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2009-09-21 10:57:37

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

Because my current graphics card runs burning-hot (past 100 *C) under load, I was hoping of getting a better, and hopefully cooler-running graphics card for Christmas. The overclocking features on my motherboard have been permanently disabled by the manufacturer (Gateway) making any kind of overclock to solve any bottleneck impossible. Will my C2Q Q9400 running on it's stock 2.66 GHz bottleneck a single GeForce GTX 285? Is a Corsair TX 750 (750W) PSU enough to power it? My motherboard only has a single PCIe 2.0 x16 slot, making SLI physically impossible. Approximately how much faster is a GTX 285 than a Radeon HD 4850?

Personally, I would wait for the next-generation DX11 cards to come out, but without any ability to overclock, or buy a new processor without voiding the warranty, I would be left with a terrible bottleneck and probably lesser performance than with my current GPU. The new Core i9 processors are probably the only CPU's capable of correctly running the GeForce GTX 300 and Radeon HD 5000 series cards.

Is there any way of telling if I have a CPU/GPU bottleneck?

Use this link to see my system specs.

http://shopper.cnet.com/4507-3118_9-333 … ain-full-l

2009-09-21 11:09:32

Benzin: Member; +576|6259

ISortGlass wrote:
Because my current graphics card runs burning-hot (past 100 *C) under load, I was hoping of getting a better, and hopefully cooler-running graphics card for Christmas. The overclocking features on my motherboard have been permanently disabled by the manufacturer (Gateway) making any kind of overclock to solve any bottleneck impossible. Will my C2Q Q9400 running on it's stock 2.66 GHz bottleneck a single GeForce GTX 285? Is a Corsair TX 750 (750W) PSU enough to power it? My motherboard only has a single PCIe 2.0 x16 slot, making SLI physically impossible. Approximately how much faster is a GTX 285 than a Radeon HD 4850?

Personally, I would wait for the next-generation DX11 cards to come out, but without any ability to overclock, or buy a new processor without voiding the warranty, I would be left with a terrible bottleneck and probably lesser performance than with my current GPU. The new Core i9 processors are probably the only CPU's capable of correctly running the GeForce GTX 300 and Radeon HD 5000 series cards.

Is there any way of telling if I have a CPU/GPU bottleneck?

Use this link to see my system specs.

http://shopper.cnet.com/4507-3118_9-333 … ain-full-l

I am curious about this, too. I intend on buying the EXACT same CPU next spring and I would be curious if an HD 5xxx would be compatible with the CPU at all, or if I should bite the bullet and get a better quad-core.

2009-09-21 14:27:51

TopHat01: Limitless; +117|6165|CA

Depends on the games you play, but generally you'll see a significant performance increase with a 285 over a 4850, regardless of a potential bottleneck or not.

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2009-09-21 16:08:20

The_Sniper_NM: Official EVGA Fanboy; +94|6374|SC | USA |

Bottlenecks are overstated and overused excuses. Your Q9400 will even run a 300 series. Usually, the next generation is twice is fast as the old (Or close, think 8800GTX -> GTX 280. 128-240 SP) The only problem you would notice would be too small an upgrade if you went sli 300 series cards. That's it. You won't magically go down to 5 fps because you CPU "can't handle" the cards.

I ran 2 8800GTS 512s in sli (which are very close to a GTX 280) on an E8400 and was pretty happy.

Core i7/i9 help mostly with sli/xfire scaling, which considering your motherboard, you do not need to worry about. Stick with your 4850 and get the next step down in the line up. (5850, GTX 350)

2009-09-21 16:12:23

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6674|Finland

Don't worry about things yet. Come back asking more when you are going to upgrade in < couple weeks timeframe. We'll have hard facts about performance of new cards by then.

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2009-09-21 16:16:01

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

I was told that you can tell if your CPU is a bottleneck when you are playing a game and it is running at 100% capacity on all cores. When I run Crysis, it say's in windows task manager that it's only at 50-60% capacity using about 4GB of my 6GB of RAM. But I'm running optimal settings (all high spec) on 1024x768 resolution. I haven't tried very high yet. My computer seems to be able to run Crysis much faster and easier than it can S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky. Which has a far less demanding graphics engine. My GPU is a friggin' toaster! The highest I've seen the temperature is 110 *C. I heard that the stock cooler on the HD 4850 is absolute crap. Maybe getting a different graphics card, preferably with a better cooler, will solve this problem. Are there any GPU's which are sold with aftermarket coolers already built into them? Vapor-X?

Crysis and Crysis Warhead actually run extremely well. A lot better than Clear Sky for some reason.

2009-09-21 16:29:03

farmerfez: o wut?; +78|6790

ISortGlass wrote:
I was told that you can tell if your CPU is a bottleneck when you are playing a game and it is running at 100% capacity on all cores. When I run Crysis, it say's in windows task manager that it's only at 50-60% capacity using about 4GB of my 6GB of RAM. But I'm running optimal settings (all high spec) on 1024x768 resolution. I haven't tried very high yet. My computer seems to be able to run Crysis much faster and easier than it can S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky. Which has a far less demanding graphics engine. My GPU is a friggin' toaster! The highest I've seen the temperature is 110 *C. I heard that the stock cooler on the HD 4850 is absolute crap. Maybe getting a different graphics card, preferably with a better cooler, will solve this problem. Are there any GPU's which are sold with aftermarket coolers already built into them? Vapor-X?

Crysis and Crysis Warhead actually run extremely well. A lot better than Clear Sky for some reason.

Nvidia>ATi as far as heating goes

2009-09-21 17:20:41

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

I really don't give much mind about resolution. My monitor only goes to 720p. I really don't see a major difference in game eye candy with high resolutions. Your FPS goes straight to hell on 720 and 1080p resolutions. We're talking about the difference between 60+ FPS on mid-resolutions, and 8-12 FPS on very high resolutions with the very same graphical settings. That, combined with AA, will take most GPU's past their limit.

My HD4850 gets burning hot enough as it is. I don't think it's good, or safe to run today's games absolutely maxed out. I might have a fire.

2009-09-21 18:10:52

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

jamiet757 wrote:
You're using an HDTV for your monitor? There is absolutely a huge difference in resolutions in games. Just because the settings are the same does not mean it will not look better. You get more pixels, so you get more detail. I agree, if your card is shitte it is better to have higher FPS, but if you are getting over 50 FPS there is no point, your eye can only see a difference up to about 36 FPS, but round that up a little to make it look perfect. So if you are running at 200 FPS with crappy settings, try bumping it up a bit.

Also, you aren't going to set your card on fire, although you might burn it up and it would die. How is the airflow in your case? Have you tried blowing the dust off the card?

I have a Gateway FX gaming desktop. The one with the Core 2 quad. I cannot find any information about it on the internet because that particular model has been discontinued by Gateway. I know that it has a small fan in the back, and a vent on the side panel for the CPU cooler. There are no other fans other than the tiny one on the back of the case, and the stock CPU/GPU fans. There is no airflow as far as I can see. I wanted to buy a coolermaster HAF 932 and have all my parts taken out of my current case, and put into the new one. However this would void the warranty according to the store I bought it from. I have to wait another 1 1/2 years to do this.

2009-09-21 20:28:55

Wallpaper: ☺; +303|6254|The pool

CPU will not bottleneck. If you have the money, waiting for the GT300 and HD5xxx would be a huge step up, and FPS wise you would stay happy for quite a while longer if the cards live up to the hype.

[sidenote]
I dont know about you guys but the difference between 30 FPS and 60 is quite large, especially if you do not have motion blur enabled. Your eyes are most definitely not limited to seeing 36 (whered the 6 come from?) FPS. Even if for some reason you dont SEE the difference, you will feel it because controls and response will be more sluggish than a perfect 60. I believe we can see past 60, I mean if we didnt, a 60 Hz CRT monitor wouldnt bother us, would it?
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2009-09-21 23:59:55

Benzin: Member; +576|6259

Thanks to Jamie and Sniper for the great posts!

2009-09-22 06:19:15

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

Didn't the Radeon HD 5000 series just come out today?

2009-09-22 06:55:44

Benzin: Member; +576|6259

ISortGlass wrote:
Didn't the Radeon HD 5000 series just come out today?

If I recall it doesn't hit shelves until sometime in October. Go read the DX11 thread and see for yourself. Panzer's been on that shit like Freezer and an old speaker set.

Last edited by CapnNismo (2009-09-22 06:56:22)

2009-09-22 07:04:15

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6674|Finland

NDA ends tomorrow. Availability is going to be as soon as stocks get filled.

HD5870 price

HD5850 price

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2009-09-22 08:41:15

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

When do the Core i9 processors come out?

2009-09-22 09:59:31

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6674|Finland

If you have performance difference of 60fps vs 200fps in a game X, the slower could get too slow for a new game where as the faster keeps going at well playable fps.

So, 60 vs 200 makes huge difference. thats almost 4x performance difference. If you are buying a gfx thinking only about what game you play now and not the one you are likely to play in future will result in problems.

Last edited by GC_PaNzerFIN (2009-09-22 10:01:44)

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2009-09-22 11:36:00

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

Putting a Radeon HD 4870 in with my current CPU, I would notice extremely little, to absolutely no performance boost in games like Crysis, Clear Sky, Far Cry 2, etc... I think the Core i9's will be the only processors capable of correctly using the DX11 graphics cards.

A single HD 5870 has more throughput than a GTX 295 and 4870 X2. The only thing I would get by upgrading to a DX11 GPU is more heat, more power consumption, and a lighter wallet. However, if I combined it with a Ci9, my FPS and graphical performance would be several times than it would be with my current C2Q.

2009-09-22 11:51:07

GC_PaNzerFIN: Work and study @ Technical Uni; +528|6674|Finland

ISortGlass wrote:
Putting a Radeon HD 4870 in with my current CPU, I would notice extremely little, to absolutely no performance boost in games like Crysis, Clear Sky, Far Cry 2, etc... I think the Core i9's will be the only processors capable of correctly using the DX11 graphics cards.

A single HD 5870 has more throughput than a GTX 295 and 4870 X2. The only thing I would get by upgrading to a DX11 GPU is more heat, more power consumption, and a lighter wallet. However, if I combined it with a Ci9, my FPS and graphical performance would be several times than it would be with my current C2Q.

No....

i9 won't be much faster in games.

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2009-09-22 19:33:56

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

I have to wait another 1 1/2 years for the warranty on my computer to expire before I can do anything to solve my biggest problems with it. Such as buying a new CPU, motherboard, and high airflow case. It's currently being repaired under warranty work, (I think the hard drive broke) I won't have it for another "Two to Four weeks."

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2009-09-22 19:45:34

Wallpaper: ☺; +303|6254|The pool

ISortGlass wrote:
I have to wait another 1 1/2 years for the warranty on my computer to expire before I can do anything to solve my biggest problems with it. Such as buying a new CPU, motherboard, and high airflow case. It's currently being repaired under warranty work, (I think the hard drive broke) I won't have it for another "Two to Four weeks."

You shouldnt have to wait a year and a half to upgrade, if you are decent with computers, or ask around here, you can get help way faster and free. After 30 seconds of googling, Ive found that STALKER for some peoples systems is more demanding than Crysis, and generally runs like poo on any system. Try disabling enhanced lighting or running it in DX9 mode.

Airflow and motherboard I can understand, but where are you getting the idea that your CPU is bottlenecking, or will bottleneck your system when you upgrade?

EDIT: Get the latest patch for STALKER too, it apparently provides a fair performance increase.

Last edited by Wallpaper (2009-09-22 19:47:01)

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2009-09-22 20:06:11

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

Upgrading my case or CPU will void the warranty according to the tech department at the store I bought my PC from.

2009-09-22 20:21:01

Catbox: forgiveness; +505|6976

Your processor and motherboard should have factory warranties...
Did you buy an extended warranty for your comp?
It sounds like the store might be trying to snow you on warranty voiding...?

Comp parts are pretty reliable and the parts usually become obsolete before they wear out...
I have a q9400/8800gtx/4gb/winxp and i am planning on getting a 5000 series or nvidia equivalent in Nov/Dec
(Might get a 920/5000/8gb/win7 system depending on money situation)
I have the Crysis demo and it runs fine.... 40-60fps...(1280x1024 for now)
Are you going to upgrade to Win7?

Love is the answer

2009-09-23 01:03:21

Benzin: Member; +576|6259

I think ISortGlass is really just searching for a solution to bitch and whine and at the same time flaunt how much money he can spend on a whim. Or Mommy and Daddy are telling him it will void his warranty and he has to wait.

2009-09-23 19:24:49

ISortGlass: Banned; +2|5618

jamiet757 wrote:
ISortGlass wrote:
I was told that you can tell if your CPU is a bottleneck when you are playing a game and it is running at 100% capacity on all cores. When I run Crysis, it say's in windows task manager that it's only at 50-60% capacity using about 4GB of my 6GB of RAM. But I'm running optimal settings (all high spec) on 1024x768 resolution. I haven't tried very high yet. My computer seems to be able to run Crysis much faster and easier than it can S.T.A.L.K.E.R. Clear Sky. Which has a far less demanding graphics engine. My GPU is a friggin' toaster! The highest I've seen the temperature is 110 *C. I heard that the stock cooler on the HD 4850 is absolute crap. Maybe getting a different graphics card, preferably with a better cooler, will solve this problem. Are there any GPU's which are sold with aftermarket coolers already built into them? Vapor-X?

Crysis and Crysis Warhead actually run extremely well. A lot better than Clear Sky for some reason.
Eww.. that is because you are running it at 1024x768. How can you stand to do anything at that res?

My monitor only goes up to a maximum of 1600x1200.

2009-09-23 19:28:39

jsnipy: ...; +3,277|6783|...

CapnNismo wrote:
flaunt how much money he can spend on a whim. Or Mommy and Daddy are telling him it will void his warranty and he has to wait.

ISortGlass wrote:
My monitor only goes up to a maximum of 1600x1200.

lol I seriously doubt it

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