Nationals. Only slightly less hated than the Liberals.Spark wrote:
In any event the biggie is in December. In other news the National Party can go suck a fat one.
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No, I don't mind the Liberals and I think Turnbull is a smart guy. The Nationals, on the other hand, strike me as self-centred pricks who have never heard of the words "national interest".AussieReaper wrote:
Nationals. Only slightly less hated than the Liberals.Spark wrote:
In any event the biggie is in December. In other news the National Party can go suck a fat one.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Turnbull is a pretty smart guy, but he is battling a bunch of sceptics on his own team. I cant help think he joined the wrong team when he got into politics. As for the Nationals, they are a bunch of redneck country boys that enjoy rogering their own sisters, so I guess you cant expect too much from them.
Until now they refused to make any real concessions at all, so this is a pretty big step. As Bertster said, the details of the plan is still coming so that will fill in the gaps.Kmarion wrote:
When I see the details of an actual plan along with some implementation then I might give them an addboy. Till then .. woop dee doo.
It is worth noting that China allocated $440 billion towards renewables in the stimulus package announced in May. I think thats shows a pretty convincing commitment. source
Great. Their energy intensity (energy used per unit of GDP) is horrible.
I still want to see specific details.
I still want to see specific details.
Xbone Stormsurgezz
Smart Meters... They sound ok in theory and I am very conscious of not wasting energy....
even without someone keeping an eye on what i use...
http://poorrepublican.today.com/2009/03 … he-switch/
and spyplanes in the UK to see who is using too much energy? Nothing to worry about right?
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/16 … y_abusers/
Who is going to pay for all these smart meters... taxpayers...us.
We need common sense solutions to energy and pollution solutions... not soaring rhetoric and massive taxes for half baked solutions...
even without someone keeping an eye on what i use...
http://poorrepublican.today.com/2009/03 … he-switch/
and spyplanes in the UK to see who is using too much energy? Nothing to worry about right?
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/16 … y_abusers/
Who is going to pay for all these smart meters... taxpayers...us.
We need common sense solutions to energy and pollution solutions... not soaring rhetoric and massive taxes for half baked solutions...
Love is the answer
This is common sense. Only paying for the energy you actually use and knowing when and where you use your power strikes me as common sense.[TUF]Catbox wrote:
Smart Meters... They sound ok in theory and I am very conscious of not wasting energy....
even without someone keeping an eye on what i use...
http://poorrepublican.today.com/2009/03 … he-switch/
and spyplanes in the UK to see who is using too much energy? Nothing to worry about right?
http://www.redorbit.com/news/science/16 … y_abusers/
Who is going to pay for all these smart meters... taxpayers...us.
We need common sense solutions to energy and pollution solutions... not soaring rhetoric and massive taxes for half baked solutions...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Yeah , I do too. Thing is, if their GDP increases a lot, it may actually mean a net increase in CO2 I think, so I am not under the illusion that its perfect, but it is a pretty solid start.Kmarion wrote:
Great. Their energy intensity (energy used per unit of GDP) is horrible.
I still want to see specific details.
Smart meters are a good idea, especially for businesses.
Peak consumption is a pain to deal with from the production and distribution point of view, because to have the capacity available to deal with peak demand means its ticking over at lower efficiency at other times - and obviously you have to build it in the first place.
(Campoe can explain this better)
If smart meters can help iron out peak demand that would be a good thing all round, I don't care if the govt knows when I switch my AC on.
Peak consumption is a pain to deal with from the production and distribution point of view, because to have the capacity available to deal with peak demand means its ticking over at lower efficiency at other times - and obviously you have to build it in the first place.
(Campoe can explain this better)
If smart meters can help iron out peak demand that would be a good thing all round, I don't care if the govt knows when I switch my AC on.
Fuck Israel
Very true.Kmarion wrote:
Great. Their energy intensity (energy used per unit of GDP) is horrible.
I still want to see specific details.
By my reckoning relative rates are about:
0.77 China
0.4 US
0.29 Japan
0.25 EU
China have a lot of making up to do...
But should mean it's fairly easy for them to make vast cuts...
We'll probably know more after Copenhagen, but I wouldn't be surprised if China were to push for quotas to be linked to GDP growth, rather than actual GDP. In which case, things look far more favourable for them...
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