Not going to get into another Israel debate with you and chasing historical land rights back ot Adam and Eve. Israel is not a threat to western society. Islam is.Dilbert_X wrote:
Like I said, look up the history of Israel.lowing wrote:
Israel defending its right to exist is not the same goal as Islamic terrorism
They didn't have a 'right' to exist before they existed thats for sure, and they did not have a right to use terrorism to create themselves either.
Thats funny.lowing wrote:
Nothing equal about fighting to survive and fighting to expand your will over the unwilling.
The Zionists weren't fighting for 'existence' then any more than Islam is now.
They were fighting to expand their will over the unwilling, ie the Palestinians.
But it is a threat to Eastern society, hence they're fucked off with Israel and the West.Israel is not a threat to western society.
Still don't understand how you can ignore this.
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Fuck Israel
nope, I am a meat and potatoes kinda guy, with no PC additives.Uzique wrote:
Lowing is 1:1 (Hons) political science and theology double-major and his alma mater is christ's college cambridge
My opinions are formed by what affects me, how it affects me, who is affecting me.
Israel does not affect me, Islam does.
Ireland bullshit does not affect me, Islam does.
i can tell you're a meat an potatoes kinda guy, you're narrowminded and dumb as hell
"islam are fighting for the downfall of western civilization"
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"islam are fighting for the downfall of western civilization"
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Ummmm, you have looked at a map of the ME right? and just how BIG ( small) Israel is? Hardly an expansionist mindset they got there. they take land that was ceased during war, war started by Islamic and Arab nations. Land used against them. spoils of war, nothing more, and now you wanna claim, its unfairness. Leave them the fuck alone, and they won't kick the shit out of you at every turn. Pretty simple concept really.Dilbert_X wrote:
Thats funny.lowing wrote:
Nothing equal about fighting to survive and fighting to expand your will over the unwilling.
The Zionists weren't fighting for 'existence' then any more than Islam is now.
They were fighting to expand their will over the unwilling, ie the Palestinians.But it is a threat to Eastern society, hence they're fucked off with Israel and the West.Israel is not a threat to western society.
Still don't understand how you can ignore this.
What is a threat to Eastern society is the fact that they lose every time they try and start shit with Israel. Leave them the fuck alone. Many olive branches has been extended by Israel only to be met with rocket attacks.
Yup it is, your denial and disgust not with standing. Even Islamic leadership admit this, why don't you?Uzique wrote:
i can tell you're a meat an potatoes kinda guy, you're narrowminded and dumb as hell
"islam are fighting for the downfall of western civilization"
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im not in denial of anything, i live and coexist peacefully and socially alongside many muslims in the city of london
it's like erm, that "personal experience" you rave on about so much. maybe islamists were a little hostile to you when you were profiteering off the militaristic shitting-in-their-mouths in their own home-country... but over here in london, no notable tensions. no more tension than you'd find xenophobically in the christian communities.
it's like erm, that "personal experience" you rave on about so much. maybe islamists were a little hostile to you when you were profiteering off the militaristic shitting-in-their-mouths in their own home-country... but over here in london, no notable tensions. no more tension than you'd find xenophobically in the christian communities.
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Except it is an expansionist mindset, since they aren't allowed to keep land gained in war. They are continuing to steal more and more of the West Bank too.lowing wrote:
Hardly an expansionist mindset they got there. they take land that was ceased during war, war started by Islamic and Arab nations.
And they are expansionist since they started from zero and expanded quite a lot from that.
Fuck Israel
I just flew on a plane with lots of Muslims and guess what, no one tried to shoot me, bomb me or take me hostage.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
How does it affect you? Oh yes, you make money out of it.lowing wrote:
Ireland bullshit does not affect me, Islam does.
Fuck Israel
Is this the same London that is about to get a terrorist attack, or the same London that has disrupted several others?Uzique wrote:
im not in denial of anything, i live and coexist peacefully and socially alongside many muslims in the city of london
it's like erm, that "personal experience" you rave on about so much. maybe islamists were a little hostile to you when you were profiteering off the militaristic shitting-in-their-mouths in their own home-country... but over here in london, no notable tensions. no more tension than you'd find xenophobically in the christian communities.
I "co-exist" with Muslims in America as well, some of them are the same Muslims that celebrated the Ft Hood massacre. The same Muslims that decree that they are Muslim first above all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … nsion.html
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/12/84707.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ … tension.do
http://exposingislam.blogspot.com/2009/ … tests.html
no tension in the UK huh? Again, get back with me when you are over your denial.
i like how you seem to know life in london better than someone who lives in london.lowing wrote:
Is this the same London that is about to get a terrorist attack, or the same London that has disrupted several others?Uzique wrote:
im not in denial of anything, i live and coexist peacefully and socially alongside many muslims in the city of london
it's like erm, that "personal experience" you rave on about so much. maybe islamists were a little hostile to you when you were profiteering off the militaristic shitting-in-their-mouths in their own home-country... but over here in london, no notable tensions. no more tension than you'd find xenophobically in the christian communities.
I "co-exist" with Muslims in America as well, some of them are the same Muslims that celebrated the Ft Hood massacre. The same Muslims that decree that they are Muslim first above all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … nsion.html
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/12/84707.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ … tension.do
http://exposingislam.blogspot.com/2009/ … tests.html
no tension in the UK huh? Again, get back with me when you are over your denial.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
Sincwe when can you not keep land gained in a war. The allies didn't HAVE to give Japan back OR Germany.Dilbert_X wrote:
Except it is an expansionist mindset, since they aren't allowed to keep land gained in war. They are continuing to steal more and more of the West Bank too.lowing wrote:
Hardly an expansionist mindset they got there. they take land that was ceased during war, war started by Islamic and Arab nations.
And they are expansionist since they started from zero and expanded quite a lot from that.
So did the people who were on the planes before the 911 attacks, when the terrorists were planning the attack. what is your point?Spark wrote:
I just flew on a plane with lots of Muslims and guess what, no one tried to shoot me, bomb me or take me hostage.
I make money from the IRA? If I do I must have a tidy nest egg built up since I have never touched it.Dilbert_X wrote:
How does it affect you? Oh yes, you make money out of it.lowing wrote:
Ireland bullshit does not affect me, Islam does.
I don't, how well do you know life in Israel or Palestine? Yet you and the other apologists, seem to be long on opinion. Why can't I?Spark wrote:
i like how you seem to know life in london better than someone who lives in london.lowing wrote:
Is this the same London that is about to get a terrorist attack, or the same London that has disrupted several others?Uzique wrote:
im not in denial of anything, i live and coexist peacefully and socially alongside many muslims in the city of london
it's like erm, that "personal experience" you rave on about so much. maybe islamists were a little hostile to you when you were profiteering off the militaristic shitting-in-their-mouths in their own home-country... but over here in london, no notable tensions. no more tension than you'd find xenophobically in the christian communities.
I "co-exist" with Muslims in America as well, some of them are the same Muslims that celebrated the Ft Hood massacre. The same Muslims that decree that they are Muslim first above all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … nsion.html
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/12/84707.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ … tension.do
http://exposingislam.blogspot.com/2009/ … tests.html
no tension in the UK huh? Again, get back with me when you are over your denial.
Since the foundation of the UN.lowing wrote:
Sincwe when can you not keep land gained in a war.
Duh Islam...I make money from the IRA? If I do I must have a tidy nest egg built up since I have never touched it.
Fuck Israel
Okay ... so Islam goal is kinda like the US then ... good to get that clearifiedlowing wrote:
Islam is not fighting for existance, they are fighting for control and the downfall of western civilization as it exists.Varegg wrote:
What does it matter what the goal is if the methods used are equally terroristic lowing?
When the jews fights for its excistence it's okay but when Muslims do the same it's terrorism?
Nothing equal about fighting to survive and fighting to expand your will over the unwilling.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
Really? and how much has the map of the worlds borders changed since then?Dilbert_X wrote:
Since the foundation of the UN.lowing wrote:
Sincwe when can you not keep land gained in a war.Duh Islam...I make money from the IRA? If I do I must have a tidy nest egg built up since I have never touched it.
Also, I'm sorry, if you are going to continue to try and beat me over the head with a club, and I take it from you, you ain't getting it back. I don't blame Israel form taking that club away from its enemies.
when was the last time you saw me post in any kind of strong argumentative manner in an israel/palestine thread? oh wait...lowing wrote:
I don't, how well do you know life in Israel or Palestine? Yet you and the other apologists, seem to be long on opinion. Why can't I?Spark wrote:
i like how you seem to know life in london better than someone who lives in london.lowing wrote:
Is this the same London that is about to get a terrorist attack, or the same London that has disrupted several others?
I "co-exist" with Muslims in America as well, some of them are the same Muslims that celebrated the Ft Hood massacre. The same Muslims that decree that they are Muslim first above all.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … nsion.html
http://www.alarabiya.net/articles/2009/09/12/84707.html
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/ … tension.do
http://exposingislam.blogspot.com/2009/ … tests.html
no tension in the UK huh? Again, get back with me when you are over your denial.
besides which. i don't see how this is of any relevance at all considering that the point of issue here is how you can claim to have any expertise on london's society.
and i haven't worked out what i'm meant to be apologising for yet, can you enlighten me on that? by the way "we fucked up" is not an apology, a distinction a certain conservative prime minister and many of his conservative brethren were very eager to make.
The paradox is only a conflict between reality and your feeling what reality ought to be.
~ Richard Feynman
~ Richard Feynman
I dunno, a major reason why the Mumbai attack was so brutal was because the terrorists were so well equipped. It was basically an amphibious assault carried out from Pakistan. They didn't have to go through airports, or smuggle guns in, or try get guns from within the country (which would turn up the heat considerably). It was a boat trip. Or something along the lines of taking some boats from Pakistan, then hijacking an Indian fishing boat, killing the crew and then going down to Mumbai.
They wouldn't be able to do something like that to London. It would be hard getting in so many terrorists so well armed all at the same time to have that effect of an all out surprise assault on the city. That was one of the main reasons why there was so much confusion, they went in, attacked loads of locations, holed themselves up in hotels, all of that.
If they did somehow manage to get into London and secure loads of weapons and explosives, it might be pretty bad and cause alot of chaos. Especially if they manage to create hostage situations. Even if our security forces are better prepared/equipped we'd probably be hard pressed in dealing with an attack like that... SAS or not
They wouldn't be able to do something like that to London. It would be hard getting in so many terrorists so well armed all at the same time to have that effect of an all out surprise assault on the city. That was one of the main reasons why there was so much confusion, they went in, attacked loads of locations, holed themselves up in hotels, all of that.
If they did somehow manage to get into London and secure loads of weapons and explosives, it might be pretty bad and cause alot of chaos. Especially if they manage to create hostage situations. Even if our security forces are better prepared/equipped we'd probably be hard pressed in dealing with an attack like that... SAS or not
Sorry, Kuwait and Saudi asked for US intervention in dealing with Iraq, and the war started by Islamic extermists has the fight taken to them. What else are you talking about?Varegg wrote:
Okay ... so Islam goal is kinda like the US then ... good to get that clearifiedlowing wrote:
Islam is not fighting for existance, they are fighting for control and the downfall of western civilization as it exists.Varegg wrote:
What does it matter what the goal is if the methods used are equally terroristic lowing?
When the jews fights for its excistence it's okay but when Muslims do the same it's terrorism?
Nothing equal about fighting to survive and fighting to expand your will over the unwilling.
Lowing i hate to bring up a D&ST cliche but your fucking sources suck
'this is london'
'exposing islam at fucking blogspot.com'
and that telegraph article is hardly insidious, is it? you're inferring what you want from the article because you're an islamophobe.
yes i live in the same london that's supposedly going to be under attack, thanks to paranoiac fear-mongering bullshit that we've had to put up with boringly ever since 9/11. who takes it seriously? load of utter tosh. the muslims i meet everyday and socialize with in london are no different to anybody else. your world-view is fucked up, dude. don't tell me how the 'reality' of things are where i live. i dont prescribe to you the social conditions in hicksville, or whatever narrowminded backwater you live in. give it a rest.
'this is london'
'exposing islam at fucking blogspot.com'
and that telegraph article is hardly insidious, is it? you're inferring what you want from the article because you're an islamophobe.
yes i live in the same london that's supposedly going to be under attack, thanks to paranoiac fear-mongering bullshit that we've had to put up with boringly ever since 9/11. who takes it seriously? load of utter tosh. the muslims i meet everyday and socialize with in london are no different to anybody else. your world-view is fucked up, dude. don't tell me how the 'reality' of things are where i live. i dont prescribe to you the social conditions in hicksville, or whatever narrowminded backwater you live in. give it a rest.
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You have a faulty short time memory lowing?
You said:
You said:
When was the last time the US fought to survive?lowing wrote:
Nothing equal about fighting to survive and fighting to expand your will over the unwilling.
Wait behind the line ..............................................................
bush doctrine... pre-emptive unilateral force blah blah blah.
hick bullshit
hick bullshit
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