interested in any discussion - fine. if "islam" is just a five letter word that you only use to make noise - no prob, go right on.lowing wrote:
You want me to get a grip? Maybe you should read back at who is doing all of cussing and insulting in this thread. I have a grip. I have an opinion, that opinion is based on current events.
I do not care if Islam is the cause or if it is the effect. IT is, what it is, violent, and intolerant. I also do not care that so were other religions in the past. It does not change the fact that Islam is violent and intolerant NOW.
Second, I am nothing like Ramm. He also is an insulting personal attacking individual in this forum
Third, If you want to discuss WHY ISLAM IS a VIOLENT and INTOLERANT religion, as you seem to admit, this would be fine, but first lets agree that it is shall we?
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huh? well, by "getting a grip" a ment "returning back on earth" from the wonderland you seem to be atm. but, yeah, maybe i misused the phrase.lowing wrote:
First of all, this post does not address, "getting a grip".
you are exactly the same in the ways you express your so called "opinion". just as rammunition calling america "terrorist state" is insulting to you, your "intolerant and violent religion of islam" is insulting to muslims.lowing wrote:
Second, I am nothing like Ramm. He also is an insulting personal attacking individual in this forum
there is no violent or intolerant religion on earth AT ALL. religion is a tool, how many times sould we repeat it for you? as cam already mentioned, islam teachings, which you see as "inherently evil", are as self-contradictory, internally inconsistent and, frankly, as utterly pathetic as those of christianity or any other mumbo-jumbo out there. religion of islam evolves and adapts to the SOCIETY it exists in and gets distorted and abused just as much as any other: "the force", you see, has a strong influence on the weak minded (c) - that's the root of the problem. but by itself islam's nothing but ramblings of a madman.lowing wrote:
Third, If you want to discuss WHY ISLAM IS a VIOLENT and INTOLERANT religion, as you seem to admit, this would be fine, but first lets agree that it is shall we?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
Why don't you make a thread lowing about "Why Islam is a violent and intolerant religion"
Take us through it step by step why you think just that and give us examples that justifies why you think the entire Muslim population is violent and intolerant because of their religion and not just the few rotten eggs like in any other religion, culture or country ...
That could be an interesting thread tbh ...
Take us through it step by step why you think just that and give us examples that justifies why you think the entire Muslim population is violent and intolerant because of their religion and not just the few rotten eggs like in any other religion, culture or country ...
That could be an interesting thread tbh ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
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He won't do it.
1. you used it as if I have lost control of my facalties, for this you need to address Cam, he is the one cussing screaming and name calling. I have maintained my composer.Shahter wrote:
huh? well, by "getting a grip" a ment "returning back on earth" from the wonderland you seem to be atm. but, yeah, maybe i misused the phrase.lowing wrote:
First of all, this post does not address, "getting a grip".you are exactly the same in the ways you express your so called "opinion". just as rammunition calling america "terrorist state" is insulting to you, your "intolerant and violent religion of islam" is insulting to muslims.lowing wrote:
Second, I am nothing like Ramm. He also is an insulting personal attacking individual in this forumthere is no violent or intolerant religion on earth AT ALL. religion is a tool, how many times sould we repeat it for you? as cam already mentioned, islam teachings, which you see as "inherently evil", are as self-contradictory, internally inconsistent and, frankly, as utterly pathetic as those of christianity or any other mumbo-jumbo out there. religion of islam evolves and adapts to the SOCIETY it exists in and gets distorted and abused just as much as any other: "the force", you see, has a strong influence on the weak minded (c) - that's the root of the problem. but by itself islam's nothing but ramblings of a madman.lowing wrote:
Third, If you want to discuss WHY ISLAM IS a VIOLENT and INTOLERANT religion, as you seem to admit, this would be fine, but first lets agree that it is shall we?
2. The very last thing I care about is who is insulted by my posts, I speak my mind and I hardly ever personally attack anyone. therefore no one should be insulted, and if Muslims want to be offended, they could start with members of their own religion instead of threatening violence over cartoons depicting their religion as violent.
By the way, my opinion is not a so called opinion, it is in fact an actual opinion, backed up by a whole ME full of violence and intolerance. Look it up.
3. Fine you win, the "tool" known as Islam is violent and intolerant. Happy?
Why, for us to discuss such a topic we would first have to agree that it is a violent and intolerant religion, would we not?Varegg wrote:
Why don't you make a thread lowing about "Why Islam is a violent and intolerant religion"
Take us through it step by step why you think just that and give us examples that justifies why you think the entire Muslim population is violent and intolerant because of their religion and not just the few rotten eggs like in any other religion, culture or country ...
That could be an interesting thread tbh ...
No, you could present your stance in a clear OP, then we debate it there. as opposed to every thread about islam.lowing wrote:
Why, for us to discuss such a topic we would first have to agree that it is a violent and intolerant religion, would we not?Varegg wrote:
Why don't you make a thread lowing about "Why Islam is a violent and intolerant religion"
Take us through it step by step why you think just that and give us examples that justifies why you think the entire Muslim population is violent and intolerant because of their religion and not just the few rotten eggs like in any other religion, culture or country ...
That could be an interesting thread tbh ...
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Use an umbrella
Always raining and foggy
Use an umbrella
Why would we have to agree to that?lowing wrote:
Why, for us to discuss such a topic we would first have to agree that it is a violent and intolerant religion, would we not?Varegg wrote:
Why don't you make a thread lowing about "Why Islam is a violent and intolerant religion"
Take us through it step by step why you think just that and give us examples that justifies why you think the entire Muslim population is violent and intolerant because of their religion and not just the few rotten eggs like in any other religion, culture or country ...
That could be an interesting thread tbh ...
It would be better imo for you to make one such thread rather than to drip small amounts in every thread you visit ... make one thread where you explain why you think Islam is violent and intolerant and please back up your claims ...
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
lowing wrote:
1. you used it as if I have lost control of my facalties, for this you need to address Cam, he is the one cussing screaming and name calling. I have maintained my composer.
Maintained my composer....
Does it cost a lot? Does he write you some nice tunes?
Sounds like you have lost control of your faculties.
no cards to play, dude? k.lowing wrote:
Fine you win, the "tool" known as Islam is violent and intolerant. Happy?
if you open your mind too much your brain will fall out.
berster, facilities ffsBertster7 wrote:
lowing wrote:
1. you used it as if I have lost control of my facalties, for this you need to address Cam, he is the one cussing screaming and name calling. I have maintained my composer.
Maintained my composer....
Does it cost a lot? Does he write you some nice tunes?
Sounds like you have lost control of your faculties.
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Use an umbrella
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No, faculties. It's a different word. The plural of faculty.FatherTed wrote:
berster, facilities ffsBertster7 wrote:
lowing wrote:
1. you used it as if I have lost control of my facalties, for this you need to address Cam, he is the one cussing screaming and name calling. I have maintained my composer.
Maintained my composer....
Does it cost a lot? Does he write you some nice tunes?
Sounds like you have lost control of your faculties.
Oh, good god typos, and I forgot to run spell checker. Hope you plan on addressing a post sometime as wellBertster7 wrote:
lowing wrote:
1. you used it as if I have lost control of my facalties, for this you need to address Cam, he is the one cussing screaming and name calling. I have maintained my composer.
Maintained my composer....
Does it cost a lot? Does he write you some nice tunes?
Sounds like you have lost control of your faculties.
Cards??!! there is a whole world of cards out there that have countless examples of Islams violence intolerance, hatred etc.... What you need are "cards" proving I am wrong, because I can sit here all day and post examples that I right.Shahter wrote:
no cards to play, dude? k.lowing wrote:
Fine you win, the "tool" known as Islam is violent and intolerant. Happy?
Not really.lowing wrote:
Oh, good god typos, and I forgot to run spell checker. Hope you plan on addressing a post sometime as wellBertster7 wrote:
lowing wrote:
1. you used it as if I have lost control of my facalties, for this you need to address Cam, he is the one cussing screaming and name calling. I have maintained my composer.
Maintained my composer....
Does it cost a lot? Does he write you some nice tunes?
Sounds like you have lost control of your faculties.
I just saw maintained my composer and it made me laugh. Created a picture of a little composer that you keep in a box...
Dunno why, but it made me laugh.