I think you spelt it wrong to be honest xxxxxMutantbear wrote:
Nah I think I spelled it correctly
That you can fine someone 2 million dollars for 24 songs aparently.usmarine wrote:
what does the law say?Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Ok then theoretically if they were to buy the music first it would be ok then?usmarine wrote:
erm...i know how torrents work dear. you download from other stealing people. nice try.
Are you a music artist, producer or a porn actor? Cos you seem very hurt by people downloading stuff.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yeah, it does seem like a waste. There really is no point of writing something if the intended target is too stupid/obdurate to listen to it.usmarine wrote:
dont waste your time. see .sups response and save your time.nukchebi0 wrote:
Edit: Do I have to type out a nice explanation of how stealing something digital is still stealing?
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maybe when you grow up, live on your own and support yourself, work a real job and stuff...you will see. maybe..Sup wrote:
Are you a music artist, producer or a porn actor? Cos you seem very hurt by the pirates downloading stuff.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yeah, it does seem like a waste. There really is no point of writing something if the intended target is too stupid/obdurate to listen to it.usmarine wrote:
dont waste your time. see .sups response and save your time.
lol, I see you're point.Uzique wrote:
Er, you don't really know what you're talking about, do you?Jenspm wrote:
supply/demandAjax_the_Great1 wrote:
Fuck that. Music is a huge ripoff. CD's cost about a dollar a song to justify the production costs. Now itunes and shit are charging the same price despite having to produce nothing. It's like buying a pack of gum and paying a dollar per stick.
Where's the 'supply/demand' correlation between music CD's and the price that the business charges?
What I was trying to say is that a record company, like any other company, try to make money. Thus, if people are willing to pay a dollar per song, they sell at a dollar per song. They've probably got it all figured out that that's the level of pricing where everyone makes the most money.
Not really supply/demand but... meh. I'm tired.
hmm still sticking with my initial thoughtsusmarine wrote:
maybe when you grow up, live on your own and support yourself, work a real job and stuff...you will see. maybe..Sup wrote:
Are you a music artist, producer or a porn actor? Cos you seem very hurt by the pirates downloading stuff.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yeah, it does seem like a waste. There really is no point of writing something if the intended target is too stupid/obdurate to listen to it.
Its something I've been aware for many years. I'm always surprised at its efficacy, really.Ajax_the_Great1 wrote:
Fact: The best way to get people to listen and respect you is to call them stupid.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yeah, it does seem like a waste. There really is no point of writing something if the intended target is too stupid/obdurate to listen to it.
No, I just hate it..Sup wrote:
Are you a music artist, producer or a porn actor? Cos you seem very hurt by people downloading stuff.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yeah, it does seem like a waste. There really is no point of writing something if the intended target is too stupid/obdurate to listen to it.usmarine wrote:
dont waste your time. see .sups response and save your time.
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Seriously..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
looks like i'll be fined 150,000,000 bucks for my collection of 1875 songs lololololololoolol
Crime is crime.
The companies know they won't get the money as she can file BK.
Get the hint;
Stop stealing stuff.
Irony that some who have hard drives stuffed with illegally downloaded (b)product(/b) also complain about chavs and gangsters and criminal politicians.
My office girl understands that installing pirated software or songs on my office pc means insta fired.
Irony is that you complain about illegal immigrants, and yet you still hire them.ATG wrote:
Seriously..:ronin:.|Patton wrote:
looks like i'll be fined 150,000,000 bucks for my collection of 1875 songs lololololololoolol
Crime is crime.
The companies know they won't get the money as she can file BK.
Get the hint;
Stop stealing stuff.
Irony that some who have hard drives stuffed with illegally downloaded (b)product(/b) also complain about chavs and gangsters and criminal politicians.
My office girl understands that installing pirated software or songs on my office pc means insta fired.
I think we need to get back to the original topic. Is her fine too excessive for the crime?
Again, when you shoplift a CD from a store, the fine is not $80k. It's maybe a few thousand, but certainly not $80.
Again, when you shoplift a CD from a store, the fine is not $80k. It's maybe a few thousand, but certainly not $80.
I doubt it. A tendency to steal is a serious character flaw that seldom goes away.usmarine wrote:
maybe when you grow up, live on your own and support yourself, work a real job and stuff...you will see. maybe..Sup wrote:
Are you a music artist, producer or a porn actor? Cos you seem very hurt by the pirates downloading stuff.nukchebi0 wrote:
Yeah, it does seem like a waste. There really is no point of writing something if the intended target is too stupid/obdurate to listen to it.
You're sitting in a cafe.
They have the newspaper for sale for 2.50
It costs 50 cents to produce that paper.
A man leaving the cafe gives you his paper, regardless of how he acquired it, would you pay 2.50 for a new one or just read his?
They have the newspaper for sale for 2.50
It costs 50 cents to produce that paper.
A man leaving the cafe gives you his paper, regardless of how he acquired it, would you pay 2.50 for a new one or just read his?
How is that analogous to pirating music?
~FuzZz~ wrote:
You're sitting in a cafe.
They have the newspaper for sale for 2.50
It costs 50 cents to produce that paper.
A man leaving the cafe gives you his paper, regardless of how he acquired it, would you pay 2.50 for a new one or just read his?
nukchebi0 wrote:
How is that analogous to pirating music?
~FuzZz~ wrote:
You're surfing the net wirelessly in a cafe.
They have the latest cd's for sale for $25.50
It costs 20 thousand to produce each cd.
A man browsing the net at the cafe offers you his copy of the cd, regardless of how he acquired it, would you pay $25.50 for a new one or just download his?
Phrasing the same situation with a CD rather than a newspaper doesn't alter anything. If he is giving you the copy of the newspaper or the CD, then he is denying himself usage of them (we are assuming he doesn't rip the CD; at any rate, that is the case for the newspaper). That isn't the same as copying music, where both you and the people torrent from can use it simultaneously. Hence, I was wondering, rhetorically, how the two were analogous. It seems they are not.
He isn't denying himself usage of the paper. He has read it already. What more is there to gain, fill out the crossword puzzles? Take out the tv guide?nukchebi0 wrote:
Phrasing the same situation with a CD rather than a newspaper doesn't alter anything. If he is giving you the copy of the newspaper or the CD, then he is denying himself usage of them (we are assuming he doesn't rip the CD; at any rate, that is the case for the newspaper). That isn't the same as copying music, where both you and the people torrent from can use it simultaneously. Hence, I was wondering, rhetorically, how the two were analogous. It seems they are not.
I could give you an mp3 via a torrent and never listen to it again myself. Supposing I had paid for that music legally, does that then make it alright that you have it now? It was paid for once and it in use by one person only.
Your argument for simultaneous use doesn't make much sense either way.
Yes, it is fine. Buying the music once gives you one copy of it, and if you give it to someone else, as long as you are not also using it, there isn't really anything wrong with that. Its no different than loaning a game or giving a used gift to someone. It just doesn't seem that most music piracy works that way.
But the difference in this case is the person giving out the music may still have the music in cd form...nukchebi0 wrote:
Yes, it is fine. Buying the music once gives you one copy of it, and if you give it to someone else, as long as you are not also using it, there isn't really anything wrong with that. Its no different than loaning a game or giving a used gift to someone. It just doesn't seem that most music piracy works that way.
Serious Flex
Well you are allowed by law to make one copy of your media (music, dvd, whatever) for personal backups.
The problem with piracy is distribution. Through piracy you are cutting into the distribution industry's profits by distributing it without cost to other users.
The problem with piracy is distribution. Through piracy you are cutting into the distribution industry's profits by distributing it without cost to other users.
hmmm if u get fined like 100 million dollars for few songs, thats like as bad as lifetimer because rest of your life is fucked.
ppl get very small penaltys for murder, and they fking ruin some womans life just like that for 24 songs.
Its like everyone who steals a car for example from now on, would get death sentence. Rules are rules....... right....
ppl get very small penaltys for murder, and they fking ruin some womans life just like that for 24 songs.
Its like everyone who steals a car for example from now on, would get death sentence. Rules are rules....... right....
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Well guys, guess this shows you're far better off just shoplifting.
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.
But if you go shoplifting people might actually call you a thief
I've downloaded a lot of music, but most if it is just sitting on my HDD waiting to be heard...I'm seeing why it's wrong now though, and am not planning on getting any more, will prob delete a lot of it too.
That's the other thing about buying stuff, you actually value it
.sup...you spend all those bucks on fancy audio crap and then take the music for free? Lol...
I've downloaded a lot of music, but most if it is just sitting on my HDD waiting to be heard...I'm seeing why it's wrong now though, and am not planning on getting any more, will prob delete a lot of it too.
That's the other thing about buying stuff, you actually value it
.sup...you spend all those bucks on fancy audio crap and then take the music for free? Lol...
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That's the reason he can afford his audio crapMrAnderson wrote:
But if you go shoplifting people might actually call you a thief
I've downloaded a lot of music, but most if it is just sitting on my HDD waiting to be heard...I'm seeing why it's wrong now though, and am not planning on getting any more, will prob delete a lot of it too.
That's the other thing about buying stuff, you actually value it
.sup...you spend all those bucks on fancy audio crap and then take the music for free? Lol...
By your analogy I should also bring my own music when going to a party ...~FuzZz~ wrote:
You're sitting in a cafe.
They have the newspaper for sale for 2.50
It costs 50 cents to produce that paper.
A man leaving the cafe gives you his paper, regardless of how he acquired it, would you pay 2.50 for a new one or just read his?
Reading a newspaper bought by a friend or found on a cafe table is not the same as sharing a CD with millions of others ...
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What if you're a leech? Are the fines still massive?
Whoa... Can't believe these forums are still kicking.