don't cherry pick my post, answer the whole thing......Before these American "moderate Muslims" were of no threat, the nall of a sudden the truth is revealed and they are all of a sudden extremists in your eyes. You have hit on the real problem, who is extremist?ghettoperson wrote:
No, they're not. Those would be extremists, a tiny minority of Islam. Seriously, how fucking stupid/prejudiced are you? 99% of Muslims are not celebrating when Americans get killed.lowing wrote:
Are these the same "average Muslims" that were celebrating the Ft. Hood murders by one of their own?Spark wrote:
Once again... the average Muslim would not condone killing. Average meaning representative.
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Thank you, you know I love the attentionruisleipa wrote:
QUOTE OF THE YEARlowing wrote:
like I said, I am not going to engage in your smart ass games today.
Go play your word games somewhere else.
I think religion is stupid and people that blindly follow 1400 year-old scripture is as retarded as people following 2000 year-old scripture. People are violent and intolerant - it's not just Muslims.lowing wrote:
What did I say? You think it is a peace loving and tolrant religion so there shouldn't be any problems right?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You obviously read the story seeing as among other things the CHARITY supports schools and students. Not exactly lobbing bombs into preschools.lowing wrote:
Well it is a good thing Islam is a peace loving and tolerant religion because this could get ugly if it weren't.
What is your deal? You don't like it, great. I don't particularly like the extremists either but you don't see me popping up every time it's mentioned to pound my view into the forum record.
I just don't see the point in coming into every thread that mentions Islam or Muslims and saying, "Waah waah, its a violent and intolerant religion because Mohammed was a violent person." What are you trying to accomplish? You haven't studied the Quran, you get your knowledge of it from the internet and what other people say. You're opinion is as qualified as me talking about airplane engines. Of course you are free to express your opinion, you just sound like a whiny little kid who wants to shout above everyone else in the room so that you can be heard. I just don't get it.
The United States of America is a race-hating country because the people who founded it forced black people to work for no money.
And if you don't reply to this post within the next 10 minutes it means you are either avoiding me or I am right. I will continue to quote it with the words, "Well lowing....." until I get a response. Not really, I just think that's ridiculous too.
religion of peace
shut the hell up Ken. why do you pick on lowing for that when rammunutter and many others run around saying the exact same shit about the US? my god man.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I think religion is stupid and people that blindly follow 1400 year-old scripture is as retarded as people following 2000 year-old scripture. People are violent and intolerant - it's not just Muslims.lowing wrote:
What did I say? You think it is a peace loving and tolrant religion so there shouldn't be any problems right?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You obviously read the story seeing as among other things the CHARITY supports schools and students. Not exactly lobbing bombs into preschools.
What is your deal? You don't like it, great. I don't particularly like the extremists either but you don't see me popping up every time it's mentioned to pound my view into the forum record.
I just don't see the point in coming into every thread that mentions Islam or Muslims and saying, "Waah waah, its a violent and intolerant religion because Mohammed was a violent person." What are you trying to accomplish? You haven't studied the Quran, you get your knowledge of it from the internet and what other people say. You're opinion is as qualified as me talking about airplane engines. Of course you are free to express your opinion, you just sound like a whiny little kid who wants to shout above everyone else in the room so that you can be heard. I just don't get it.
The United States of America is a race-hating country because the people who founded it forced black people to work for no money.
And if you don't reply to this post within the next 10 minutes it means you are either avoiding me or I am right. I will continue to quote it with the words, "Well lowing....." until I get a response. Not really, I just think that's ridiculous too.
Yeah, you and Lowing are the ones that keep saying that as if Muslims shout it as their battle cry. People kill people in the name of God all the time. Islam definitely doesn't corner the market in that regard.
i say it because this forum has allowed people to spew "land of the free" and "scum to the west" and other stupid phrases for many years. but oh noes we said something about islam.............ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah, you and Lowing are the ones that keep saying that as if Muslims shout it as their battle cry. People kill people in the name of God all the time. Islam definitely doesn't corner the market in that regard.
Incorrect. Better read up on US corporate law re: sending money to owners overseas or overseas donationsDilbert_X wrote:
So:
If you send money to theocratic belligerent Iran you're an evil terrorist.
If you send money to theocratic belligerent Israel you get a tax subsidy.
Makes sense.
What are you on dude? It's the exact opposite on this forum,Red Forman wrote:
i say it because this forum has allowed people to spew "land of the free" and "scum to the west" and other stupid phrases for many years. but oh noes we said something about islam.............ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah, you and Lowing are the ones that keep saying that as if Muslims shout it as their battle cry. People kill people in the name of God all the time. Islam definitely doesn't corner the market in that regard.
And I think Ken picks on lowing because he is the more ridiculous out of the all those idiots. Would it make you feel better if he picked on rammunition?
you have not spent that much time in this section so..... you are not correct.13/f/taiwan wrote:
What are you on dude? It's the exact opposite on this forum,Red Forman wrote:
i say it because this forum has allowed people to spew "land of the free" and "scum to the west" and other stupid phrases for many years. but oh noes we said something about islam.............ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooKEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah, you and Lowing are the ones that keep saying that as if Muslims shout it as their battle cry. People kill people in the name of God all the time. Islam definitely doesn't corner the market in that regard.
And I think Ken picks on lowing because he is the more ridiculous out of the all those idiots. Would it make you feel better if he picked on rammunition?
first off I am not "whining". I am stating fact. Islam is a violent and intolerant religion. You are right I know this but what I read hear and see. You forgot to mention that I also know this buy the ACTON carried out in the name of Islam as well as Islamic law as well as Islam scripture. Not sure how many other sources you are looking for to prove it. Really, I am out of sources, tell ya what, how 'bout YOU prove Islam is not violent or intolerant.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I think religion is stupid and people that blindly follow 1400 year-old scripture is as retarded as people following 2000 year-old scripture. People are violent and intolerant - it's not just Muslims.lowing wrote:
What did I say? You think it is a peace loving and tolrant religion so there shouldn't be any problems right?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
You obviously read the story seeing as among other things the CHARITY supports schools and students. Not exactly lobbing bombs into preschools.
What is your deal? You don't like it, great. I don't particularly like the extremists either but you don't see me popping up every time it's mentioned to pound my view into the forum record.
I just don't see the point in coming into every thread that mentions Islam or Muslims and saying, "Waah waah, its a violent and intolerant religion because Mohammed was a violent person." What are you trying to accomplish? You haven't studied the Quran, you get your knowledge of it from the internet and what other people say. You're opinion is as qualified as me talking about airplane engines. Of course you are free to express your opinion, you just sound like a whiny little kid who wants to shout above everyone else in the room so that you can be heard. I just don't get it.
The United States of America is a race-hating country because the people who founded it forced black people to work for no money.
And if you don't reply to this post within the next 10 minutes it means you are either avoiding me or I am right. I will continue to quote it with the words, "Well lowing....." until I get a response. Not really, I just think that's ridiculous too.
I will also add that for the most part my posts are calm and collected. If you want shouting, name calling and whining, take at look at those that respond.
There really is nothing to "get". I have an opinion I post it, just like you do.
Nope but Islam definatley has center stage, in this day and age. It is also the religion to pay most attention to as far as carrying out their threats. Or are you gunna deny that as well?KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Yeah, you and Lowing are the ones that keep saying that as if Muslims shout it as their battle cry. People kill people in the name of God all the time. Islam definitely doesn't corner the market in that regard.
Lowing do you also take into account any positive action done in the name of Islam, or do you just go off the minimal content you read on the internet and hear about on the news? Because, you know, reporting on positive action doesn't drum up the same amount of mindless fear-mongering and hatred that a suicide bombing does.
Like I said, the US was founded by slave owners. Using your logic that means the US is racist and immoral.
Ascribing characteristics like violent and intolerant to a belief system completely open to interpretation is stupid.
Please, tell me what I have denied. Example, please. For someone that bitches about people putting words into your mouth you sure do have no problem doing the same thing.
Like I said, the US was founded by slave owners. Using your logic that means the US is racist and immoral.
Ascribing characteristics like violent and intolerant to a belief system completely open to interpretation is stupid.
Please, tell me what I have denied. Example, please. For someone that bitches about people putting words into your mouth you sure do have no problem doing the same thing.
The seocnd positive action is done in the name of Islam that affects the world, let me know.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
Lowing do you also take into account any positive action done in the name of Islam, or do you just go off the minimal content you read on the internet and hear about on the news? Because, you know, reporting on positive action doesn't drum up the same amount of mindless fear-mongering and hatred that a suicide bombing does.
Like I said, the US was founded by slave owners. Using your logic that means the US is racist and immoral.
Ascribing characteristics like violent and intolerant to a belief system completely open to interpretation is stupid.
Please, tell me what I have denied. Example, please. For someone that bitches about people putting words into your mouth you sure do have no problem doing the same thing.
I am sorry, how do you interpret killing, enslaving, or converting non-believers? Also tell me how I mis-interpret stonings, beheadings, and honor killings?
Your refusal to acknowledge Islam for what it is is, is denial enough. Plenty of evidence out there and it keeps growing, along with your list of "isolated incidences"
I will just wait here for your list of world wide positive Islamic action
I interpret it as the people are crazy. Islam doesn't make anyone do anything, despite people saying they are doing it in the name of Islam. If I killed someone and said I did it in the name of Buddhism does that mean Buddhism is bad?
Read a book, get off the internet and open your mind. It is incredibly stupid to say, "I'll wait for the information to pass in front of me before I accept what you are saying." The news doesn't report on it and there is no simple website devoted to peaceful Muslims so that means it doesn't exist and doesn't happen.
People are violent and intolerant. Religions are not living entities capable of carrying out action. The Quran is open to interpretation. That's how millions of Muslims around the world are able to peacefully practice their religion with no problems.
Read a book, get off the internet and open your mind. It is incredibly stupid to say, "I'll wait for the information to pass in front of me before I accept what you are saying." The news doesn't report on it and there is no simple website devoted to peaceful Muslims so that means it doesn't exist and doesn't happen.
People are violent and intolerant. Religions are not living entities capable of carrying out action. The Quran is open to interpretation. That's how millions of Muslims around the world are able to peacefully practice their religion with no problems.
Yup I do as well, but when you have a relgion that teaches, hate, and is practiced or endorsed, and people do this shit in the name of that religion, pretty much I am allowed to call a spade a spade. and Islam is exactly what it is made out to be. Unless you can prove it different.KEN-JENNINGS wrote:
I interpret it as the people are crazy. Islam doesn't make anyone do anything, despite people saying they are doing it in the name of Islam. If I killed someone and said I did it in the name of Buddhism does that mean Buddhism is bad?
Read a book, get off the internet and open your mind. It is incredibly stupid to say, "I'll wait for the information to pass in front of me before I accept what you are saying." The news doesn't report on it and there is no simple website devoted to peaceful Muslims so that means it doesn't exist and doesn't happen.
People are violent and intolerant. Religions are not living entities capable of carrying out action. The Quran is open to interpretation. That's how millions of Muslims around the world are able to peacefully practice their religion with no problems.
Cant find anything on a .gov website that states Iran is a enemy of the state. Google doesnt hold much either.lowing wrote:
like I said, I am not going to engage in your smart ass games today.Dilbert_X wrote:
But who exactly has said Iran is 'an enemy of the state'?
No-one, except Fox News.
Go play your word games somewhere else.
"word games"= lowing disproved.
Try "axis of evil", look up UN sanctions, Iran has been our enemy since 79BN wrote:
Cant find anything on a .gov website that states Iran is a enemy of the state. Google doesnt hold much either.lowing wrote:
like I said, I am not going to engage in your smart ass games today.Dilbert_X wrote:
But who exactly has said Iran is 'an enemy of the state'?
No-one, except Fox News.
Go play your word games somewhere else.
"word games"= lowing disproved.
Need something from someone who matters, not Bush rantings.
BTW At the time Bush made the axis of evil speech they were a US ally.
BTW At the time Bush made the axis of evil speech they were a US ally.
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Fuck Israel
Bud, if you can't accept, sanctions, condemnation, threats etc.. as indicators that Iran and the US are enemies I don't know what to tell ya. What evidence do you need, a war? Sit tight.Dilbert_X wrote:
Need something from someone who matters, not Bush rantings.
BTW At the time Bush made the axis of evil speech they were a US ally.
I said enemy of the state and gave the historical background as to why. you are doing nothing except being a smart ass.
While it doesn't explicitly use the phrase "enemy of the state", the US Department of State's page on Iran makes it pretty clear the USA and Iran aren't chums..BN wrote:
Cant find anything on a .gov website that states Iran is a enemy of the state. Google doesnt hold much either.lowing wrote:
like I said, I am not going to engage in your smart ass games today.Dilbert_X wrote:
But who exactly has said Iran is 'an enemy of the state'?
No-one, except Fox News.
Go play your word games somewhere else.
"word games"= lowing disproved.
Man, that must rank as one of the more stupid statements from you. You are so quick to believe your authorities and politicians that Iran was/is an 'enemy' of the US. I'm sure you know about USA funding Saddam, Al-Qaeda, Taliban over the years, so you have to have a really blinkered view of history and a negative view of people in gneral to swallow all the propaganda you get thrown. Just believe what Fox tells you and get on with your life. Easy isn't it? You would love it in 1984. For an 'enemy' of the US Iran has sure done f**k all about it. The US has done a good job at making life difficult for Iran though, so maybe you should just turn the statment around and put 'US' first and 'Iran' afterwards.lowing wrote:
Try "axis of evil", look up UN sanctions, Iran has been our enemy since 79
There's a difference between having disputes with a country and that country being a specific 'enemy of the state'.lowing wrote:
Bud, if you can't accept, sanctions, condemnation, threats etc.. as indicators that Iran and the US are enemies I don't know what to tell ya. What evidence do you need, a war? Sit tight.
Although your Fox News cheerleaders clearly have you believing different.
Historically the bulk of the animosity between the US and Iran and flowed from the US.
Fuck Israel
How was Maj Hasan a 'moderate' in any way shape or form? He killed people ffs and you're claiming he represents moderates?. Here's a hint: moderates don't really care/involve themselves any more than the ordinary citizen does because they are ordinary citizens.lowing wrote:
don't cherry pick my post, answer the whole thing......Before these American "moderate Muslims" were of no threat, the nall of a sudden the truth is revealed and they are all of a sudden extremists in your eyes. You have hit on the real problem, who is extremist?ghettoperson wrote:
No, they're not. Those would be extremists, a tiny minority of Islam. Seriously, how fucking stupid/prejudiced are you? 99% of Muslims are not celebrating when Americans get killed.lowing wrote:
Are these the same "average Muslims" that were celebrating the Ft. Hood murders by one of their own?
Last edited by Spark (2009-11-13 21:06:52)
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
sure thing rammruisleipa wrote:
Man, that must rank as one of the more stupid statements from you. You are so quick to believe your authorities and politicians that Iran was/is an 'enemy' of the US. I'm sure you know about USA funding Saddam, Al-Qaeda, Taliban over the years, so you have to have a really blinkered view of history and a negative view of people in gneral to swallow all the propaganda you get thrown. Just believe what Fox tells you and get on with your life. Easy isn't it? You would love it in 1984. For an 'enemy' of the US Iran has sure done f**k all about it. The US has done a good job at making life difficult for Iran though, so maybe you should just turn the statment around and put 'US' first and 'Iran' afterwards.lowing wrote:
Try "axis of evil", look up UN sanctions, Iran has been our enemy since 79
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