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2009-10-15 13:34:58
Red Forman
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CameronPoe wrote:

Red Forman wrote:

ugh...yes cam, i have no idea how long it takes to get troops and equip to and from a warzone.  youre the expert there.
Well why did you make such a flippantly ignorant remark then if you 'know how long it takes to get troops and equip to and from a warzone'? You implied it would take two weeks.
because deployments are still happening.  new equip is heading to iraq everyday.  it doesnt take that long to reverse the course.  sure as hell have started already.  what is happening now started before bush left.  like i said, continuing what bush has done.

oh..and its just a figure of speech.  like 5 minutes to do something....which 99% of the time always takes longer than 5 minutes.

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2009-10-15 13:37:16
CameronPoe
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Full post which you appear to have missed:

Well why did you make such a flippantly ignorant remark then if you 'know how long it takes to get troops and equip to and from a warzone'? You implied it would take two weeks. When he starts missing milestones on his 'all out by 2011' step by step plan then I'll complain more than I do (I think Obama is quasi-full of shit myself, just like most politicians, I just think he's less evil and underhand than George Bush & friends and he hasn't yet given me concrete evidence to suggest otherwise).
2009-10-15 13:38:30
CameronPoe
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Afterthought: it's amazing how much negativity there is in this thread from Americans about the fact people are beginning to hate America less/like America more. Bizarre.

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2009-10-15 13:39:00
Red Forman
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i didnt miss it.  just like your only explanation for someone who has a super majority and the popularity of obama is red tape when it comes to wire taps and rendition.
2009-10-15 13:40:31
CameronPoe
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Red Forman wrote:

i didnt miss it.  just like your only explanation for someone who has a super majority and the popularity of obama is red tape when it comes to wire taps and rendition.
Wire taps is your internal problem. It doesn't affect me. Rendition is a European problem - the accomplices - and we have stamped it out. I don't know whether Obama does or does not endorse it or has used it while in office. If he does then he is not much better than Bush and should be rightly derided for it.

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2009-10-15 14:41:57
lowing
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CameronPoe wrote:

lowing wrote:

CameronPoe wrote:


Rome wasn't built in a day and our goodwill at grassroots level won't last forever, don't you worry about that - hence the helpful reminder from the man in the pub. I forgot how well Bush worked out for ye all, thanks for the reminder....
Not a single attack since 911 Cam, seems to have worked out pretty well so far.

Shutting a prison down does not seem like the same effort as "building Rome". But whatever, it takes to keep telling yourself you have no love affair with this administration, giving him as much time and patience as he needs. and why? Because he has weakened America, just like Europe wants.
I just love how Europeans can so easily wrap their lips around a liar, full of broken campaign promises, and you don't even like the guy.
'Not a single attack'. lol. Over 4,000 American lives claimed in Iraq and Afghanistan, hundreds dead in Madrid and London, the Taliban and Al Qaeda pushed into and destabilising nuclear-capable Pakistan and all for a very reasonable 3 trillion dollars - hoorah for Bush!!! I suppose IEDs don't count as attacks and American soldiers don't count as American citizens... they're just cannon fodder.....

If he hasn't fully withdrawn from Iraq by the end of his first term then he'll be shown up for what many suspect him to be. It'll take a good deal longer than just 9 months to fix all the problems he has inherited. If he isn't showing tangible results by the end of year 2 then he is just all air. How ludicrous of me to afford a new regime more than a millisecond to fix everything though, what must I be thinking.....
Been discussed already you self righteous ass. There is a difference between a soldier dying in a war zone and an attack on innocent civilians.
2009-10-15 16:06:09
Hurricane2k9
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Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
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2009-10-15 16:07:46
lowing
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
No, the topic is Europe's love affair with the Obama administration for absolutely no reason at all. the guy hasn't done anything and in fact is continuing the same things Bush is hated for. All they are doing is trying to find a way to reason it.

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2009-10-15 16:10:35
Doctor Strangelove
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
Once I saw a youtube flame-war about the same thing in the comments for the The Good, The Bad, And The Ugly finale.
2009-10-15 16:26:37
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7020|London, England

lowing wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
No, the topic is Europes love affair with the Obama administratyion for absolutely no reason at all. the guy hasn't done anything and infact is continuing the same things Bush is hated for. All they are doing is trying to find a way to reason it.
It doesn't even make sense that people would like him better than Bush for no reason at all. I think I've stated enough times the reasons why he's seen in a more favourable light than the Bush administration was.

This whole discussion started because someone said something about how Bush needed so much security last time he visited Ireland because of how so many people disliked him or something. I wonder if Bush went to Ireland before Iraq/9.11 and whether he was seen as such a Villain or given a happy welcome.

Anyway then lowing gets angry because he sees that certain people are starting to like the USA for no apparent reason.

Let's play the hypothetical game, let's say people do really have absolutely no reason for liking Obama over Bush, why does that then piss you so much off? Again we reach the conclusion that it's all down to partisan politics. Otherwise you wouldn't give a shit. I can't see how it would otherwise piss you so much to see one of your presidents seen in a positive light, especially you who thinks he's one of those super patriotic americans.
2009-10-15 16:28:57
lowing
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Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
No, the topic is Europes love affair with the Obama administratyion for absolutely no reason at all. the guy hasn't done anything and infact is continuing the same things Bush is hated for. All they are doing is trying to find a way to reason it.
It doesn't even make sense that people would like him better than Bush for no reason at all. I think I've stated enough times the reasons why he's seen in a more favourable light than the Bush administration was.

This whole discussion started because someone said something about how Bush needed so much security last time he visited Ireland because of how so many people disliked him or something. I wonder if Bush went to Ireland before Iraq/9.11 and whether he was seen as such a Villain or given a happy welcome.

Anyway then lowing gets angry because he sees that certain people are starting to like the USA for no apparent reason.

Let's play the hypothetical game, let's say people do really have absolutely no reason for liking Obama over Bush, why does that then piss you so much off? Again we reach the conclusion that it's all down to partisan politics. Otherwise you wouldn't give a shit. I can't see how it would otherwise piss you so much to see one of your presidents seen in a positive light, especially you who thinks he's one of those super patriotic americans.
So you love Obama for nothing real, just becasue he isn't Bush. Never mind he is carrying on with the same agenda. Who needs facts when you are in love I guess.

PS. I rarely get angry in this forum

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2009-10-15 16:30:51
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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What the fuck are you talking about, I have tried to explain time and time again why I see Obama in a more favourable light than Bush, yet you seem to be able to somehow see it as me "Loving Obama for no reason at all"

How the fuck does that even work. Fuck sake.
2009-10-15 16:34:40
lowing
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Mekstizzle wrote:

What the fuck are you talking about, I have tried to explain time and time again why I see Obama in a more favourable light than Bush, yet you seem to be able to somehow see it as me "Loving Obama for no reason at all"

How the fuck does that even work. Fuck sake.
already explained, they both have the same policies enacted. and you hate ONLY Bush for them.

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2009-10-15 16:39:36
Mekstizzle
WALKER
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No... infact I don't even hate Bush that much, only a general dislike for his neocon regime and certain foreign policy choices. Obama simply inherited those policies and it's not like he can reverse them instantly in any realistic manner. It's only been like 9 months as I said. But in those nine months he, so far, has seemed to leave an impression of not being Bush despite what you think, call me crazy, but that's what I think.

Bush started bad things. Obama only inherited them. When Obama starts bad things, then we can go back to this comparison conversation.

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2009-10-15 17:21:30
lowing
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Mekstizzle wrote:

No... infact I don't even hate Bush that much, only a general dislike for his neocon regime and certain foreign policy choices. Obama simply inherited those policies and it's not like he can reverse them instantly in any realistic manner. It's only been like 9 months as I said. But in those nine months he, so far, has seemed to leave an impression of not being Bush despite what you think, call me crazy, but that's what I think.

Bush started bad things. Obama only inherited them. When Obama starts bad things, then we can go back to this comparison conversation.
I see, so continuing "bad things" just doesn't count I guess.
2009-10-16 00:43:57
Red Forman
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Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
A)  it was the OP's intention and you should know that
B)  if not then why is it in DST?
2009-10-16 04:11:29
FEOS
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Mekstizzle wrote:

lowing wrote:

Hurricane2k9 wrote:

Only in D&ST can a topic go from some silly shit about Hillary Clinton drinking a beer to a discussion about the war in the middle east
No, the topic is Europes love affair with the Obama administratyion for absolutely no reason at all. the guy hasn't done anything and infact is continuing the same things Bush is hated for. All they are doing is trying to find a way to reason it.
It doesn't even make sense that people would like him better than Bush for no reason at all. I think I've stated enough times the reasons why he's seen in a more favourable light than the Bush administration was.

This whole discussion started because someone said something about how Bush needed so much security last time he visited Ireland because of how so many people disliked him or something. I wonder if Bush went to Ireland before Iraq/9.11 and whether he was seen as such a Villain or given a happy welcome.

Anyway then lowing gets angry because he sees that certain people are starting to like the USA for no apparent reason.

Let's play the hypothetical game, let's say people do really have absolutely no reason for liking Obama over Bush, why does that then piss you so much off? Again we reach the conclusion that it's all down to partisan politics. Otherwise you wouldn't give a shit. I can't see how it would otherwise piss you so much to see one of your presidents seen in a positive light, especially you who thinks he's one of those super patriotic americans.
That's nonsense, since it wasn't Obama that was visiting Ireland...it was Clinton.

You're comparing the security arrangements for the POTUS to the security arrangements for the SECSTATE. Apples to oranges.

As was pointed out in a previous post, btw.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
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2009-10-16 04:37:29
lowing
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Just goes to show you, if I don't want my president kissing Europe's ass in an effort to project weakness through an apology tour of the world, it is partisan politics. If Europe chooses to love one president because he is not a repulican, and hate the other because he is, regardless that their polices are, to date, still the same, it is rational and unbiased non-partisan politics according to them.

Ya see, Mekstizzle, I have a reason for not liking Obama. He is weakening our country, ironically, it is the very reason you love him. You just can't say that, it is not PC. So yu have to give a non-answer like "he isn't Bush". Problem with this is, the polices you list for hating Bush are the the same polices Obama has carried on with. So tell me again, who is playing partisan politics and not making any sense?
2009-10-16 05:21:07
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7020|London, England

lowing wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

No... infact I don't even hate Bush that much, only a general dislike for his neocon regime and certain foreign policy choices. Obama simply inherited those policies and it's not like he can reverse them instantly in any realistic manner. It's only been like 9 months as I said. But in those nine months he, so far, has seemed to leave an impression of not being Bush despite what you think, call me crazy, but that's what I think.

Bush started bad things. Obama only inherited them. When Obama starts bad things, then we can go back to this comparison conversation.
I see, so continuing "bad things" just doesn't count I guess.
No it does count, just not as much as starting them. And FEOS, I meant the Presidential regimes/cabinets in general. He's the one that started off with the whole Bush Ireland thing (or, someone did), I was just going along with it.
2009-10-16 05:23:09
Red Forman
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Mekstizzle wrote:

No it does count, just not as much as starting them.
lol continuing to do the same old thing and expecting different results is the definition of insanity.
2009-10-16 05:48:34
FatherTed
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lowing wrote:

Just goes to show you, if I don't want my president kissing Europe's ass in an effort to project weakness through an apology tour of the world, it is partisan politics. If Europe chooses to love one president because he is not a repulican, and hate the other because he is, regardless that their polices are, to date, still the same, it is rational and unbiased non-partisan politics according to them.

Ya see, Mekstizzle, I have a reason for not liking Obama. He is weakening our country, ironically, it is the very reason you love him. You just can't say that, it is not PC. So yu have to give a non-answer like "he isn't Bush". Problem with this is, the polices you list for hating Bush are the the same polices Obama has carried on with. So tell me again, who is playing partisan politics and not making any sense?
omfg you're a retard

1) 'projecting weakness'? is this after he just ordered more soldiers into afghanistan? and after he shores up military and economic ties with europe (youre only actual ally atm) and thats fucking weakness?

2)'Europe chooses to love one president because he is not a repulican'? unlike you we know there is more to this world than black and white. we don't really indulge much in your pendulum politics, we see the black, white and grey. simply put, we don't give a shit what party he's from. sure he's still a arsehole, he's a politican i wouldnt expect any less. but at least he's a nice arsehole

3)'So tell me again, who is ... not making any sense?' you
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2009-10-16 08:26:21
lowing
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FatherTed wrote:

lowing wrote:

Just goes to show you, if I don't want my president kissing Europe's ass in an effort to project weakness through an apology tour of the world, it is partisan politics. If Europe chooses to love one president because he is not a repulican, and hate the other because he is, regardless that their polices are, to date, still the same, it is rational and unbiased non-partisan politics according to them.

Ya see, Mekstizzle, I have a reason for not liking Obama. He is weakening our country, ironically, it is the very reason you love him. You just can't say that, it is not PC. So yu have to give a non-answer like "he isn't Bush". Problem with this is, the polices you list for hating Bush are the the same polices Obama has carried on with. So tell me again, who is playing partisan politics and not making any sense?
omfg you're a retard

1) 'projecting weakness'? is this after he just ordered more soldiers into afghanistan? and after he shores up military and economic ties with europe (youre only actual ally atm) and thats fucking weakness?

2)'Europe chooses to love one president because he is not a repulican'? unlike you we know there is more to this world than black and white. we don't really indulge much in your pendulum politics, we see the black, white and grey. simply put, we don't give a shit what party he's from. sure he's still a arsehole, he's a politican i wouldnt expect any less. but at least he's a nice arsehole

3)'So tell me again, who is ... not making any sense?' you
You may wanna talk to Cam, and his loyal following. Because he IS NOT a republican is the reason given for loving Obama. Just a page or so back. Their words not mine.

Pulling a missle defense system out of Poland is shoring up military ties? Cancelling the F-22 program is projecting strength? Wow, I guess I missed the big picture on that one.

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2009-10-16 08:35:20
Mekstizzle
WALKER
+3,611|7020|London, England
So what's the difference. You hate it when someone says they like Obama because he is not a Republican. You hate Obama because he is not a Republican. You liked Bush because of Republican, they hated Bush because of Republican. It's just a clash of ideologies, and you guys are never going to agree with anything.
2009-10-16 09:15:09
Pug
UR father's brother's nephew's former roommate
+652|6941|Texas - Bigger than France

CameronPoe wrote:

Afterthought: it's amazing how much negativity there is in this thread from Americans about the fact people are beginning to hate America less/like America more. Bizarre.
lol

It's amazing someone could take someone drinking a beer and turn it into a slam Bush session.

There's many reasons why Bush had a larger detail, which has to do with lots of stuff outside of a love/hate relationship with the US.

1) Less security is required, she lost the election
2) Clinton helped Ireland before (with Billy)
3) The Sec of State usually isn't the protest target
4) My guess is there was more notice for the Bush rally
5) Protestor fatigue
6) It wasn't St Paddy's Day
7) Lunar cycle
8) Relative humidity
9) Michael Jackson's movie release scheduled for same day

I'm not denying there wasn't a reason why the protestors had a great outing, but the chick just drank a beer.  Seems like the Dems like beer.
2009-10-16 09:21:05
Red Forman
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i didnt even know she went lol.  would we give a toss if some irish dude came here?  nope.  lol.

 

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