Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
alone, no, but it's a bit rich to be complaining about china and all that when you're doing sfa yourself.

it won't make a great deal of difference either way, but it's the right way to go. it definitely pokes people in the right direction.
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noice
+947|6955|Gold Coast

Spark wrote:

Adams_BJ wrote:

I am confused.

someone explain to me why this carbon tax is a good thing?
by faaaaaaaaaaar the most efficient (ie. cheapest) to reduce emissions. assuming you want to ofc - which both sides of politics do on paper.
cheapest? yeah, the govt. gets money while industry is left to fix its shit.

I would've thought other means would've been a better choice. Shit like reducing the amount of solar panels you can have on your house... dont see the logic in that.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
on first blush yes.

in actuality, no. ets/ct >>>>>>>> all by a ridiculous margin to the point where it's simply not worthwhile discussing alternatives that aren't based on them.

seriously i'd prefer we didn't do anything at all than abbott's policy. it's beyond terrible.

Last edited by Spark (2011-10-11 22:42:54)

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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
really, in terms of cost/benefit, imo

ct > ets >>>>>> doing nothing >>> everything else
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
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AussieReaper
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+5,761|6597|what

Glad to see VSU has been scrapped.

Suck it, Taz.
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7219|Noizyland

And over here VSU just passed... way to go NZ.

I think the outcry over the carbon tax is pathetic. Cries of tyranny and dictatorships and the death of democracy... pathetic. I'm not sure if it will be effective but it's far better to try doing something instead of dicking around saying that climate change is a real issue while hesitating on actually doing something because of fears it'll be unpopular. Good on Gillard for driving this one on.
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A good idea, no doubt the implementation will be terrible, I've stopped paying attention really - last I heard was the carbon tax would be used to raise pensions....

The opposition line "zomg carbon tax = bad raaaarrrrrgghh" is about as lame.

Since it was a partisan bill which will be dumped at the next election there is almost no point to it - long term stuff like this has to be by consensus.
Having said that I bet the coalition won't dump it but will opt to adjust it marginally when they get the chance.

I'm going to write 'Labour' now because it annoys people.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
pretty certain. trying to unwind a structural economic reform like this is a stupidly complicated task. plus there's the whole senate thing.

what will probably happen is that it'll be tweaked so it's no longer technically a carbon tax but still does the same thing anyway.
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Dilbert_X
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I'm pretty sure the coalition want a carbon tax, as it makes sound economic sense if done properly.

They just feel they have to oppose anything Gillard puts up, and will need the distraction of credit for 'fixing' it when they roll in - in other words putting in place the carbon tax they could have had right now if they'd been responsible and negotiated a bi-partisan bill.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
you're assuming that big parts of the coalition want anything at all.

and i think they'd go for an ets over a carbon tax. that's easy enough - just bring the transition date way forward.
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~ Richard Feynman
Dilbert_X
The X stands for
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I still don't see a huge difference between and ETS and carbon tax, just different levels of govt involvement.

So will the unions be satisfied when Qantas is bankrupt? Will Qantas be satisfied when it has no Australian employees - apart from the CEO of course...?
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
there isn't. but if you gave me the pick of the two, i'd pick the carbon tax - less room to go wrong imo.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
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noice
+947|6955|Gold Coast

Dilbert_X wrote:

I still don't see a huge difference between and ETS and carbon tax, just different levels of govt involvement.

So will the unions be satisfied when Qantas is bankrupt? Will Qantas be satisfied when it has no Australian employees - apart from the CEO of course...?
lolQANTAS. They're fucked.
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Ty
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+2,398|7219|Noizyland

Isn't Qantas' CEO Irish?

Unions have Australia by the throat and most of the time take action only to maintain their own relevance.
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Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
and now onshore processing. another good day today.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
Spark
liquid fluoride thorium reactor
+874|7119|Canberra, AUS
"PM @JuliaGillard to announce fast-track processing for asylum seekers, bridging visas to include right to work, houses in community."

yesyesyesyesyes
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7219|Noizyland

Wow, why the sudden spark of rationality?
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m8
+394|6593|'straya

Ty wrote:

Wow, why the sudden spark of rationality?
Perhaps the ALP finally realised that trying to appeal to right-wing bogans was never going to work for them.
Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7219|Noizyland

By the way,  does "asylum seeker processing" remind anyone else of a meat factory? Or maybe that one scene in Pink Floyd's The Wall.
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I Won't Deny It
+172|6128|SQUID
It reminds me of early days of Jewish eviction from Germany.
Jaekus
I'm the matchstick that you'll never lose
+957|5622|Sydney

Spark wrote:

"PM @JuliaGillard to announce fast-track processing for asylum seekers, bridging visas to include right to work, houses in community."

yesyesyesyesyes
Fuck. I'm wondering where this rational trend will lead us.
Dilbert_X
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It will lead to a fuckton of economic migrants with poor english, no skills and sick relatives who want to migrate outside the migration system.
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Cybargs
Moderated
+2,285|7160

Dilbert_X wrote:

It will lead to a fuckton of economic migrants with poor english, no skills and sick relatives who want to migrate outside the migration system.
That's why the whole asylum thing is a bunch of bull in my opinion. You don't get to pick and choose where you go.
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Ty
Mass Media Casualty
+2,398|7219|Noizyland

Julia Gillard should be 'thrown out to sea in a chaff bag'.

You're all class Alan Jones...
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The X stands for
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I am thankful that at least they aren't squabbling to prove who is the mroe devout christian.
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