BF2S Forums Wow, someone tried to blow up a plane (Yes, a muslim)

Spark wrote:

Mekstizzle wrote:

I don't know why they keep equating it all to religion, Islam itself probably had nothing to do, or very little, with it at all. Just like Christianity had more or less nothing to do with the Industrial Revolution or things like that. Just face the facts. And if you really think that some places were just stupid nonsense before Islam came in and showed them the light and brought all these scientific advancements, well there's nothing I can do to change that around really, it's just how you think. I'm not gonna sit here and accept your nonsense about religion being the force behind scientific advancement.

You probably have no idea of pre-Islamic civilisations anyway, in your book the world was nothing before Islam came around. Fuck that shit. Why don't you go ahead and educate yourself of the world before Islam came and took over half of it and then claimed all sorts of technological/scientific advancements from its colonies to itself.

Islam in this context means much more than 'religion'.

Spark wrote:

in this context

lowing wrote:

Beduin wrote:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid … in+Europe#

Many Muslims look back at Muslim Spain with pride. But Jews also call it their "golden era".

Spain became part of the Islamic world at the beginning of the eighth century. Under Muslims, Spain became the center of civilization. Although many local Spaniards embraced Islam, Christians and Jews were free in all aspects of their lives. The Muslims respected their religion and institutions. The result was the birth of the first true cosmopolitan culture in the West.

Christians studied alongside Muslim scholars to such a degree that in 854, a Christian named Alvaro of Cordoba complained that these students were forgetting their own religion and culture.

The Muslims and Christians of Spain did not live in their ghettos, isolated and not cooperating in various aspects of daily life together.

It was in Spain that Aristotle's works on physics and natural history were translated into Arabic from Greek. Historians generally acknowledge that the Muslim world proved to be a major conduit of ancient scholarship into the West, especially through Muslim Spain.

It wasn't just Muslims and Christians who thrived in Spain, though. Jews, who were reviled and hated elsewhere, were not only living safely and peacefully alongside non-Jews in Muslim Spain, they were learning and contributing to its culture and knowledge which Muslim scholars had established. Al-Andalus was a key center of Jewish life during the early Middle Ages, producing important scholars and one of the most stable and wealthy Jewish communities.

But this success in wealth, knowledge and co-existence came to end in a violent and very sad way.

As Christian Crusaders of Spain expelled Muslims, civilization that took centuries to build was destroyed. Muslims and Jews were either expelled or forced to convert to Christianity. Millions died as tolerance was replaced by the Spanish Inquisition. A suspected Muslim was to be killed for the smallest act resembling Islamic tradition - such as taking a bath on Friday.

Science in medieval Islam


-Educate and Cultivate yourself.

Happy new year

from your article,

"This article's factual accuracy is disputed. Please see the relevant discussion on the talk page."

I will leave it up to you to decide if you are going to read the disputes.

Happy New Year to you as well.

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

Actually I find it fair

http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/Pages … uslims.htm

from the same site.

I guess you failed, I asked you to challengethe material, and yet again it is the source you go for. wouldn't challenging the material be far easier and credible if it were wrong and you showed us how it was wrong?

just because you do not like the information does not mean it is wrong or biased. Truth can hurt.

of course you find it fair - you agree with it! Or is that just you doing what you accuse me of doing? Whatever, don't give a shit really...

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ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

you are not the first Islamic apologist that refused to address the information provided.

hahahah. I'm no Islamic apologist. I think there are plenty of Christians and Jews who are as idiotic as many Muslims. but I also know Jews, Christians AND Muslims who are really nice people, even though they're all stupid enough to believe in God. See, unlike you, I don't divide the world into good/bad, Muslim/everyone else, with us/against us, etc.

Last edited by lowing (2010-01-01 11:37:17)

ruisleipa wrote:

lowing wrote:

you are not the first Islamic apologist that refused to address the information provided.

hahahah. I'm no Islamic apologist. I think there are plenty of Christians and Jews who are as idiotic as many Muslims. but I also know Jews, Christians AND Muslims who are really nice people, even though they're all stupid enough to believe in God. See, unlike you, I don't divide the world into good/bad, Muslim/everyone else, with us/against us, etc.

lowing wrote:

eleven bravo wrote:

lowing wrote:

Gee, now if only you could possibly find anything I have said to support your post that I am I racist.

Im going to use your overused phrase


If it walks like a duck, talks like a duck and looks like a duck, you got a racist duck

again, if you have any sort of postal evidence that I am a racist, please provide it. If not, you are nothing more than a typical liberal who can not form an argument without using your typical liberal dismissals, denials, and re-directions. You can not back up your argument or your claim with any factual evidence and toe to toe debate.

lowing wrote:

I can't help it if you refuse to examine your own posts.

cpt.fass1 wrote:

So with all the money we spend funding all these organizations, they aren't preventing anything?

Also the "take the fight to them" thing really worked out for us huh?

cpt.fass1 wrote:

Well the CIA, FBI and Homeland security that was recently set up. We get two attacks recently, New York and this. But we're spending billions on making things like this not happen.

So what are we spending the money on?