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ruisleipa wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Is that what you got out of my reply? It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with an annoyance at the free reign the internet has given to every idiot with a computer to bombard us with their stupidity and half truths. If you weren't such an idiot you would've seen it for what it is and wouldn't have bothered posting it and wasting my time with it's drivel.
whereas everything you say is the gospel truth! Yeah right! I guess that gets another 'lol'.

Come on, you don't need to resort to calling me an idiot. You waste your own time mate, not me! I thought it was interesting. Like everyone says, if you think it's a waste of time, DON'T READ IT. And certainly don't bother commenting on it. Or, navigate away from the page, put your keyboard down and back away...slowly.
Good call. I won't open up any more threads started by you. Thanks for the heads up.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
ruisleipa
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Alright! Cool.

I remember fondly that one time when we agreed on that thread...do you remember...those halcyon days of yore?
Jay
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ruisleipa wrote:

Alright! Cool.

I remember fondly that one time when we agreed on that thread...do you remember...those halcyon days of yore?
Bring something to the table besides obviously biased articles written by a high school kid with very limited subject knowledge and it might just happen again.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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lowing wrote:

I was wondering if this was the same US that is going to spend more than any other country both nationally and privately for the relief of Haiti.

Ya know, just like we do for every nation that has ever experienced such disasters.
Well rui thinks the US is doing it because of all the oil in Haiti ya know. There's oil there right?

Everyone just likes to blame the US without looking at the themselves.
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ruisleipa
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JohnG@lt wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Alright! Cool.

I remember fondly that one time when we agreed on that thread...do you remember...those halcyon days of yore?
Bring something to the table besides obviously biased articles written by a high school kid with very limited subject knowledge and it might just happen again.
hang on...I thought you weren't gonna post?

Couldn't resist eh?

Well, no-one's showed me why this is a biased article beyond the fact they disagree with it, so...whateva!
ruisleipa
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Cybargs wrote:

lowing wrote:

I was wondering if this was the same US that is going to spend more than any other country both nationally and privately for the relief of Haiti.

Ya know, just like we do for every nation that has ever experienced such disasters.
Well rui thinks the US is doing it because of all the oil in Haiti ya know. There's oil there right?

Everyone just likes to blame the US without looking at the themselves.
I think it's good they're helping the Haitians. Why? I dunno. Maybe Obama really IS a nice guy?!
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ruisleipa wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

ruisleipa wrote:

Is that what you got out of my reply? It has nothing to do with paranoia and everything to do with an annoyance at the free reign the internet has given to every idiot with a computer to bombard us with their stupidity and half truths. If you weren't such an idiot you would've seen it for what it is and wouldn't have bothered posting it and wasting my time with it's drivel.
whereas everything you say is the gospel truth! Yeah right! I guess that gets another 'lol'.

Come on, you don't need to resort to calling me an idiot. You waste your own time mate, not me! I thought it was interesting. Like everyone says, if you think it's a waste of time, DON'T READ IT. And certainly don't bother commenting on it. Or, navigate away from the page, put your keyboard down and back away...slowly.
Most of what you post is calling people names that do not agree with you.
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CC-Marley wrote:

Most of what you post is calling people names that do not agree with you.
Not true!
Jay
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Fine you want line by line?

ruisleipa wrote:

The average American consumes more than his or her weight in products each day, fuelling a global culture of excess that is emerging as the biggest threat to the planet
Let's see. I'm an average American. So far today I have consumed two eggs, two pieces of sausage and two pancakes. I had the Wall Street Journal delivered to my doorstep. Since I weigh 280 lbs we're at perhaps 140th of my weight so far. If you want to include the hog that was slaughtered to make my sausage and the chicken that was cooped to give me my eggs and the wheat that was harvested to give me my pancakes and the coffee that was farmed to give me my coffee and the tree that was cut down to give me my newspaper etc... it still doesn't add up because they weren't killed or harvested solely for my use. Nor were any of them non-renewable resources. The rest of my day looks very similar to what my morning has entailed.

The second half of the sentence, ignoring the obvious misspelled word, is nothing more than drivel designed to incite and scare the reader.

I will put all future misspellings in bold italics as well.


Erik Assadourian, the project director who led a team of 35 behind the report, said: "Until we recognise that our environmental problems, from climate change to deforestation to species loss, are driven by unsustainable habits, we will not be able to solve the ecological crises that threaten to wash over civilisation."
Aside from the fuel that I burned driving around to get my breakfast this morning and to drop my gf off at work, none of the items that I've 'consumed' today are nonrenewable. No rain forest was chopped down because the piece of pig I consumed was more than likely from the Carolinas. The tree that was chopped down to make my newspaper came from a tree farm in the US. Also designed to incite and scare the reader.

The world's population is burning through the planet's resources at a reckless rate, the US thinktank said. In the last decade, consumption of goods and services rose 28% to $30.5tn (£18.8bn).
Oooh, lump goods and services together, good on ya. What is a service and what resources does it use to perform a service? Those pesky computer users! How dare they! How dare people use the services of a bank or a hotel or (god forbid!) an auto mechanic! Also, conveniently ignore the fact that the only non-renewable resource this planet has is fossil fuels. Minerals? Check. Forest products? Check. Animal products? Check.

The consumer culture is no longer a mostly American habit but is spreading across the planet. Over the last 50 years, excess has been adopted as a symbol of success in developing countries from Brazil to India to China, the report said.
How dare people not want to live in caves or drink a Coke. How dare they!

China this week overtook the US as the world's top car market. It is already the biggest producer of greenhouse gas emissions.
Yes, we should force the Chinese to be poor forever instead so they don't burn stuff. Never mind that they were burning wood for fuel instead of oil and that wood produces greenhouse gases as well. Oil, and oil companies are the devil.

Such trends were not a natural consequence of economic growth, the report said, but the result of deliberate efforts by businesses to win over consumers.
Morons. Economic growth and the creation of wealth is wholly tied to the amount that a population consumes. The more a population can buy, the wealthier it is. If people were limited to a few purchases a year they would be poor.

Products such as the hamburger – dismissed as an unwholesome food for the poor at the beginning of the 20th century – and bottled water are now commonplace.
Yeah, poor cows. We should all be vegans eating organic produce only instead. Completely ignore the fact that our planet can only sustain maybe half of it's current population using wholly organic means of production and that the soil is depleted quickly. And shit, bottled water is evil because it's better that people drink from the local river polluted with chemicals and animal feces. It's better for them, makes their immune system strong.

The average western family spends more on their pet than is spent by a human in Bangladesh.
Yeah? Maybe in actual dollar amount, but the cost of living is a lot cheaper in Bangladesh.

The report did note encouraging signs of a shift away from the high spend culture. It said school meals programmes marked greater efforts to encourage healthier eating habits among children. The younger generation was also more aware of their impact on the environment.
Cool. They've managed to brainwash kids in the very same way that they bash parents for taking their kids to Sunday school and religions for trying to do the same with prayer in school and they bash nationalism for having the national anthem and pledge of allegiance played before classes start. Of course, it's the parents job to teach their kid healthy eating habits and to be more environmentally aware but I'm glad they take it upon themselves to indoctrinate youth to their own beliefs.

There has to be a wholesale transformation of values and attitudes, the report said. At current rates of consumption, the world needs to erect 24 wind turbines an hour to produce enough energy to replace fossil fuel.
Sounds groovy to me. Wind turbines are inefficient, the worlds level of wealth is rising and the population is increasing. Couple the three together and this is nothing more than a throwaway statement designed to incite and anger the reader.


"We've seen some encouraging efforts to combat the world's climate crisis in the past few years," said Assadourian. "But making policy and technology changes while keeping cultures centred on consumerism and growth can only go so far.

"If we don't shift our very culture there will be new crises we have to face. Ultimately, consumerism is not going to be viable as the world population grows by 2bn and as more countries grow in economic power."

In the preface to the report, Worldwatch Institute's president, Christopher Flavin, writes: "As the world struggles to recover from the most serious global economic crisis since the Great Depression, we have an unprecedented opportunity to turn away from consumerism. In the end, the human instinct for survival must triumph over the urge to consume at any cost."
More apocalyptic drivel. I'm done with this trash.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
jord
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"US cult of Greed". What a lame statement, gaining financial wealth is an international goal of most people.
Jay
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jord wrote:

"US cult of Greed". What a lame statement, gaining financial wealth is an international goal of most people.
But it's so much cooler to take a low paying job and play it off like you're doing the world a favor by consuming less.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
jord
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JohnG@lt wrote:

jord wrote:

"US cult of Greed". What a lame statement, gaining financial wealth is an international goal of most people.
But it's so much cooler to take a low paying job and play it off like you're doing the world a favor by consuming less.
I drive a 1.2 litre hatchback, so I think you'll find my high Horse is indeed a Stallion comparred to the reporters donkey.

Edit: I drive a 1.2ltr to save the environment, not because I can't afford the insurance on anything higher

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JohnG@lt wrote:

Let's see. I'm an average American. So far today I have consumed two eggs, two pieces of sausage and two pancakes. I had the Wall Street Journal delivered to my doorstep.
Sounds like a tasty breakfast.

I agree we consume too much, in a unhealthy sense. Most of the world, for the most part, spends more than it makes and has to borrow that money. That kind of spending can be wasteful, but what does the OP suggest? We cut back a little, or completely change our way off life? Some of these environmentalists don't think we could save the Earth unless a good number of us were dead.
Jay
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Phrozenbot wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

Let's see. I'm an average American. So far today I have consumed two eggs, two pieces of sausage and two pancakes. I had the Wall Street Journal delivered to my doorstep.
Sounds like a tasty breakfast.

I agree we consume too much, in a unhealthy sense. Most of the world, for the most part, spends more than it makes and has to borrow that money. That kind of spending can be wasteful, but what does the OP suggest? We cut back a little, or completely change our way off life? Some of these environmentalists don't think we could save the Earth unless a good number of us were dead.
Meh, the credit issue actually lowers consumption because they're spending money paying off interest that they would otherwise be able to spend elsewhere. In this regard, credit cards actually have a negative impact on economic growth.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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lowing wrote:

I was wondering if this was the same US that is going to spend more than any other country both nationally and privately for the relief of Haiti.

Ya know, just like we do for every nation that has ever experienced such disasters.
buying yourselves out of a guilty conscience is awesome.
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I think if people saved more and bought things upfront more, you would see people spend their money much more carefully. That's one step for people to become more responsible in my opinion.
Jay
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..teddy..jimmy wrote:

lowing wrote:

I was wondering if this was the same US that is going to spend more than any other country both nationally and privately for the relief of Haiti.

Ya know, just like we do for every nation that has ever experienced such disasters.
buying yourselves out of a guilty conscience is awesome.
Why would we have a guilty conscience?
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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I say stick a fat consumer tax on major polluters...that'll teach you merican'scum yarrrr
..teddy..jimmy
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JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

lowing wrote:

I was wondering if this was the same US that is going to spend more than any other country both nationally and privately for the relief of Haiti.

Ya know, just like we do for every nation that has ever experienced such disasters.
buying yourselves out of a guilty conscience is awesome.
Why would we have a guilty conscience?
For polluting the absolute shit out of my earth...well atleast you should do.
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land of the free?
Tu Stultus Es
Jay
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Phrozenbot wrote:

I think if people saved more and bought things upfront more, you would see people spend their money much more carefully. That's one step for people to become more responsible in my opinion.
It is. But that wasn't really my point. If they saved up their money they would have more purchasing power than they do by using credit cards and paying interest. Right now that interest is just going to credit card companies and their shareholders instead who won't necessarily spend it. Granted, that money is lent out again to someone else but I'm just not a huge fan of rent seeking businesses like credit card companies as a whole.

The people have the means to enrich themselves if they behave conservatively with their money and have the self discipline to hold off on purchases until they can make them without having to pay interest. Sadly, we live in a society that wants everything now now now. Those of us with self discipline are much better off in the long run while those that lack it have no one to blame but themselves.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
Jay
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..teddy..jimmy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

buying yourselves out of a guilty conscience is awesome.
Why would we have a guilty conscience?
For polluting the absolute shit out of my earth...well atleast you should do.
Right. Your country is guilt free.
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
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JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Why would we have a guilty conscience?
For polluting the absolute shit out of my earth...well atleast you should do.
Right. Your country is guilt free.
Not at all but the amount of pollution from your country's consumption is absolutely ridiculous. Understandable that you're a super power, it's essential to your economic superiority bla bla bla but your government has done next to fuck all. My country on the other hand...
Jay
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..teddy..jimmy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:


For polluting the absolute shit out of my earth...well atleast you should do.
Right. Your country is guilt free.
Not at all but the amount of pollution from your country's consumption is absolutely ridiculous. Understandable that you're a super power, it's essential to your economic superiority bla bla bla but your government has done next to fuck all. My country on the other hand...
Your country is entirely supported by its national oil industry. Once that oil is gone you can say goodbye to all of your social programs. Just sayin...
"Ah, you miserable creatures! You who think that you are so great! You who judge humanity to be so small! You who wish to reform everything! Why don't you reform yourselves? That task would be sufficient enough."
-Frederick Bastiat
..teddy..jimmy
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JohnG@lt wrote:

..teddy..jimmy wrote:

JohnG@lt wrote:


Right. Your country is guilt free.
Not at all but the amount of pollution from your country's consumption is absolutely ridiculous. Understandable that you're a super power, it's essential to your economic superiority bla bla bla but your government has done next to fuck all. My country on the other hand...
Your country is entirely supported by its national oil industry. Once that oil is gone you can say goodbye to all of your social programs. Just sayin...
Gee don't you just love a healthy (massive) oil fund and hefty gas supply...wooohooo

...and like I said we pollute but our levels are nowhere near as excessive per capita than America's...especially since our main energy supply is hydro

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