Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7195|Noizyland

Okay so I've been thinking recently about how PC gamers get a bit of a raw deal in the entertainment industry. I mean we have to fork over the price of a game, I'll say $100 just because that's what it usually is here, and no matter how good the game turns out to be we keep it. Imagine if it were the same for movies; instead of going to a theatre and paying the price of a movie ticket you'd instead pay the price of a new release DVD. Who buys full priced DVDs of movies they haven't seen? Same goes for Console gamers who have the luxury of being able to rent games instead of buying them.

Not so for PC gamers. There's reasons for that, PCs have the option of illegally copying games, there are various measures to try to prevent piracy and what have you and to be honest that's fair enough. But still PC gamers are at a huge disadvantage because of this. We can't try before we buy, we have to buy blind. It's like buying a car you've never driven.

So I was thinking of a solution to this. Now computer game rentals isn't a new idea, it was done in the past when PC gamers were more trustworthy. Now God knows the idea of offering a download of the full game for a limited period of time would be a software pirate's wet dream as getting through time limits or any restrictions would be a piece of cake. Suffice to say that something like that wouldn't work. Because I feel like using analogies today it's like if they let you into a movie theatre with a handycam.

BUT I was watching something a while ago, I'm not sure if any of you remember it I'm sure it was on this site. It was this game world with super-awesome graphics and the most super-awesome thing about it was that it was made with server-side 3D rendering, e.g. it wasn't your computer making the graphics it was another one that you were connected to. Essentially this means that the worst pile-of-shit PC could run Crysis on Ultra-High - something like that anyway.

I was thinking about how they do this and believe me I have very little idea about it but I was thinking what if they did the same kind of thing with full games? Surely it's possible to have your computer at home acting as a portal to the computer that's actually working the game. So if this is possible people wouldn't download a game to "rent" it as with my previous example, they'd simply pay to port into the server that has the game. In this way I think that PC games could be sucessfully "rented", (for want of a better term.)

Basically it's like a home-based internet cafe except I propose that instead of paying for time you'd instead pay to play a game. I'd happily pay $20, (NZD,) to play through Prototype once. I sure as Hell don't want to pay the $110 it's selling for.

So I guess what I'm proposing is a service that allows for people to play PC games without buying them. I think it would work on all levels, firstly PC gamers wouldn't have to pay for a full price game only to find out that it's shit, developers maybe wouldn't make the "sucker money" that they currently do but this would be made up by the fact that more people would be "renting" the games than would ever have bought the game and developers/publishers will make money that way. Games will still be sold as they are just like a console gamer buys a game that he liked after renting it or just like a person buys a DVD of a film he saw at the movies.

I hope I've been clear. This maybe a really shitty idea but I've only had my bottle of Famouse Grouse to bounce ideas off and I haven't quite drunken enough that it's giving me feedback, (yet.) If there's anything that needs clarification please ask, if there's any facts that make this idea completely and utterly retarded please don't hold back. I don't mind being called an idiot and I can always ban you.

Anyway I'm going to bed it's nearly midnight. I'll answer any questions later.

tl;dr: Read it you prick.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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david363
Crotch fires and you: the untold story
+314|7159|Comber, Northern Ireland
good idea! long read lol, but what you were saying about gettin to try the game before buying it, isnt that kinda like downloading the demo?
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6209|Catherine Black
Not a very good idea.

Spoiler (highlight to read):
I'll start reading it now
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Ultrafunkula
Hector: Ding, ding, ding, ding...
+1,975|6894|6 6 4 oh, I forget

A beautiful idea (just like communism ) but it prolly won't work (just like communism ).

I mean the hardware locked up somewhere should be something out of this world for it to give thousands/millions players the opportunity to play. Or am I wrong here? Buuut... Beta and demos are for us testers. And piratebay
Finray
Hup! Dos, Tres, Cuatro
+2,629|6209|Catherine Black
Meh, we get Demos from PC mags. Isn't that enough?
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Hakei
Banned
+295|6416
I think every game needs online abilities so companies sell CD keys, make a good game with a good MP and you'll make money, make an epic SP game and you'll have a tough time getting break even.
Mitch
16 more years
+877|6946|South Florida
i havent bought a pc game in a long time. besides l4d. which i bought because i wanted to play it immediatly rather than wait for the crack
15 more years! 15 more years!
Macbeth
Banned
+2,444|6006

Ty google "OnLive".
jsnipy
...
+3,277|6943|...

Macbeth wrote:

Ty google "OnLive".
I think that is ambitious. I can't imagine that you could get decent frame rates at good resolutions and control response. However, I'm sure as the internet improves this sort of thing will flourish.

I loath businesses that try to coral people in the subscription models.
Winston_Churchill
Bazinga!
+521|7159|Toronto | Canada

Internet speeds and bandwidths would need to improve for something like this.  I know I would never use it since it would likely sap a significant amount of bandwidth and reduce my speeds for other things quite a bit.
SEREMAKER
BABYMAKIN EXPERT √
+2,187|6989|Mountains of NC

$100

I've either been out the loop on buying computer games (last one was COD4 ) or you're getting ripped off or exchange rate FTL


awsm idea but theres always demos and every company should provide at least a 1 level or 1 8 man map demo
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CammRobb
Banned
+1,510|6551|Carnoustie MASSIF

Finray wrote:

get Demos from PC mags.
Tbh.
TimmmmaaaaH
Damn, I... had something for this
+725|6860|Brisbane, Australia

Macbeth wrote:

Ty google "OnLive".
Beat me to it.

Ty, OnLive is exactly what you described pretty much.
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TheDonkey
Eat my bearrrrrrrrrrr, Tonighttt
+163|6137|Vancouver, BC, Canada
But aren't demo version of the game the PC equivalents of said games?

And what about people with no/dialup internets that can't run remote rendering platforms?
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6998|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!
That shit is already there TY, at least some of my buddy have this thing..."Metaboli" google it...its some sort of portal that let you download game (Like steam) for a certain price a month, for that whole month you have paid every game of the list can be downloaded and played, but once your subscription end you can use em anymore. Sure some people could still crack it in the long run, but hey, people have hacked into Federal agencies computer before so meh. And yeah. afaik it does not allow shit computer to play Crysis on ultra but it let you rent a huge range of game for peanuts.
DUnlimited
got any popo lolo intersting?
+1,160|6884|cuntshitlake

Latency kills this sadly
main battle tank karthus medikopter 117 megamegapowershot gg
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7195|Noizyland

Good feedback gents.

Ultrafunkula, Finray, SERE & TheDonkey wrote:

Demos (and betas)
Honestly I think Demos have gone past their shelf life. A Demo gives you no more information than a trailer does. It lets you get a feel for the game sure but it doesn't divulge any plot elements or anything that can really help you make an educated decision on whether you're going to enjoy the game. There are exceptions of course - games like Left 4 Dead are ideally suited to demos. However games that are essentially interactive movies, (which more and more games are nowadays with graphics improving all the time,) a demo is not really going to deliver. To my way of thinking a demo is to a game what a movie trailer is for a film. Suffice to say that mostly I don't think a demo is enough to make me decide to buy a game. Opinions will differ on this.
Betas are the same as demos except they're not avaliable to everyone, (most of the time,) and they're unfinished products.

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Metaboli
Interesting, I hadn't heard of this. I'm surprised it works without being plagued with pirates. It's kind of what I'm getting at but what I'm talking about is more of a PC game box office. Just like you pay to see a movie once you pay to play a game through once - it's worth mentioning at this point that this model is mostly regarding SP games not multiplayer ones. I don't like the subscription models to be honest but that's just me, (and jsnipy it seems.) I also think that constantly downloading games is going to be a bitch on those with unreasonable data caps. I don't know how this would compare to accessing a "cloud", it may even be preferable but I don't know.

MacBeth & TimmmmaaaaH wrote:

OnLive
I had heard of this, I didn't know quite what it was. I don't think this is quite what I was getting at, as mentioned I'm thinking more a PC game box office. This is once again a subsciption service - it's pretty much the same as Metaboli except you don't download stuff. OnLive is more ambitious, it's aiming to revolutionise the gaming industry. All I'm suggesting is simply to give PC gamers a leg-up in areas where they don't have the same options as console gamers or movie goers. My idea wouldn't revolutionise the gaming industry to the same extent, games would still be sold as they are now it would just be possible to play games legally without buying your own copy.

jsnipy & DeathUnlimited wrote:

Latency
One thing OnLive does prove is that this kind of thing is possible. There are concerns about how much bandwidth is needed, I think they said that people would need 4-5mbps connections to fully utilise the service and people would need to live within 1,600 km of a facility. That's not much, with that you'd only need one facility in a place like New Zealand, (which is about 1,600km in length.) which is pretty good.
Anyway like jsnipy said this type of thing is only going to improve with technological advances.

SEREMAKER wrote:

$100
Yeah, welcome to NZ. Our dollar is worth approximately 65% of yours but that only comes to 50% when it comes to software for some reason. With Activision's price increases it's geting even more ridiculous - CoD:MW2 is retailing for $120, not to mention that prices don't decrease as fast as they do in other places. The BF2+SF box is still floating at around $50-70 NZD.
You can see with shit like this how I came to think that this idea is a good thing.

Cheers for the feedback.
[Blinking eyes thing]
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Amdi Peter
peut-être
+111|5968|paris
tl;dr

Spoiler (highlight to read):
j/k
Noobpatty
ʎʇʇɐdqoou
+194|6774|West NY
You're a thinker, Ty. If you think it'd be a success, try it.
NooBesT
Pizzahitler
+873|6889

Cloud computing?

I have hard time believing 5 Mbps is enough to transmit all the data the game needs...
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7195|Noizyland

Maybe not, I'm not in a position to answer that. I'm sure that one day it'll be a possibility though and if OnLive reckon they can do it then all the better.
[Blinking eyes thing]
Steam: http://steamcommunity.com/id/tzyon
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

NooBesT wrote:

Cloud computing?

I have hard time believing 5 Mbps is enough to transmit all the data the game needs...
I have a hard to believing that the majority of the world will be stuck in a 5mbps for a long time.

Google is investing heavily into cloud computing. I believe it to be inevitable.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
NooBesT
Pizzahitler
+873|6889

Kmarion wrote:

NooBesT wrote:

Cloud computing?

I have hard time believing 5 Mbps is enough to transmit all the data the game needs...
I have a hard to believing that the majority of the world will be stuck in a 5mbps for a long time.

Google is investing heavily into cloud computing. I believe it to be inevitable.
That's true, but I was referring to part of Ty's post:

Ty wrote:

There are concerns about how much bandwidth is needed, I think they said that people would need 4-5mbps connections to fully utilise the service and people would need to live within 1,600 km of a facility.

Last edited by NooBesT (2009-08-14 19:21:50)

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Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7021|132 and Bush

oh.. in that case absolutely.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Roger Lesboules
Ah ben tabarnak!
+316|6998|Abitibi-Temiscamingue. Québec!

Ty wrote:

Roger Lesboules wrote:

Metaboli
Interesting, I hadn't heard of this. I'm surprised it works without being plagued with pirates. It's kind of what I'm getting at but what I'm talking about is more of a PC game box office. Just like you pay to see a movie once you pay to play a game through once - it's worth mentioning at this point that this model is mostly regarding SP games not multiplayer ones. I don't like the subscription models to be honest but that's just me, (and jsnipy it seems.) I also think that constantly downloading games is going to be a bitch on those with unreasonable data caps. I don't know how this would compare to accessing a "cloud", it may even be preferable but I don't know.
Yeah, its a bitch for people like us with sucky to medium bandwidth cap...I got the 35go per month one...i do fine with it but easy to bust.

At least my buddy that use it seems to love it...but if you are like me someone that eat tru a game in non time...make the 4-5 go dl at each time a bitch.

Edited for fail at bbcode lawl!

Last edited by Roger Lesboules (2009-08-15 14:11:44)

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