13rin
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Red Forman wrote:

OP updated.  need more ideas for polls.
How may rockets will Hamas fire into Israel today?
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1-10
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30+
I stood in line for four hours. They better give me a Wal-Mart gift card, or something.  - Rodney Booker, Job Fair attendee.
Beduin
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October 27, 2009
الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
rammunition
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Look, the Jews don't want peace.

The Arabs have submitted the Arab Peace Initiative in 2002, bought it back up in 207. Its been welcomed by the majority of the world leaders including GREAT Britain, General secretary of the UN, all 57 members of the OIC etc.

YET the Jews have rejected this chance towards peace. How can you negotiate with someone who isn't interested in peace?

The only option is brute force. There is no alternative.
Spark
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(a) Complete withdrawal from the occupied Arab territories, including the Syrian Golan Heights, to the 4 June 1967 line and the territories still occupied in southern Lebanon; (b) Attain a just solution to the problem of Palestinian refugees to be agreed upon in accordance with the UN General Assembly Resolution No 194. (c) Accept the establishment of an independent and sovereign Palestinian state on the Palestinian territories occupied since 4 June 1967 in the West Bank and Gaza Strip with East Jerusalem as its capital.
The palestinians must be completely off their heads if they think the israelis are about to accept that anytime soon.

and yes i said israelis not jews. i suggest you do the same.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Poseidon
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Spark wrote:

and yes i said israelis not jews. i suggest you do the same.
Every time he doesn't, it shows his true agenda. Let him be.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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oh. i don't really follow israel/palestine threads that much so i didn't really know.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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The palestinians must be completely off their heads if they think the israelis are about to accept that anytime soon.
There is nothing unreasonable in those conditions, they are already covered by multiple UN resolutions.
All parties have said if Israel follows the plan then Israel will have peace.

Since Israel rejects the plan the only conclusion can be that Israel does not want peace.
Fuck Israel
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7068|Canberra, AUS
Unreasonable?

the handing over of jerusalem
right of return

that's two things there i can see...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
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Spark wrote:

Unreasonable?

the handing over of jerusalem
right of return

that's two things there i can see...
They were both in the UN resolution which recognised Israel.
If the Israelies don't like it they should dissolve Israel and go back to Europe.
Fuck Israel
M.O.A.B
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Dilbert_X wrote:

The palestinians must be completely off their heads if they think the israelis are about to accept that anytime soon.
There is nothing unreasonable in those conditions, they are already covered by multiple UN resolutions.
All parties have said if Israel follows the plan then Israel will have peace.
I'm seriously doubting it would be that easy. I could see land been given back but then being claimed as not enough = Pals want the whole deal + rockets.
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
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no way in hell the israelis are letting jerusalem go any time soon...
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
oug
Calmer than you are.
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M.O.A.B wrote:

I'm seriously doubting it would be that easy. I could see land been given back but then being claimed as not enough = Pals want the whole deal + rockets.
A wise historian once said that it is a prerequisite for fairness to be achieved that both parties involved be of equal strength. If that is not the case, then the strong enforce whatever their strength allow them to and the weak fall back and abide according to their weakness.

In the case of Israel vs Palestine the above roles are clear, and therefore if there's one thing you can be sure of is that the weak Palestinians will never be in a position to demand more than what they're rightfully entitled during talks. And of course you can be equally sure that the Israelis will always push their demands further and further into the absurd.
It's common diplomatic practice for the one who has the upper hand. Ask for 10 which is not yours, then fall back to 2 and not only do you get 2 more than you deserve but you also make it seem like you're the good boy willing to settle.
ƒ³
rammunition
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Poseidon wrote:

Spark wrote:

and yes i said israelis not jews. i suggest you do the same.
Every time he doesn't, it shows his true agenda. Let him be.
Look kiddo, The Jews claim that Israel is the land of the Jews and is a Jewish state. Its was JEWS that did mass immigration ,to what is today's Israel, because of their JEWISH beliefs. They are JEWS before Israeli's. Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Poseidon
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rammunition wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Spark wrote:

and yes i said israelis not jews. i suggest you do the same.
Every time he doesn't, it shows his true agenda. Let him be.
Look kiddo, The Jews claim that Israel is the land of the Jews and is a Jewish state. Its was JEWS that did mass immigration ,to what is today's Israel, because of their JEWISH beliefs. They are JEWS before Israeli's. Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Keep going senor troll, it's going real well for you around these parts.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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rammunition wrote:

Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Hmmm.

Irony is ironic.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Red Forman
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FEOS wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Hmmm.

Irony is ironic.
yes.  shallow and pedantic.
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
+1,182|6804|'Murka

no u
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Red Forman
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FEOS wrote:

no u
i meant him
FEOS
Bellicose Yankee Air Pirate
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Red Forman wrote:

FEOS wrote:

no u
i meant him
I know...just feeling froggy with all the self-medication I've been doing lately.
“Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish by its ability to climb a tree, it will live its whole life believing that it is stupid.”
― Albert Einstein

Doing the popular thing is not always right. Doing the right thing is not always popular
Beduin
Compensation of Reactive Power in the grid
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الشعب يريد اسقاط النظام
...show me the schematic
M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6616|Escea

rammunition wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Spark wrote:

and yes i said israelis not jews. i suggest you do the same.
Every time he doesn't, it shows his true agenda. Let him be.
Look kiddo, The Jews claim that Israel is the land of the Jews and is a Jewish state. Its was JEWS that did mass immigration ,to what is today's Israel, because of their JEWISH beliefs. They are JEWS before Israeli's. Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Well actually, they went there because they kept being killed and persecuted by various European countries, and it was where they originally came from.

Red Forman wrote:

FEOS wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Hmmm.

Irony is ironic.
yes.  shallow and pedantic.
I agree, shallow and pedantic.
rammunition
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M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:

Poseidon wrote:

Every time he doesn't, it shows his true agenda. Let him be.
Look kiddo, The Jews claim that Israel is the land of the Jews and is a Jewish state. Its was JEWS that did mass immigration ,to what is today's Israel, because of their JEWISH beliefs. They are JEWS before Israeli's. Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Well actually, they went there because they kept being killed and persecuted by various European countries, and it was where they originally came from.
The zionazism movement began in 1883.

Quote

"During the First Zionist Congress, the following agreement, commonly known as the Basel Program, was reached:

    Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law. The Congress contemplates the following means to the attainment of this end:

       1. The promotion by appropriate means of the settlement in Eretz Israel of Jewish farmers, artisans, and manufacturers.
       2. The organization and uniting of the whole of Jewry by means of appropriate institutions, both local and international, in accordance with the laws of each country.
       3. The strengthening and fostering of Jewish national sentiment and national consciousness.
       4. Preparatory steps toward obtaining the consent of governments, where necessary, in order to reach the goals of Zionism"

Also see sig

Last edited by rammunition (2009-11-01 10:43:49)

M.O.A.B
'Light 'em up!'
+1,220|6616|Escea

rammunition wrote:

M.O.A.B wrote:

rammunition wrote:


Look kiddo, The Jews claim that Israel is the land of the Jews and is a Jewish state. Its was JEWS that did mass immigration ,to what is today's Israel, because of their JEWISH beliefs. They are JEWS before Israeli's. Think before you open your mouth kiddo. Just a word of advice.
Well actually, they went there because they kept being killed and persecuted by various European countries, and it was where they originally came from.
The zionazism movement began in 1883.

Quote

"During the First Zionist Congress, the following agreement, commonly known as the Basel Program, was reached:

    Zionism seeks to establish a home for the Jewish people in Palestine secured under public law. The Congress contemplates the following means to the attainment of this end:

       1. The promotion by appropriate means of the settlement in Eretz Israel of Jewish farmers, artisans, and manufacturers.
       2. The organization and uniting of the whole of Jewry by means of appropriate institutions, both local and international, in accordance with the laws of each country.
       3. The strengthening and fostering of Jewish national sentiment and national consciousness.
       4. Preparatory steps toward obtaining the consent of governments, where necessary, in order to reach the goals of Zionism"

Also see sig
Yes very good, but I don't see how this connects with my post saying that the vast majority went there because the Europeans were harrassing them.
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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Yes very good, but I don't see how this connects with my post saying that the vast majority went there because the Europeans were harrassing them.
Apparently they've been harassed wherever they've been since the time of the Pharaohs.
Fuck Israel
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
+1,820|6499|eXtreme to the maX
Wow, Obama is an Arab moslem who should be shot?

Last edited by Dilbert_X (2009-11-02 22:21:10)

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