Gaza War Crimes Investigation Over

2009-09-15 11:34:52

#1

Bertster7: Confused Pothead; +1,101|6984|SE London

Finally the results of the international investigation (by the Human Rights Council) into whether war crimes were committed in Gaza are in.
Both Hamas and the Israelis are found to have committed war crimes. Both sides are recommended to conduct their own investigations into these crimes and punish those responsible - or they will have the case referred to the International Criminal Courts.

Here are a few choice quotes:

Israel:

It "concludes that the Israeli military operation was directed at the people of Gaza as a whole, in furtherance of an overall and continuing policy aimed at punishing the Gaza population, and in a deliberate policy of disproportionate force aimed at the civilian population," said the UN statement.

Israel also "committed actions amounting to war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity".

The report said Israel must be held accountable for its actions during the war, a process which could lead to the conflict being referred to the International Criminal Court.

Hamas:

The report found there was also evidence that Palestinian groups had committed war crimes, and possibly crimes against humanity, in their repeated rockets and mortars attacks on Israel.

Suffice to say, both sides have been thoroughly condemned.

Usually a report like this would simply be ignored, but the Human Rights Council is gaining more and more power these days and mounting pressure from the US and EU means that this report has come at a time when it could have quite an impact. This report is also conducted by a prominent judge with a long background in judicial investigations - which gives it more weight than most of those published by human right groups.

2009-09-15 11:54:14

#2

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5988

Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.

2009-09-15 12:16:47

#3

henno13: A generally unremarkable member; +230|6751|Belfast

Macbeth wrote:
Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.

2009-09-15 12:37:42

#4

RAIMIUS: You with the face!; +244|7117|US

Both sides should investigate/punish those in their organizations responsible for war crimes. (common sense)
...not that I have much hope of that actually happening.

2009-09-15 12:38:46

#5

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7139|Salt Lake City

Macbeth wrote:
Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.

Sorry junior, but there are rules to war, and there have been rules for a very long time.

2009-09-15 12:39:22

#6

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.
Sorry junior, but there are rules to war, and there have been rules for a very long time.

sorry junior, only one side usually follows them. fact.

2009-09-15 12:47:17

#7

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7139|Salt Lake City

Red Forman wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.
Sorry junior, but there are rules to war, and there have been rules for a very long time.
sorry junior, only one side usually follows them. fact.

Irrelevant, and untrue. During most conflicts both sides break some those rules, not just one side. That doesn't mean that they shouldn't be adhered to, and those that break them shouldn't be held accountable.

2009-09-15 12:48:21

#8

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Red Forman wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:

Sorry junior, but there are rules to war, and there have been rules for a very long time.
sorry junior, only one side usually follows them. fact.
Irrelevant, and untrue.

lol.... how many conflicts have you been in? lol

2009-09-15 12:49:43

#9

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7139|Salt Lake City

Red Forman wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Red Forman wrote:

sorry junior, only one side usually follows them. fact.
Irrelevant, and untrue.
lol.... how many conflicts have you been in? lol

Does it matter? Show me one conflict where one side adhered strictly to the rules and the other did not.

2009-09-15 12:51:26

#10

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

ahhh i love when people who have never been in a war talk about the rules of war. no worries. continue. i wont bother you. consult wiki.

2009-09-15 12:52:17

#11

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7139|Salt Lake City

Red Forman wrote:
ahhh i love when people who have never been in a war talk about the rules of war. no worries. continue. i wont bother you. consult wiki.

In other words, you can't name a single conflict in which one side adhered to all the rules and the other did not. Didn't think so.

2009-09-15 12:53:42

#12

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

You mean to say what conflicts where one side broke the rules and got punished. dont try and paint me into a corner with your "all" BS.

2009-09-15 12:58:27

#13

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7139|Salt Lake City

Red Forman wrote:
You mean to say what conflicts where one side broke the rules and got punished. dont try and paint me into a corner with your "all" BS.

I said no such thing. I said, show me a conflict where only one side adhered to all the rules. Whether they got punished or not was not in my statement.

2009-09-15 12:59:46

#14

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Red Forman wrote:
You mean to say what conflicts where one side broke the rules and got punished. dont try and paint me into a corner with your "all" BS.
I said no such thing. I said, show me a conflict where only one side adhered to all the rules. Whether they got punished or not was not in my statement.

erm...my company had to follow the "rules" in iraq and afghan.

2009-09-15 13:01:54

#15

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5988

Rules to killing people

2009-09-15 13:03:11

#16

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

Macbeth wrote:
Rules to killing people

yup. it was even better when the iraqi soldiers dressed like civilians and fired from hospitals and such. or when the taliban dressed like women.

2009-09-15 13:04:09

#17

.Sup: be nice; +2,646|6856|The Twilight Zone

Red Forman wrote:
or when the taliban dressed like women.

lol for real?

https://www.shrani.si/f/3H/7h/45GTw71U/untitled-1.png

2009-09-15 13:05:12

#18

Red Forman: Banned; +402|5803

.Sup wrote:
Red Forman wrote:
or when the taliban dressed like women.
lol for real?

yep. happened all the time. some would carry bags of flour or whatever to make it look like they had a kid in their arms.

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2009-09-15 13:07:45

#19

Agent_Dung_Bomb: Member; +302|7139|Salt Lake City

Red Forman wrote:
Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Red Forman wrote:
You mean to say what conflicts where one side broke the rules and got punished. dont try and paint me into a corner with your "all" BS.
I said no such thing. I said, show me a conflict where only one side adhered to all the rules. Whether they got punished or not was not in my statement.
erm...my company had to follow the "rules" in iraq and afghan.

And again, I never said everyone on both sides broke rules, only that both sides, as a whole, don't adhere to all the rules.

This also strays from my original point to Mac, that there are rules and they are usually a good thing. He was saying that rules are stupid and that a country/group should be allowed to use whatever means is necessary to win a war.

2009-09-15 13:52:58

#20

Jay: Bork! Bork! Bork!; +2,006|5761|London, England

Agent_Dung_Bomb wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.
Sorry junior, but there are rules to war, and there have been rules for a very long time.

The rules should only apply when both sides heed them. In cases where one side chooses to ignore the Rules of War then they forfeit any rights that would come with obeying the laws.

"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat

2009-09-15 14:09:51

#21

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6958

Macbeth wrote:
Silly International Courts. It was War, things happen on both sides. A country should be able to do what is necessary to to win a war against another nation.

Like what Hitler did, for instance?

2009-09-15 14:44:35

#22

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5988

It could be argued that the killing of the jews was just a continution of nazi peace time ideals and methods. It could also be said that killing them was a better method od dealing with them then providing housing during a large war or realsing them for them to turn hostile and attack later on in the war. I myself would say that killing civilians happens in war all the time whether on purpse or by accident, the nazis were just more organnized and frank about it. Forgive my spelling I am on a BB in class.

2009-09-15 14:47:08

#23

Macbeth: Banned; +2,444|5988

Further more it is unrealstic to fight a war with a hand behind your back because you are trying to protect the lives of the hostile states civs.

2009-09-15 14:48:34

#24

CameronPoe: Member; +2,925|6958

Macbeth wrote:
It could be argued that the killing of the jews was just a continution of nazi peace time ideals and methods. It could also be said that killing them was a better method od dealing with them then providing housing during a large war or realsing them for them to turn hostile and attack later on in the war. I myself would say that killing civilians happens in war all the time whether on purpse or by accident, the nazis were just more organnized and frank about it. Forgive my spelling I am on a BB in class.

Erm. Sexual enslavement of 34,000 females, the indiscriminate firing of V2 rockets at London, the execution of Russian and Polish PoWs, etc., are justifiable in the context of the fact that 'they wanted to win'? What a laugh.

2009-09-15 14:54:07

#25

Kmar: Truth is my Bitch; +5,695|7003|132 and Bush

CameronPoe wrote:
Macbeth wrote:
It could be argued that the killing of the jews was just a continution of nazi peace time ideals and methods. It could also be said that killing them was a better method od dealing with them then providing housing during a large war or realsing them for them to turn hostile and attack later on in the war. I myself would say that killing civilians happens in war all the time whether on purpse or by accident, the nazis were just more organnized and frank about it. Forgive my spelling I am on a BB in class.
Erm. Sexual enslavement of 34,000 females, the indiscriminate firing of V2 rockets at London, the execution of Russian and Polish PoWs, etc., are justifiable in the context of the fact that 'they wanted to win'? What a laugh.

If I wasn't shuddering I'd probably laugh.

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