Woohoo. A PC Vs. Mac thread.
Since I work as a Mac specialist doing field support and consultancy, I'm quite up on Macs. There's not a lot I don't know about them. Based on that I can quite safely say, PCs are much better. But you do hear a lot of stupid arguments from fanboys on both sides of the fence.
menzo wrote:
oohohooh 8 cores
i want to see a speed test between: 8 core mac pro(dual C2Q ) vs dual socket I7 (8cores)
bye bye mac
Do you? For a start you should understand that the current generation of Mac Pros use i7 based Xeons and shipped before the Xeon version of the i7 was available for PCs - so at that point, the Macs were unquestionably faster.
GC_PaNzerFIN wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
aimless wrote:
When you say macs have good cases, you only have one case to choose from, the OEM one.
When you say PC cases are bad, you have thousands to choose from. From Roswell and Coolermaster up to Lian-Li and Silverstone, they all get bundled into the "PC" category.
Also, PC = Personal Computer. It should be a Mac vs. Windows debate, leaving out all hardware.
Also also, your computer cases shouldn't have to be very durable in the first place. It's not like you pick it up and put it down like a cell phone. It stays put.
I didn't say PC cases were bad, I just said the design and build quality was better on the Mac.
As for your comment about leaving out the hardware, unless the discussion revolves around the OS only, then hardware is a factor. This is less of a factor now, since the inside of the Mac is basically an Intel PC, but in the past the Macs used IBM and Motorola processors that were RISC based, and thus quite a difference in hardware architecture.
I ask again; what is better designed and how the build quality is better than good lian li for example?
The build quality is better. The aluminium is thicker and sturdier for a start. The chassis itself on the Mac Pro is better than anything you find for a PC. But it's a stupid shape and working on stuff inside a Mac Pro (newer ones not so much) or PowerMac G5 is a pain in the arse.
As for the hardware quality in general, it's pretty shoddy. A few key components are very nice, but lots of corners get cut. The Mac Pro is quite a nice system, but the iMac is dreadful when it comes to looking at hardware; overheating issues, PSU issues, video issues, condensation behind the glass panel, shockingly bad optical drives (vertical slot loading - what genius thought that was a good idea?), horrific internal design, awkward to work on, glass covered LCD leads to massive reflections. Then you have to consider the video options available for the Mac Pro, the lack of choice and price is quite prohibitive. If you are looking for a similarly spec'd PC, then you'll have to shell out a similar amount for a PC compared to a Mac Pro. It's not really overpriced and I find it hard to criticise too much.
Mac laptops are something people go on and on about. The MacBook is a perfectly decent laptop. The fact that it's not really any better than any other and costs more money is what is in question here. The MacBook Air is shit and useless, a stupid toy of a laptop. The newer MacBooks and Pros have an insane number of video faults (like the older nVidia based MacBook Pros) and overheating on all of these is a big issue. CPU temps hitting 90C is not very unusual. The Gen. 1 MacBook Air had a very common fault of having 1 CPU shut down when you actually put any sort of strain on it - so it essentially wasn't dual core, because any applications that worked the CPU hard enough to see any benefit from it being dual core, caused one of the cores to shut down. Also where the fuck has the Firewire port gone from the new MacBooks? The Firewire port is very useful on Macs with lots of firmware level stuff you can do with it, like target disk mode. Why they've seen fit to just remove a port that's been on every single Mac for years and years and is something people rely on whilst supporting them, is most inconsiderate of Apple.
Dilbert_X wrote:
Come to think of it, has MS created anything new ever?
Pretty much everything I can think of was ripped off from someone else.
Yet Microsoft have managed to make their products the markets leaders in all sectors. Doesn't that tell you something?
Office is better than all the competition. Which is why it's available for all platforms and is the most used product of that type on PC or Mac.
Active Directory, ok it's an LDAP ripoff (like all other widely used platforms providing directory services), is by far the best in the field.
Exchange, if you need email in a large coporate environment, it's damn good - whereas Apple Mail Server isn't (in fact it isn't even vaguely usable, even Apple don't use it in house).
So what if their products aren't the most innovative? They're the best. That's what counts.
