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Kmar do you think the universe is infinite or finite?
you mean "we" as in physically?, yea. Have we looked deep for signs of any type of galactic colonization? yea.FloppY_ wrote:
well we haven't been outside our own solar system yet... and we live on one of the two planets where life as we know it could exist around SOL and the other is a wasteland we have examined,,,Kmarion wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
tl;drIt should be likely that we have found some sort of life by now with that abundance of opportunity for it out there. .. according to the Fermi paradox.Kmarion wrote:
Where is ET?
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it is expanding.. the force from the big bang is still beating gravitational force. In fact there is evidence that it is expanding faster.. which is really perplexing.Dauntless wrote:
Kmar do you think the universe is infinite or finite?
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It's saturday and im sober, if none of you hit me ill hit myself out of shame.
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but what is it expanding into? how can nothing just exist?Kmarion wrote:
it is expanding.. the force from the big bang is still beating gravitational force. In fact there is evidence that it is expanding faster.. which is really perplexing.Dauntless wrote:
Kmar do you think the universe is infinite or finite?
We do not know. My personal theory? Whatever lies beyond the edge is more massive than what is inside. That seems to make sense from what we know about gravitational laws. (faster as it get closer to the edge.. event horizon)
We will have more answers when we can better explain dark matter.
We will have more answers when we can better explain dark matter.
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Yeah ok.
With the Fermi paradox, I think there's a flaw in the idea that they're assuming life is evolving towards intelligence which I don't think is true. Intelligence isn't an easy thing to evolve.
With the Fermi paradox, I think there's a flaw in the idea that they're assuming life is evolving towards intelligence which I don't think is true. Intelligence isn't an easy thing to evolve.
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If there is a flaw it's in assuming the Earth is average.Dauntless wrote:
Yeah ok.
With the Fermi paradox, I think there's a flaw in the idea that they're assuming life is evolving towards intelligence which I don't think is true. Intelligence isn't an easy thing to evolve.
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How do you fall asleep
Just for once I'd like to get into my bed and not waste 1-4 hours doing nothing
Just for once I'd like to get into my bed and not waste 1-4 hours doing nothing
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How do you fall asleep
Just for once I'd like to get into my bed and not waste 1-4 hours doing nothing
Yeah no
Fuck, I am dead tired right now but I know that there's no way I'm going to be asleep for a while yet
Fuck, I am dead tired right now but I know that there's no way I'm going to be asleep for a while yet
i need to shower but i'm just too damn tired to get up and do it
Yeah that too, I mean we're in the perfect spot relative to its star for organic life whereas most planets aren't. Even with the size of the universe there can't be that many planets in that position, and even if there are it doesn't mean intelligent life will automatically evolve.Kmarion wrote:
If there is a flaw it's in assuming the Earth is average.Dauntless wrote:
Yeah ok.
With the Fermi paradox, I think there's a flaw in the idea that they're assuming life is evolving towards intelligence which I don't think is true. Intelligence isn't an easy thing to evolve.
Yes, but how do we know that we're not the foremost among species?Kmarion wrote:
FloppY_ wrote:
tl;drKmarion wrote:
The Fermi paradox is a conflict between an argument of scale and probability and a lack of evidence. A more complete definition could be stated thus:The apparent size and age of the universe suggests that many technologically advanced extraterrestrial civilizations ought to exist.
However, this hypothesis seems inconsistent with the lack of observational evidence to support it.
The first aspect of the paradox, "the argument by scale", is a function of the raw numbers involved: there are an estimated 250 billion (2.5 x 1011) stars in the Milky Way and 70 sextillion (7 x 1022) in the visible universe.[4] Even if intelligent life occurs on only a minuscule percentage of planets around these stars, there should still be a great number of civilizations extant in the Milky Way galaxy alone. This argument also assumes the mediocrity principle, which states that Earth is not special, but merely a typical planet, subject to the same laws, effects, and likely outcomes as any other world.
The second cornerstone of the Fermi paradox is a rejoinder to the argument by scale: given intelligent life's ability to overcome scarcity, and its tendency to colonize new habitats, it seems likely that any advanced civilization would seek out new resources and colonize first their own star system, and then the surrounding star systems. Since there is no conclusive or certifiable evidence on Earth or elsewhere in the known universe of other intelligent life after 13.7 billion years of the universe's history, it may be assumed that intelligent life is rare or that our assumptions about the general behavior of intelligent species are flawed.
The Fermi paradox can be asked in two ways. The first is, "Why are no aliens or their artifacts physically here?" If interstellar travel is possible, even the "slow" kind nearly within the reach of Earth technology, then it would only take from 5 million to 50 million years to colonize the galaxy.[5] This is a relatively small amount of time on a geological scale, let alone a cosmological one. Since there are many stars older than the sun, or since intelligent life might have evolved earlier elsewhere, the question then becomes why the galaxy has not been colonized already. Even if colonization is impractical or undesirable to all alien civilizations, large scale exploration of the galaxy is still possible; the means of exploration and theoretical probes involved are discussed extensively below. However, no signs of either colonization or exploration have been generally acknowledged.
The argument above may not hold for the universe as a whole, since travel times may well explain the lack of physical presence on Earth of alien inhabitants of far away galaxies. However, the question then becomes "Why do we see no signs of intelligent life?" since a sufficiently advanced civilization could potentially be observable over a significant fraction of the size of the observable universe.[7] Even if such civilizations are rare, the scale argument indicates they should exist somewhere at some point during the history of the universe, and since they could be detected from far away over a considerable period of time, many more potential sites for their origin are within range of our observation. However, no incontrovertible signs of such civilizations have been detected.It should be likely that we have found some sort of life by now with that abundance of opportunity for it out there. .. according to the Fermi paradox.Kmarion wrote:
Where is ET?
Someone had to get into space the first, for all we know the Commies could have been the first people in the galaxy to launch an artificial satellite.
Or that it has evolved already, been here, came and gone. We are just a blip in time. Have you seen the show "Life after people"? Our existence would be almost undetectable after a very short time following our extinction. Consider our planet, Earth Mark 1.
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Yeah but again, I don't think evolution always means it's bound to produce intelligent beings. Evolution doesn't have a goal, it just happens.Kmarion wrote:
Or that it has evolved already.
This is of course a possibility. The odds are out there...Doctor Strangelove wrote:
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Yes, but how do we know that we're not the foremost among species?
Someone had to get into space the first, for all we know the Commies could have been the first people in the galaxy to launch an artificial satellite.
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Life has the goal to survive, as a species. Humans gained their intelligence out of necessity. We certainly aren't the biggest, baddest predators on the planet. Eventually the mind will triumph over muscle and claws. It seems like a natural evolutionary step to me.Dauntless wrote:
Yeah but again, I don't think evolution always means it's bound to produce intelligent beings. Evolution doesn't have a goal, it just happens.Kmarion wrote:
Or that it has evolved already.
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Hi guys how's y'all? I'm hammered and postin from my iPod is quite difficult