BF2S Forums Recommend me a good 2.1 set

Freezer7Pro wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I like Z-2300s.

edit: even .sup said they are decent for the price. Only one in this thread saying no is freezer who doesn't even listen to music.

When you look at what you get, they really aren't good for the price. A cheap chip amp, ultra-cheap drivers and horribly designed enclosures. I mean, bass reflex on satellites? Come on now. Those things shouldn't even try to produce bass! That's what the subwoofer is for!

Watching chapter 34 of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers DVD delivered an equal amount of pure joy. In this battle scene, every collision benefited from a tremendous thud, and the fall of every horse hoof came through with pristine clarity and a low-end bass from the sub that made us shudder. Amid all this low-frequency glory, the score and the dialogue were never obscured or overpowered. The Z-2300 may not be a proper 5.1 surround-sound kit, but its output sure sounds like movie-theater quality.

At $150, the Logitech Z-2300 speakers are an excellent investment. Our minor gripes about the wiring and the nonadjustable angle of the speakers are truly minimal when weighed against the audio's superb power and accuracy. Simply put, they sound magnificent.

Here is what we can say – for about $110 I have not heard a better set of speakers at this price point. We’ve reviewed a few budget sets of speakers that just fell short in the sound category lacking clarity and bass. When this set came along it was like a breath of fresh air.

The Z-2300, based on Logitech's 2200, will serve as a reference point in the world of high-performance 2.1 speakers. While we would have preferred to see the satellites offer two-way drivers, the final result is that the speakers are at the high end of the quality spectrum. The 2300 thus represents one of the rare possible choices in this product sector for those who seek the best in the category.

Bertster7 wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I like Z-2300s.

edit: even .sup said they are decent for the price. Only one in this thread saying no is freezer who doesn't even listen to music.

When you look at what you get, they really aren't good for the price. A cheap chip amp, ultra-cheap drivers and horribly designed enclosures. I mean, bass reflex on satellites? Come on now. Those things shouldn't even try to produce bass! That's what the subwoofer is for!

Yes, lets look at what you get for your money and what reviewers think of them.

Watching chapter 34 of The Lord of the Rings: The Two Towers DVD delivered an equal amount of pure joy. In this battle scene, every collision benefited from a tremendous thud, and the fall of every horse hoof came through with pristine clarity and a low-end bass from the sub that made us shudder. Amid all this low-frequency glory, the score and the dialogue were never obscured or overpowered. The Z-2300 may not be a proper 5.1 surround-sound kit, but its output sure sounds like movie-theater quality.

At $150, the Logitech Z-2300 speakers are an excellent investment. Our minor gripes about the wiring and the nonadjustable angle of the speakers are truly minimal when weighed against the audio's superb power and accuracy. Simply put, they sound magnificent.

http://reviews.cnet.com/pc-speakers/z-2 … 93080.html

Here is what we can say – for about $110 I have not heard a better set of speakers at this price point. We’ve reviewed a few budget sets of speakers that just fell short in the sound category lacking clarity and bass. When this set came along it was like a breath of fresh air.

http://www.3dxtreme.net/index.php?id=lo … 2300mx5184

The Z-2300, based on Logitech's 2200, will serve as a reference point in the world of high-performance 2.1 speakers. While we would have preferred to see the satellites offer two-way drivers, the final result is that the speakers are at the high end of the quality spectrum. The 2300 thus represents one of the rare possible choices in this product sector for those who seek the best in the category.

http://www.tomsguide.com/us/logitech-z, … 340-4.html

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-19 08:47:03)

FatherTed wrote:

get the logitechs. then lock this thread.

Logitech speakers are about as bad as it gets. Same goes for BOSE. Look into the Altec Lansing FX4021 if you actually want almost good sound out of cheap computer speakers.

Last edited by Mekstizzle (2009-06-19 09:45:00)

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

Unless you use your speakers for hearing test you need to also understand ppl actually listen something other than exact frequenzies with these. And these are great for gaming, movie and fair amount of music use.

You just look at specs on paper, you completely ignore the fact different ppl prever different sound. If you happen to love to listen some frequenzy tests, others might not. Do you have 100% perfect and best ears in the world ? because I certainly doubt you can hear every slightest difference in frequenzy, which seems to be huge deal to you. I get the feeling the fact of knowing some frequenzy is not perfect, not hearing it, is the problem for you.

If you seriosly can know that oooh, that sound is exactly 17kHz zomg, that is 16.5kHz, I book you for tuning my brother's piano for next 30 years.

Anywais have fun listening to the sound tests freezar, I'm off to drinking.... and listening to music.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

http://www.testseek.com/computers/pc_speakers/logitech_z-2300-p-41c59035-bd17-4ee9-95b5-92ff01f7862d.html

85/100 average from 10 sites

edit: lots of tech blabla on top, but do you have any personal experience with this set of speakers? My brother has these and neighbours will start complaining before the speakers struggle.

I have. We had the Z-2300s in my old school, and the Z-5500 in my current one. I haven't gotten a chance to do any real benchmarks on them other than running sweeps and listening.

And you need to understand that there's more to this than power. Power is cheap, I can design a half-decent 2x200W amplifier for 30€ in a night, using the same kind of cheap chips that Logitech uses. The hard part is to make that power into sound, something that Logitech fails utterly at. Look at my speakers, for example. They're twice as big as the subwoofer of the Z-5500, with 10" drivers that feature more excursion than said Logitech driver. Yet, they're rated at 50W each, where the Z-5500 sub is rated at 180. That's because my speakers are a lot more efficient at making sound out of electricity than the Logitech.

Now, if my drivers, which aren't any top-end things by far, can make as much sound at roughly 40W as the Logitech can make out of 180, that's quite some excess heat created in the Logitech driver. Now, there's a whole science behind this, but in short, a driver gets less efficient the hotter it gets. The Logitech, producing almost five times more heat, will warm up much faster than mine, resulting in even less efficiency, and even less sound. Driving it at that level for long will make the adhesive holding the coil together melt, and break the driver beyond repair.

The satellites don't have a high-pass filter on them, making them output low frequencies too, which, being one-way drivers, results in distortion in the higher frequencies which they should be covering. Being cheap one-wayers also gives them some serious issues in very high frequencies. Neither the Z-5500 or Z-2300 can produce much sound at all above 16kHz.

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I find that hard to believe. The sats on the Z-5500 in school move like mad when running a 30Hz sine wave through them.

And I'm not saying they should be louder. I'm saying they should be more efficient, so that they can be just as loud, but you don't break them as soon as you try to go half-loud.

Bertster7 wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

I find that hard to believe. The sats on the Z-5500 in school move like mad when running a 30Hz sine wave through them.

And I'm not saying they should be louder. I'm saying they should be more efficient, so that they can be just as loud, but you don't break them as soon as you try to go half-loud.

Maybe it isn't on the Z5500, but I find it hard to believe they'd include it on a lower end product (although I always thought the Z5400 and Z5450 were nicer).

In any case, as I've said, that'd defeat the whole object. To be more efficient they need to use less input voltage, which means they need to drop less voltage across the circuit. LDO components are WAY more expensive and so they would cost more money and be competing with high end speakers, which could make them pointless.

Last edited by Freezer7Pro (2009-06-19 11:38:01)

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:

I like Z-2300s.

edit: even .sup said they are decent for the price. Only one in this thread saying no is freezer who doesn't even listen to music.

When you look at what you get, they really aren't good for the price. A cheap chip amp, ultra-cheap drivers and horribly designed enclosures. I mean, bass reflex on satellites? Come on now. Those things shouldn't even try to produce bass! That's what the subwoofer is for!

those are not bass reflex exhausts

Freezer7Pro wrote:

.Sup wrote:

Freezer7Pro wrote:

When you look at what you get, they really aren't good for the price. A cheap chip amp, ultra-cheap drivers and horribly designed enclosures. I mean, bass reflex on satellites? Come on now. Those things shouldn't even try to produce bass! That's what the subwoofer is for!

those are not bass reflex exhausts

Then what are they?