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Moonstruck: Making one giant thud for mankind

By SETH BORENSTEIN and ALICIA CHANG (AP) – 6 hours ago

WASHINGTON — For as long as man has looked up, the moon has inspired romance, poetry and songs. Man also likes blowing things up. Now we get to do both — in the name of science.

The aim of Friday's deliberate crash of two unmanned NASA spacecraft into the moon is to see if they can kick up some ice. It is the 20th lunar crash, most of them done on purpose, since the Russians first did it 50 years ago last month.

And that doesn't count the eight times we tried and somehow missed the moon or couldn't get off the ground.

For more than a century, the idea of Earthlings taking a swipe at the moon has permeated popular culture. The most enduring image is from the 1902 classic movie, "A Trip to the Moon," in which a bullet-like rocket wincingly lodges in the eye of the man in the moon.

As much as we like to gaze at the moon, we like stirring things up even more. It's the specialty of the hit show "Mythbusters" and the aptly named show "Destroyed in Seconds."

Friday's first smack: a 2.2-ton empty rocket stage crashing into the moon at twice the speed of a bullet, equal to the power of 1.5 tons of TNT, followed four minutes later with a smaller hit. As planned, the probe sent by NASA had separated into the two pieces Thursday night.

For those fearing that the crashes like Friday's could cause the moon to shift its orbit or send huge chunks back to Earth, agency scientists have some words of comfort.

They say such crashes have no more effect on the moon than an eyelash dropping on a jet. Sure the impact may seem big, but so is the moon.

This also is something that happens four times a month to the moon, said Dan Andrews, the head of this NASA lunar crash mission. The only difference is that those hits are from naturally occurring space rocks.

No one personifies the blow-'em-up-in-the-name-of-science more than Brown University geologist Peter Schultz, a scientist who worked on NASA's similar purposeful crash into a comet in 2005. He's a regular cosmic crasher in the name of science — and jollies.

"Whenever these things happen, the first thing that comes out of your mouth is 'Geez,'" Schultz said. "I've got the neatest job in the world."

It's human nature to blow things up and dissect what happens, Schultz said Thursday from the Vertical Gun Range at NASA's Ames Research Center.

"There's a reason you drop pumpkins off a 30-story building," he told The Associated Press.

He won't say whether he's done that — but he has shot eggs out of jet engines into the ground to see what happens to the shells. And then there's this don't-do-this-at-home moment from his boyhood: He put a firecracker into an ant mound and took pictures of the flying ants during the explosion.

Schultz later got a telescope and fell in love with the moon and its craters. He planned to look at the crash with spacecraft cameras capable of 1 million frames per second — getting millisecond-by-millisecond details of the violence.

NASA's plan, which often mistakenly was called "bombing the moon," has generated lots of late-night humor and even some outrage.

David Letterman, who has dropped watermelons off Manhattan rooftops, has riffed on it repeatedly. He speculated on a counterattack by the moon with his own NASA-like animation and then compared it to the U.S. war in Iraq, as an attack-first, ask-questions-later scenario.

Others aren't completely joking about their concerns.

Novelist Amy Ephron doesn't understand the hoopla surrounding NASA's moon crash and wondered whether the public would be as excited about the mission if a country like Iran were in charge.

Ephron created a "Help Save the Moon" Twitter campaign — part tongue-in-cheek and part serious — to prevent future lunar dustups and to start a debate about who owns the moon.

"I really am a pacifist. I don't like the idea of sending a missile to Afghanistan or to Iraq or to the moon," said Ephron, while stressing that she's not against space exploration.

Still the moon beckons as an inviting target.

NASA's Andrews said his 12-year-old son was out gazing at the sky a couple months ago and came back and told him: "Look, Dad, it's taunting you."
Pretty dope, if you ask me.

Novelist Amy Ephron doesn't understand the hoopla surrounding NASA's moon crash and wondered whether the public would be as excited about the mission if a country like Iran were in charge.

Ephron created a "Help Save the Moon" Twitter campaign — part tongue-in-cheek and part serious — to prevent future lunar dustups and to start a debate about who owns the moon.

"I really am a pacifist. I don't like the idea of sending a missile to Afghanistan or to Iraq or to the moon," said Ephron, while stressing that she's not against space exploration.
That's the best part right there, though. Hahahaha
1927
The oldest chav in the world
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Does sound clever, without turning this off topic or in to a spamathon, just imagine if lil green men wanted to do that to our planet, ignoring the fact we got lakes and seas and whatnot.  Just think about it for a second.
Kmar
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I posted this earlier.

and btw, in case you missed it a couple weeks ago..
http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/20 … ater_N.htm

there are lunar parties all around the country getting ready to watch this.

https://i34.tinypic.com/10yg9jq.jpg
Astronomy buffs young and old eagerly await the LCROSS impact at NASA Ames Research Center.


Great success..
https://i33.tinypic.com/inshvs.jpg
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Finally, people are starting to listen to particle physicists. "Want to see what's inside? Blow it up, THAT'll tell you what's inside!"
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Kmar
Truth is my Bitch
+5,695|7019|132 and Bush

This is the place to be right now .

Panorama of the early LCROSS scene at NASA Ames Research Center

Ive been following lcross on twitter since it launched.
https://i33.tinypic.com/20tl7jb.jpg

I cant wait to see all of the photos.

The LCROSS mission provides a rare and unique opportunity for the amateur community to contribute directly to the science of a NASA mission.

When the LCROSS Centaur upper stage impacts the south pole of the Moon on October 9, 2009 at approximately 4:30 a.m. PDT, the ejecta plume may be observable in 10” and larger telescopes for a few minutes after impact as the ejecta reaches sunlight above the target crater. Amateur astronomers that can take high-resolution images, video, spectra, etc. of the Moon will be able to contribute to the LCROSS mission.
Tune in in a couple of hours..
http://www.nasa.gov/multimedia/nasatv/index.html
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Kmar
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It will be too light out for me..

the west coast however,

http://www.spaceflightnow.com/lcross/09 … index.html

More interesting stuff here. http://spaceflightnow.com/lcross/status.html
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1927
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Kmar - Why they doing it?

Yeah thats ice, that means there is water under the surface. 

Right, now what?
Kmar
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1927 wrote:

Kmar - Why they doing it?

Yeah thats ice, that means there is water under the surface. 

Right, now what?
Why are the looking for water? "The LCROSS mission will help determine if there is water hidden in the permanently dark craters of one of the moon's poles. If there are substantial amounts of water ice there, it could be used by astronauts to make rocket fuel when they later visit the moon."



I hope the fog clears, "Possible live footage from the University of Hawaii, 88-inch telescope on Mauna Kea. ".
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1927
The oldest chav in the world
+2,423|7092|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

Kmarion wrote:

1927 wrote:

Kmar - Why they doing it?

Yeah thats ice, that means there is water under the surface. 

Right, now what?
Why are the looking for water? "The LCROSS mission will help determine if there is water hidden in the permanently dark craters of one of the moon's poles. If there are substantial amounts of water ice there, it could be used by astronauts to make rocket fuel when they later visit the moon."



I hope the fog clears, "Possible live footage from the University of Hawaii, 88-inch telescope on Mauna Kea. ".
Ahh sorry.  I get it now.
Kmar
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check it (if a spot opens up)
http://www.livestream.com/mmtobservatorylcross
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1927
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+2,423|7092|Cardiff, Capital of Wales

Kmarion wrote:

check it (if a spot opens up)
http://www.livestream.com/mmtobservatorylcross
Nuffin happening on my screen when I click it, I gotta be careful I dont slow the network up here anyway.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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Take that you fucking moon, up in that sky changing shape, causing tides and and centuries of conflict
Red Forman
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yay......79 million we cant get back.  stupid shit.
Mekstizzle
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Actually it's an important step towards creating a viable base on the moon. Not really a waste of money.
Red Forman
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Actually it's an important step towards creating a viable base on the moon. Not really a waste of money.
and build that base with what money?  fuck sakes.  cant believe you buy into that crap.
13urnzz
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Red Forman wrote:

yay......79 million we cant get back.  stupid shit.
i thought you were a fan of spaceflight?
AussieReaper
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Should have used more explosives.
https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Red Forman
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burnzz wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

yay......79 million we cant get back.  stupid shit.
i thought you were a fan of spaceflight?
i like watching it sure......but can live without it.
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7039|London, England

Red Forman wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

Actually it's an important step towards creating a viable base on the moon. Not really a waste of money.
and build that base with what money?  fuck sakes.  cant believe you buy into that crap.
No for fuck sake. All I said was that the mission is an important step towards creating a viable base on the moon. I didn't say it was a mission to establish a base on the moon, that's decades away. But stuff like this paves the way. The base would cost much more than 70-odd million.
AussieReaper
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Red Forman wrote:

burnzz wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

yay......79 million we cant get back.  stupid shit.
i thought you were a fan of spaceflight?
i like watching it sure......but can live without it.
Could you live without television/internet/phone?

Thanks to satellites all these services are greatly enhanced.

So next time you watch a sporting event from around the globe, use google maps, or phone your neighbour, remember to thank space flight!

https://i.imgur.com/maVpUMN.png
Red Forman
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moon base....thats great.  thats what we need.
Red Forman
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AussieReaper wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

burnzz wrote:

i thought you were a fan of spaceflight?
i like watching it sure......but can live without it.
Could you live without television/internet/phone?

Thanks to satellites all these services are greatly enhanced.

So next time you watch a sporting event from around the globe, use google maps, or phone your neighbour, remember to thank space flight!

i didnt say spaceflight in relation to sats and such.  dont need a fucking moon base.  see the difference?

Last edited by Red Forman (2009-10-09 06:28:28)

Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7039|London, England

Red Forman wrote:

moon base....thats great.  thats what we need.
That'll be decades off, but establishing a base in outerspace like that is still a huge step for humanity. It all adds up in the bigger picture of things.
13urnzz
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Red Forman wrote:

moon base....thats great.  thats what we need.
"we"? i think 'we' as in a species. "I" am certainly not gonna live to see it.

Red Forman for President, then you can have a say in the direction of the program. And, many others too!
Red Forman
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Mekstizzle wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

moon base....thats great.  thats what we need.
That'll be decades off, but establishing a base in outerspace like that is still a huge step for humanity. It all adds up in the bigger picture of things.
then humanity can pay for it next time.....

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